zckfox said: Why do people say that the 2006 anime adaptation of fate/stay night is bad and that you shouldn't start the series from there? - Not so good Animation. (Especially compared to what Ufotable did later) - It does mix a bit of elements of UBW & HF in it , and spoils (or atleast strongly hints) some of the twists that are supposed to be revealed in them. - Shirô is extremely annoying , due to his numerous monologues being cut. (Even more than in the other adaptations.) - There is the infamous "You die when you are killed" sentence which is completely out of context , but sounds dumb. - Terrible reputation , which leeds peoples to not even try watching it. |
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| Basically just changing much stuff and not being faithful to that route |
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| it’s not bad, i think people got more used with the type of animations we’re seeing right now and since that animation is different i just think people consider it “dated” cause we have unlimited blade works |
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| I have 2 things to say about this, the first is the animation problem, many people, especially those who have joined during Covid probably started with Demon Slayer,, JJK, AoT or some other big hit anime that have the most gorgeous animations to ever exist. Even one bad shot/cgi and they harass anime studios (Aot for exemple). These people can't stop complaing about crappy animation. Even before Covid, there's people who always expect the best animations , but forget that Fate/Stay Night came out in 2006. The second one, probably truer, is that VN/LN/Manga readers like to complain about each and every thing that gets cut out/changed a bit, they think themselves superior to anime onlys. In one route it's shown that Shirou is pierced/covered in blades and the text box shows his thoughts and how painful it is for him, in the anime it's literally just a scream and that's it. They think this is not enough to show that it is painful. And if you plan to watch Tsukihime, they'll will wholeheartedly say it's garbage, or straight out deny it's existence. |
| I haven't played the visual novel yet (though I am going to start it soon), so I can't speak to the differences or similarities between it and 2006, and I know I'm biased bc I only watched 2006 after already watching UBW, Zero, and HF. I'm sure this negatively affected my score for the show, as it's probably much easier to notice the lackluster parts of DEEN's adaptation when you already know and love Ufotable's style of storytelling for Fate. That being said, I think the biggest detrimental factor in my experience with the show was that because of the way most the scenes that were meant to be serious were directed, personally I just couldn't take them seriously and ended up laughing during many of them. Honestly, I think a big part of it for me was the voice acting direction, and an overall "absence of subtlety/nuance" for lack of a better way to describe what I felt about DEEN's Fate route. I love all of the Fate VAs to death, and they all do a stellar job in UBW, HF, and Zero imo, which is part of why I think it might have specifically been the voice acting direction that was throwing me off while watching 2006. That's mainly the only explanation I can think of for why so many of the "tense" moments have an overabundance of prolonged yelling, unless the VAs just got much better at conveying emotion with range by the time the Ufotable adaptations came around, by I definitely lean toward the former. The fight scenes were also a downside for me. Though once again, by starting with Ufotable's Fate stuff, which has my favorite action in Anime hands down, before watching 2006, I don't think there was any way I wasn't gonna see DEEN's fights as a downgrade. However, I will say that the SOL/humor bits in the show (ie. the Emiya Family eating around the table/everything Taiga) worked for me and were fun to watch. My biggest hope for anything Anime, is that Ufotable eventually remakes the Fate route, so we can finally see Saber's route done justice, and be able to see Archer vs. Berserker in all its glory. Plus, it would have the added benefit of giving a definitive starting point for the shows, instead of the convoluted debates we currently have about where to jump in first. |
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zera_scarlet said: I have 2 things to say about this, the first is the animation problem, many people, especially those who have joined during Covid probably started with Demon Slayer,, JJK, AoT or some other big hit anime that have the most gorgeous animations to ever exist. Even one bad shot/cgi and they harass anime studios (Aot for exemple). These people can't stop complaing about crappy animation. Even before Covid, there's people who always expect the best animations , but forget that Fate/Stay Night came out in 2006. The second one, probably truer, is that VN/LN/Manga readers like to complain about each and every thing that gets cut out/changed a bit, they think themselves superior to anime onlys. In one route it's shown that Shirou is pierced/covered in blades and the text box shows his thoughts and how painful it is for him, in the anime it's literally just a scream and that's it. They think this is not enough to show that it is painful. And if you plan to watch Tsukihime, they'll will wholeheartedly say it's garbage, or straight out deny it's existence. tbf its more of vn readers being mad about very important monolohues being cut, its not like they want every single piece of inner monologue to be in, the ubw anime did quite a good job with show dont tell like the example you mentioned, its more of how certain scenes removing some critically important monologues like for example the archer vs caster scene at the temple being a good example where without context shirou sounds stupid for trying to "save" archer. i know alot of vn readers and most would agree that atleast a tiny bit of inner monologues wouldve been perfect. another thing i will say is ufotable overdid some fight scenes, the shirou vs gil fight in particular just straight up has him doing air acrobatics, even tho hes not capable of doing that, but it isnt as bad as HF with the literal fight on a highway when theres people out and could see it (that whole sequence is anime only btw) oh and the tsukihime anime is genuanly that bad, it deserves its existance denied. |
salad77May 13, 2023 10:52 AM
| Read the visual novel nerd |
| I found the show to be decent when i did watch it. |
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TypicalOne said: Streetplosion said: Fate/stay night came first so seeing saber act like a blushing normal girl is the original way she is. Plus in zero she wasn’t a vicious killer. I Hooghly reccomend playing the VN, it’s very good to amazing and blows Zero out of the water when it comes to writing I understand she isn't a vicious killer, I was trying to convey the idea that you see her as a legendary stoic warrior in zero to then a more emotional servant in stay/night where can I play it? its more of the other way around. she is much more vicious in fsn than zero, she goes straight after masters compared to almost crying when insulted by iskandar. |
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| yeah it's not bad, they only added parts from other routes to make it more exciting for anime only viewers and make them give the vn a try but i feel that it didn't always work well like that weird hf ep thatkinda sucked not to mention that the animation is underwhelming even for its time. but even though it has its flaws i think it's still decent and it has a certain atmosphere that the ufotable ones lack with its soundtrack and artstyle. |
| Try not to take Fate fans seriously. They dont know what they want in an anime lol. People say the adaptation is bad just from the animation and quality of the art. I too would say its quite faithful with some minor changes (okay, maybe Illya was a backhand to the face straight up but still not exactly main plot). They want some more monologuing or something. |
RobertsahDHDAMay 13, 2023 4:00 PM
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| Whoever does is an idiot and shouldn't be taken seriously. |
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Sara_Karma said: When I’m trying to rewatch it idk which one to watch |
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Alexioos95 said: 1) it's good enoughzckfox said: Why do people say that the 2006 anime adaptation of fate/stay night is bad and that you shouldn't start the series from there? - Not so good Animation. (Especially compared to what Ufotable did later) - It does mix a bit of elements of UBW & HF in it , and spoils (or atleast strongly hints) some of the twists that are supposed to be revealed in them. - Shirô is extremely annoying , due to his numerous monologues being cut. (Even more than in the other adaptations.) - There is the infamous "You die when you are killed" sentence which is completely out of context , but sounds dumb. - Terrible reputation , which leeds peoples to not even try watching it. 2) who gives a shit 3) shirou is based 4) who gives a shit 5) who gives a shit |
| Majority of this is utter garbage. Stay the fuck away, and may Type Moon burn. |
| I'm currently watching this anime and it's my first Fate series, 12 episodes done and the main character is seriously pissing me off so much. Now I'm literally skipping the scenes whenever the asshole named Shirou Emiya comes on screen. |
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PirateHasan said: Now I'm literally skipping the scenes whenever the asshole named Shirou Emiya comes on screen. You must skip a lot then... Fate is literally Emiya Shirô. He's depicted a little bit better in the rest of the franchise , but he's always very divisive. Either you love him , or you hate him. He's way more likeable in the Visual Novel tho. |
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| They just compare the animation of both the old and new. And just bluff. |
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PirateHasan said:
Now I'm literally skipping the scenes whenever the asshole named Shirou Emiya comes on screen.
Now I'm literally skipping the scenes whenever the asshole named Shirou Emiya comes on screen.
You must skip a lot then...
Fate is literally Emiya Shirô.
He's depicted a little bit better in the rest of the franchise , but he's always very divisive.
Either you love him , or you hate him. He's way more likeable in the Visual Novel tho.
| @Alexioos95 For such a weak character, he sure talks a lot. Also the way he treats women pisses me off, he keeps on telling Saber how she mustn't fight because she's a girl. |
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PirateHasan said: For such a weak character, he sure talks a lot. There is a lot of exposition in this Route , so yeah. And still , he has a crazy amount of monologue in the Visual Novel , almost all cut here. PirateHasan said: Also the way he treats women pisses me off, he keeps on telling Saber how she mustn't fight because she's a girl. Ah , that's a point very often raised , especially when talking about the 2006 Anime. Since a lot of dialogues are cut , a lot of people doesn't really realize that he's basically lying to himself , and uses the "You are a girl !" only as an excuse to not admit it. (In case you did not realized , he never said anything to the other characters.) It's an important key element playing in the development of Shirô in this Route. You should be able to understand more by watching the 2nd half of this Anime. |
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PirateHasan said:
For such a weak character, he sure talks a lot.
For such a weak character, he sure talks a lot.
There is a lot of exposition in this Route , so yeah.
And still , he has a crazy amount of monologue in the Visual Novel , almost all cut here.
PirateHasan said:
Also the way he treats women pisses me off, he keeps on telling Saber how she mustn't fight because she's a girl.
Also the way he treats women pisses me off, he keeps on telling Saber how she mustn't fight because she's a girl.
Ah , that's a point very often raised , especially when talking about the 2006 Anime.
Since a lot of dialogues are cut , a lot of people doesn't really realize that he's basically lying to himself , and uses the "You are a girl !" only as an excuse to not admit it. (In case you did not realized , he never said anything to the other characters.)
It's an important key element playing in the development of Shirô in this Route. You should be able to understand more by watching the 2nd half of this Anime.
| @Alexioos95 Okay, This give me hope! I wasn't planning on dropping it since this franchise is pretty huge and I wanted to deep dive into this. My only gripe is that I honestly never expected a character like Shirou to be in this. |
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