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| Takeru needs to get his shit together. This episode was awkward to watch on various segments. On the other hand, we got to see a lot more of Kouzuki, a character I find more tolerable than some the others in the show. |
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One episode I despise the most. Purely because how they handled marimo. Barely any dialogue between marimo and takeru when there could've been enough to fill most of the episode. And a single scene. The scene I loved the most from this franchise. Cut off. Ain't that great? The pacing also went to the gutter. They rushed through takeru's PTSD.  |
dailybreadOct 19, 2022 9:40 AM
| The story has REALLY kicked into gear these last couple of episodes. VN nerds crying about things that were left out of a 100 hour VN in a 12 episode form lol. Of course they’re going to change and condense things because there’s only so much you can fit in a 23 minute episode and have it flow well. On its own merits I really enjoyed the episode and think takeru’s near psychotic break/wanting to go home is exactly how someone would react in that situation. It’s just a shame that Jinguuji suffered an equally bad fate in that reality too. These last two eps have been very hard to watch and have had a very Evangelion type feel to em. Can’t wait for next week |
Marinate1016Oct 19, 2022 1:32 PM
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| Marimo dying in his original world too was something I thought would be great but wouldn’t actually happen, but then it went and happened lol, in an arguably more brutal way too, only this time Takeru didn’t witness it himself. It’s also interesting to hear the content covered in this episode was toned down compared to the VN, tho I thought it was pretty well done here myself. I also liked the Meiya moments in this one, if only she knew what she was saying to Takeru wasn’t very helpful lol, but in the original world she seems to be having a better impact, sad to see Sumika left in the dust tho. |
| Takeru got scared and traumatized now it seems but he causes the death of Marimo too on the original timeline damn the love triangle between Takeru, Sumika and Meiya is evolving fast |
dailybread said: One episode I despise the most. Purely because how they handled marimo. Barely any dialogue between marimo and takeru when there could've been enough to fill most of the episode. And a single scene. The scene I loved the most from this franchise. Cut off. Ain't that great? The pacing also went to the gutter. They rushed through takeru's PTSD. This anime should not be exist in the first place. It's disgusting of what have they done. They basically said that Extra and Unlimited are irrelavent , and we will cut more contents from the Alternative and said that people will only interest in mecha fight . Why don't they pick random isekai LN and make an anime of it instead of this ? |
| Rance X is A GOAT. |
| So glad I never played the overrated visual novel and settling for the crappy anime. I can say right now I wouldn't have enjoyed my purchase with all the female body horror (Marimo and Sumika) that this sadistic author likes to push on people. Completely unnecessary. Will be glad when it's over so I can put the story behind me. |
| This episode butchered multiple scenes and also toned down Takeru's reactions in the Extraverse. The previous two eps weren't bad, but it seems we're back to rushing now. |
AdatiusOct 21, 2022 12:09 PM
Marinate1016 said: The story has REALLY kicked into gear these last couple of episodes. VN nerds crying about things that were left out of a 100 hour VN in a 12 episode form lol. Of course they’re going to change and condense things because there’s only so much you can fit in a 23 minute episode and have it flow well. It doesn't flow well, anime nerd. Shit's all over the place and the main character surviving near-death situations happened off-screen, twice. And yes, I know you don't want to be quoted but I did it to be annoying :> |
| Not having read the source material I can't compare it but as an Anime this is very frustrating.... Came for the giant mecha, stayed for the ability to rant at the insanity of the story. I did very much enjoy Schwarzesmarken and reasonably enjoyed Total Eclipse. |
dailybread said: One episode I despise the most. Purely because how they handled marimo. Barely any dialogue between marimo and takeru when there could've been enough to fill most of the episode. And a single scene. The scene I loved the most from this franchise. Cut off. Ain't that great? The pacing also went to the gutter. They rushed through takeru's PTSD. She said something very similar in the episode. Perhaps VN "readers" need to be told the same thing in 20 different ways to understand, but it would be awful if this anime spent three episodes on a loser who manages to be traumatised by a single death despite having witnessed much worse in the past. Choostopher said: Not having read the source material I can't compare it but as an Anime this is very frustrating.... Came for the giant mecha, stayed for the ability to rant at the insanity of the story. I did very much enjoy Schwarzesmarken and reasonably enjoyed Total Eclipse. I find it strange that Schwarzesmarken is rated below Total Eclipse considering that they managed to craft a coherent story with a good pace in only 12 episodes, contrary to Total Eclipse that gets a little boring in the middle. |
dailybread said: Meusnier said: She said something very similar in the episode. Perhaps VN "readers" need to be told the same thing in 20 different ways to understand, but it would be awful if this anime spent three episodes on a loser who manages to be traumatised by a single death despite having witnessed much worse in the past. I find it strange that Schwarzesmarken is rated below Total Eclipse considering that they managed to craft a coherent story with a good pace in only 12 episodes, contrary to Total Eclipse that gets a little boring in the middle. He never witnessed anything like that before, much less anything worse. He was a highschool student, witnessing the death of someone who's close to him (not really showed in the anime but marimo is pretty close with takeru). Him getting the front seat is an extra. That's kinda the point of the entire arc. A normal highschool student finally witnessing the actual horrors of the alternate world. Again, as I've said before, what is it with anime only making things up to back up their arguments? He saw humanity being defeated, died, and did not get a PTSD out of it, although it should have been a much more traumatising experience. I am not "making things up" (sic), those events happened in the beginning of S1 episode 2.  |
Meusnier said: dailybread said: He never witnessed anything like that before, much less anything worse. He was a highschool student, witnessing the death of someone who's close to him (not really showed in the anime but marimo is pretty close with takeru). Him getting the front seat is an extra. That's kinda the point of the entire arc. A normal highschool student finally witnessing the actual horrors of the alternate world. Again, as I've said before, what is it with anime only making things up to back up their arguments? He saw humanity being defeated, died, and did not get a PTSD out of it, although it should have been a much more traumatising experience. I am not "making things up" (sic), those events happened in the beginning of S1 episode 2. He doesn't remember a single thing from TDA (The day after, basically after they announced Alt V is in effect). He just knew humanity is fucked in a way that he just "knew" from the rough memory he had. This time, I'm not blaming you since this one is not mentioned at all in the anime. He only has a very rough, jumbled memory of his past. He remembers important stuff like Beta invasion from sado, the volcano incident (a bit but not all of them. This will play an important role later on), etc etc. But for the most part, his memory is very vague. Now you are telling me, then, how is he able to tell the fututre reliably? Honestly, I don't know. It switches up between him being able to remember certain events and just getting an epiphany about who he boned after some triggers (the vn sold it as an information flowing to him from some other alternative timeline because causality conductor bla bla bla). He doesn't even recall having sex with yuuko during his last loop until a trigger remind him. Don't get me wrong, he definitely saw some shit during TDA but to this alternative Takeru, those events doesn't exist. Because He would never recall those even until the end of the story. So, take it from me, who have read the VN, this is technically the first time he ever saw someone he loves got chewed up in front of him up close. It doesn't get more traumatizing than that. |
dailybreadOct 22, 2022 5:05 AM
| That ending. Its like slap you in the face cliffhanger after cliffhanger. I wasnt too sure what was going on with the intro, so rewatched second half of last eps, then I still wasnt sure what was going on at start of this eps but rolled with it. The emotional damage was supreme. Ive no idea where this is going, but its epic! |
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dailybread said: Meusnier said: He saw humanity being defeated, died, and did not get a PTSD out of it, although it should have been a much more traumatising experience. I am not "making things up" (sic), those events happened in the beginning of S1 episode 2. He doesn't remember a single thing from TDA (The day after, basically after they announced Alt V is in effect). He just knew humanity is fucked in a way that he just "knew" from the rough memory he had. This time, I'm not blaming you since this one is not mentioned at all in the anime. He only has a very rough, jumbled memory of his past. He remembers important stuff like Beta invasion from sado, the volcano incident (a bit but not all of them. This will play an important role later on), etc etc. But for the most part, his memory is very vague. Now you are telling me, then, how is he able to tell the fututre reliably? Honestly, I don't know. It switches up between him being able to remember certain events and just getting an epiphany about who he boned after some triggers (the vn sold it as an information flowing to him from some other alternative timeline because causality conductor bla bla bla). He doesn't even recall having sex with yuuko during his last loop until a trigger remind him. Don't get me wrong, he definitely saw some shit during TDA but to this alternative Takeru, those events doesn't exist. Because He would never recall those even until the end of the story. So, take it from me, who have read the VN, this is technically the first time he ever saw someone he loves got chewed up in front of him up close. It doesn't get more traumatizing than that. He does remember being eaten by a BETA (episode 2). He also mentions that he remembers seeing humanity leave Earth amongst other things. He even has a flashback with Katsumi and other people. His memory is partial, but he does remember about a few important things. So either the anime has added new things to the source material, or the VN did not manage to make Takeru's PTSD credible. In all cases, the anime has failed at explaining properly Takeru's reaction, which is another reason not to spend three episodes on this odd episode. Getting chewed up yourself by a Tank-class is certainly as (if not more) traumatising than seeing a friend getting chewed by a Soldier-class. |
Meusnier said: dailybread said: He doesn't remember a single thing from TDA (The day after, basically after they announced Alt V is in effect). He just knew humanity is fucked in a way that he just "knew" from the rough memory he had. This time, I'm not blaming you since this one is not mentioned at all in the anime. He only has a very rough, jumbled memory of his past. He remembers important stuff like Beta invasion from sado, the volcano incident (a bit but not all of them. This will play an important role later on), etc etc. But for the most part, his memory is very vague. Now you are telling me, then, how is he able to tell the fututre reliably? Honestly, I don't know. It switches up between him being able to remember certain events and just getting an epiphany about who he boned after some triggers (the vn sold it as an information flowing to him from some other alternative timeline because causality conductor bla bla bla). He doesn't even recall having sex with yuuko during his last loop until a trigger remind him. Don't get me wrong, he definitely saw some shit during TDA but to this alternative Takeru, those events doesn't exist. Because He would never recall those even until the end of the story. So, take it from me, who have read the VN, this is technically the first time he ever saw someone he loves got chewed up in front of him up close. It doesn't get more traumatizing than that. He does remember being eaten by a BETA (episode 2). He also mentions that he remembers seeing humanity leave Earth amongst other things. He even has a flashback with Katsumi and other people. His memory is partial, but he does remember about a few important things. So either the anime has added new things to the source material, or the VN did not manage to make Takeru's PTSD credible. In all cases, the anime has failed at explaining properly Takeru's reaction, which is another reason not to spend three episodes on this odd episode. Getting chewed up yourself by a Tank-class is certainly as (if not more) traumatising than seeing a friend getting chewed by a Soldier-class. Okay, this is probably the difference in the writing decision between the anime and the VN. In the anime, they want to show the BETA as fast as possible meanwhile in the VN your first time seeing BETA would be during the trial. As far as the original story concerned, it wasn't there. Okay I'm not going to go into detail since the mod will go ballistic if I discus about this in an episodic thread. And I'll put a spoiler tag on it. It's about a thing that happens later in the vn. So I can't say for sure if the anime is telling that's how takeru died in one of his loop or it's a call to the plot point I said above. because: Incognimous said: Meusnier said: He does remember being eaten by a BETA (episode 2). He also mentions that he remembers seeing humanity leave Earth amongst other things. He even has a flashback with Katsumi and other people. His memory is partial, but he does remember about a few important things. So either the anime has added new things to the source material, or the VN did not manage to make Takeru's PTSD credible. In all cases, the anime has failed at explaining properly Takeru's reaction, which is another reason not to spend three episodes on this odd episode. Getting chewed up yourself by a Tank-class is certainly as (if not more) traumatising than seeing a friend getting chewed by a Soldier-class. Was he though? The way he's attacked by the destroyer and then immediately wakes up seems to suggest that this attack is what killed him. It was similar in the manga version where his Gekishin was obliterated by a fort class and then he wakes up. That shot with the tank class was added for the anime. The VN never showed his final moments. All it says is that his squad was never sent out into battle until those colony ships left earth. Either way, as I said, It's traumatic because that's his first seeing something so traumatic (and for us the vn readers after staring at school and base hallway for 60 hours). |
dailybreadOct 22, 2022 9:08 AM
Incognimous said: Meusnier said: He does remember being eaten by a BETA (episode 2). He also mentions that he remembers seeing humanity leave Earth amongst other things. He even has a flashback with Katsumi and other people. His memory is partial, but he does remember about a few important things. So either the anime has added new things to the source material, or the VN did not manage to make Takeru's PTSD credible. In all cases, the anime has failed at explaining properly Takeru's reaction, which is another reason not to spend three episodes on this odd episode. Getting chewed up yourself by a Tank-class is certainly as (if not more) traumatising than seeing a friend getting chewed by a Soldier-class. Was he though? The way he's attacked by the destroyer and then immediately wakes up seems to suggest that this attack is what killed him. It was similar in the manga version where his Gekishin was obliterated by a fort class and then he wakes up. That shot with the tank class was added for the anime. The VN never showed his final moments. All it says is that his squad was never sent out into battle until those colony ships left earth. Just rewatch the beginning of episode 2, the two images that I have shown are almost consecutive, which implies that he remembers being eaten by this BETA (how could he see a BETA that close otherwise?). Generally, pilots are not killed by a Destroyer-classes, they just cannot move, and then, they get killed—or rather eaten—by either Soldier-classes or Tank-classes. Then the anime and the VN differ... |
Incognimous said: Meusnier said: Just rewatch the beginning of episode 2, the two images that I have shown are almost consecutive, which implies that he remembers being eaten by this BETA (how could he see a BETA that close otherwise?). Generally, pilots are not killed by a Destroyer-classes, they just cannot move, and then, they get killed—or rather eaten—by either Soldier-classes or Tank-classes. Then the anime and the VN differ... Neither the VN nor the manga show any memories of him being eaten alive or anything close to that (and both do not shy away from showing gore), which makes me think this shot is just short hand used in the anime to show a sort of deep seated fear of the BETA, not an actual vivid memory. Something similar happened in Muv-Luv Unlimited where seeing the silhouette of a BETA made him pass out during a simulator test. This is all disregarding that a) even if he had traumatic experiences in the past, the graphic death of a person close to him at point blank range can still traumatize him or b) it could trigger a trauma that he already has (e.g. through his fragmentary memories). Why do you keep clinging to your VN/manga storytelling? In the anime, he clearly remembers about those scenes. He wakes up, cries, and the first image he remembers is this BETA who was about to eat him. This has nothing to do with an abstract fear of BETA... It would be good to stop being of bad faith about the interpretation of such basic cinematographic tricks. Mere possibilities that do not make this scene credible... Write not what cannot be with ease conceiv'd; Som Truths may be too strong to be believ'd. The Art of Poetry, Canto III, Boileau. |
| Holy shit.... That was sad and pathetic |
| That became more dramatic again, Takeru wasn't in the mood for rape and ran home with the tail between his legs. Karma is a bitch and Takeru falls even more apart in his peaceful world. kind of bizarre how Marimo died again in the other universe, I don't think they had to throw her in a meat cutter. Seems like things will get more terrible, I hope that the BETA won't appear. |
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ixarising said: Raven_Wingz said: So glad I never played the overrated visual novel and settling for the crappy anime. I can say right now I wouldn't have enjoyed my purchase with all the female body horror (Marimo and Sumika) that this sadistic author likes to push on people. Completely unnecessary. Will be glad when it's over so I can put the story behind me. Those so called horror aren't really even much of a focal. Like for Marimo, what indirectly caused her death? It was Takeru's pride/ego. His ego got excessively massive at this point because things were going smooth for him. Then his encounter with the BETA crushed his pride, he felt that he became the joke of the base because he was rushing at them with paintballs and even piss himself off when near death. He ended up weeping at the spot he lost even though it was unnecessary and dangerous. He had a full ptsd meldown because this was the first time he saw the actuall beta and it triggered dormant experiences from unlimited (I dont think he can access these memories its more of a his body/soul remembers kinda thing). This plus the hypnosis and the stimulants sent him completely of the rails. It's something that they couldn't have predicted would happen. The pissing himself is something that Marimo also talks about and she says that its something that propably most pilots have happen to them. The area he was weeping in was supposed to be secured but they cut that part out where it is said. I can be inferred by there already being yellow tape and all and the girls being there. But yes things have been going very smoothly for him and his contributions made significant meaningfull changes to the timeline so he was due for a reality check. Him absolutely falling appart uppon realizing that, yes he was brought into this world for a yet unknown reason but that doesn't mean that he will succeed in finding out and he may just die without succeeding at anything he wanted or hoped for. |
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| The episode felt too disjointed and a lot of scenes lacked impact, a shame because they did a decent job with the previous episode. I feel like the lack of VN ost is also an issue. I don't how many times this almost made me tear up: |
Fax001sOct 24, 2022 3:30 AM
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Fax001s said: The episode felt too disjointed and a lot of scenes lacked impact, a shame because they did a decent job with the previous episode. I feel like the lack of VN ost is also an issue. I don't how many times this almost made me tear up: 100% agree. They tried to do way too much in such a short amount of time and therefore didn't give the big moments time to breath and sink in. They have reduced most conversation down to their core component and left out secondary points. This way the most important plot points are still there but now every conversation feels somewhat unnatural aprupt and well as you said... disjointed. It's a rough arc to watch and I get that they dont want to spend multiple episodes just bumming people out. At the time I've played it I felt that Takeru running away was absolutely something I could picture myself doing in that situation as well. He did bring the formula, alternative IV is on its way. XM3 will save countless lives and he has already saved thousands of people with the intel he brought over from unlimited. He has shown first hand that he is not the chosen one and by his meddling people died that didn't need to die. Him not wanting to get his hands any more bloody is... understandable enough I think. Yuuko even told him that his mission is done and sends him off. It's cowardice and escapist and as Kasumi said pathetic (always hated that line by the way as that out of characterily cruel for her to even verbalize) but ultimately it made sense to me. |
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Marinate1016 said: The story has REALLY kicked into gear these last couple of episodes. VN nerds crying about things that were left out of a 100 hour VN in a 12 episode form lol. Of course they’re going to change and condense things because there’s only so much you can fit in a 23 minute episode and have it flow well. On its own merits I really enjoyed the episode and think takeru’s near psychotic break/wanting to go home is exactly how someone would react in that situation. It’s just a shame that Jinguuji suffered an equally bad fate in that reality too. These last two eps have been very hard to watch and have had a very Evangelion type feel to em. Can’t wait for next week dude glad to see someone else agree with me about how realistic it is him breaking and wanting to go back! Had a fight with my brother about this cause he thinks takeru just needed to get over it and quit being a bitch. Also says he never should have gone back to his original world to begin with cause he's not fit for it anymore. But I'm like dude that's exactly why he wants to go back. It's like a soldier returning from war, how some are able to just pick up like nothing ever happen and others are changed forever and feel like they are out of place when they come back even around their family. So I think they've been doing a good job for us that aren't VN readers. I do wish though that they had just started from the beginning kinda cause it's hard starting half way through this story. |
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| Well can't blame the literal kid for going crazy and trying to run away after seeing Marimo-chan die twice, especially since he has the opportunity to return to a BETA-free world. Got to the feeling more girls will die though... |
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