Dub or sub

Kockorzo said:
The producers know best— voice-acting is a art-form transcending ordinary literary means and augmenting a story experience. Watching an unoriginal, adulterated version of anything over the authentic material is an insult to the creators. You should be ashamed of yourself.

SoulessAnime said:


"Hey kids! shut that damn pokemon off, this ain't the way the creator intended to watch it. Y'all best do this art justice and watchit in 4:3 ratio with subtitles"

also dubs have producers as well so that doesn't even make sense. I do think 90% of the time subs sound/fit better... it's not defacing eternal art to watch a dub though. Every so often they're superior but since a Japanese person had an idea for the story it's in Japanese even though English fits better (FMAB and Baccano off the top of my head. Naruto is pretty great as well, especially since it means kids'll watch it)

You make it sound horrific, but if the voices are good and the writers do a good job with line translation there's no issue. Same way there's no issue when Japanese people watch Disney movies, or that Spiderverse movie (which has a fantastic Japanese dub) in Japanese.
Live action I think it's much harder to pull off and I think almost always has lower budget so I would never watch one dubbed... but if people enjoy it I'm not gonna tell them they're ruining "an art form that transcends ordinary literary means" because that sounds like something a pretentious asshole would say. It's just not that deep dude

Kockorzo said:

So what you’re saying is that some handful of anime out of a whirlpool of tens of thousands have in your opinion a better English Dub voice cast and therefore all I say is baseless —devoid of meaning— sophistry? Since a philistine like you does not care about the integrity of an art-form— all I can try to persuade you is put emphasis on the facts of Japanese being a more expressive language than English, reading being superior to listening and that you’d find an enhanced experience out of an anime if you actually watched it in lens of the culture it represents through the Japanese Dubbing. The fact that you threw in the red-herring of ‘English Dub in context of Natuto being more enjoyable and pertinent to the kids’ only shows your desperation. There is nothing wrong in admitting your ideals were flawed— the only flaw is sticking to them after discovery of their shortfalls.

SoulessAnime said:

yeah that makes you sound even more pretentious. Also sounds like you aren't even arguing about dubbing anymore, you just think the Japanese language is better and that you prefer reading to listening.

genuinely have no clue how you can be so stuck up about children's cartoons (not all anime is for kids, but specifically shonen IS shonen because it's for young boys)

You just became a filmbro (who are just as annoying, I'm not gonna watch a 1950s Italian movie about a kid grieving his mother just cuz it advanced the medium) but applied it to anime.


And no I wasn't arguing tens of thousands of dubs are better than subbed. there's probably a maximum of 10000 shows that exist with dubs. if I think 10% are better than subs (granted that is an exaggeration I suppose if I could retroactively change that it'd be around 1% or 2% that are better) then that would mean only 1000 anime have superior dubs compared to subs and taking my 1% or 2% it would only be 100 or 200. And that's being generous, I'd guess there's closer to 2000-ish (maybe 5000) total dubs making those numbers either 200 with 10% or 20/40 with 1% or 2%.