| Im more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. |
| Yeah, it is supposed to be watched after fate stay night 3 routes not before it as it is a prequel |
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NickCipolla said: zero season 2 is my favourite anime I’ve seen. But whenever I recommend someone fate zero I always say let me watch it with you since without an understanding of the grail war fate in general, I believe it can hard for people to grasp a lot of things while watching zero if it is their first fate. There are not a lot of good adaptations after zero, and I believe it is the best fate anime adaptation there is.Im more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. |
eexi said: NickCipolla said: zero season 2 is my favourite anime I’ve seen. But whenever I recommend someone fate zero I always say let me watch it with you since without an understanding of the grail war fate in general, I believe it can hard for people to grasp a lot of things while watching zero if it is their first fate. There are not a lot of good adaptations after zero, and I believe it is the best fate anime adaptation there is.Im more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. i think adaptation aside, its got a ton of fundamental flaws that make it tough to be considered a great anime. - many of the servants are given extremely rushed or failed to be given a backstory at all. rider was given so much backstory but nobody else was. even sabers is hard to follow - a lot of the masters were just disposed of far too easy - ep 12 brings more questtions than it answers for a season finale it really is a shame how much the show is all over the place for me even though the characters are 10/10. |
| 3 f/sn spoils zero so much, I started with zero. And I'll never regret my decision |
| https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [WATCH THIS^^^] |
| I started with F/Z and still liked it. Yeah, other fate routes might explain things in more elaborated way. But I am not sure if you will like them too. |
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NickCipolla said: Im more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. NickCipolla said: This series is supposed to be watched after watching/reading the other 3 routes in which they will explain how the fate world works and how the holy Grail war works. Without knowing anything about fate, if you watch zero it's probably a hit or miss. I suggest you to stop watching zero and start UBW then heaven's feel after that continue watching zero from the start. Even the Fate author himself said Zero should be watched after watching/reading the other 3 routes. Im more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. |
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NickCipolla said: - many of the servants are given extremely rushed or failed to be given a backstory at all. rider was given so much backstory but nobody else was. even sabers is hard to follow - a lot of the masters were just disposed of far too easy - ep 12 brings more questtions than it answers for a season finale Saber's backstory was the ENTIRE base for a whole route in Fate/stay night. You're actually supposed to know everything about her before you watch Zero. Since the Assassins don't have an identity, they lack any backstory too. They take liberties with Gilgamesh and Lancelot's backstories, but given they are prominent figures of some extremely popular myths and legends, I don't see an issue. You are ALSO supposed to know Gilgamesh before Zero. As far as the masters' deaths are concerned, all of them just felt the right way to go, imo. Like as an afterthought, I tried to think of better ways they could've killed them off. I couldn't. I take it you're referring to ep12 from Season 2. For someone starting with Zero, the ending isn't something you can fully grasp. The whole thing with Angra Mainyuu and Kirei and Gilgamesh, and Kiritsugu realising the true nature of the grail were already known to people who read the visual novel and/or watched the staynight routes. Zero wasn't anything but one big origin story. Like any other origin story to an already existing lore/character, you're supposed to know how it'll end. The journey you go through to actually get there is the main focus. For instance, people who watched/read Staynight already knew Kirei is a sadistic cunt who gets pleasure from someone else's suffering. Zero delved fully into this, and showed us how Gilgamesh toyed around with his psyche and how Kirei's realisation molded his character into what we saw in Staynight. Similiarly, the final outcome of the 4th Holy Grail War was also revealed before Zero. So people knew Kiritsugu destroyed the Grail because he realised it was corrupted, but the 'hows' and 'whys' were answered in Zero. |
| i dont agree with you at all but it’s true you either like fate or you don’t if you didnt like fate zero already than you will hate fate stay night |
| What? Fate zero is not hard to understand even if you watch it by itself and or first, and youre the first person ive seen to say that the second season was worse than the first???? |
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| I watched fate zero first and I dont regret my decision. I think it was a better decision actually cause zero is like the best entry in the entire fate universe. Again you are the first person from whom I hear that they didnt like the 2nd season. Maybe you should watch all the other routes to better grasp it. Personally, I went into watching fate having knowledge only about its waifus. I literally had no idea what the entire fate or holy grail war and master and servant were in general but fate zero did an absolutely amazing job to explain the holy grail war in its first couple of episodes and that is the reason why I grew fond of it. |
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.  |
| the fact that half of people are saying you wont understand much if u start with fate/zero, and the other half said they are happy they started with it shows how fucked up the fate watch order is. from a story standpoint tho its very clear fate/zero was not the right one to start with |
NickCipolla said: the fact that half of people are saying you wont understand much if u start with fate/zero, and the other half said they are happy they started with it shows how fucked up the fate watch order is. from a story standpoint tho its very clear fate/zero was not the right one to start with Well there IS technically a lot of reasons people recommend starting with Zero. 1. You're supposed to go Fate-> UBW -> Heaven's Feel. Since people hate the Fate route adaptation made by Studio Deen in 2006, they'll never recommend it. Now UBW is the second route in SN, so people were like 'Oh shit we can't have someone start with entry number two! Better have them start with Zero'. But in hindsight, it still doesn't make any sense because you'll be watching the second staynight route first any way. 2. The demographic appeal. Although very dark in their own right, the Staynight routes at the end of the day, can seem shounen-ey. Fans can get a little insecure when a viewer is unable to take the show seriously. It's the very same reason Death Note and Attack on Titan top the Most-Members List. So they end up recommending Zero as the starting point, thinking the viewers will go 'Oh shit, they're not messing around.' 3. The 'Ideal'. Kiritsugu's ideal to be a hero of justice ultimately moves the entire plot in both Zero and the Staynight routes, either directly or indirectly. However, the Staynight anime adaptations kind of gloss over the actual significance of the ideal. Watching Zero first actually makes you care about it. |
xyro14 said: NickCipolla said: i think adaptation aside, its got a ton of fundamental flaws that make it tough to be considered a great anime. - many of the servants are given extremely rushed or failed to be given a backstory at all. rider was given so much backstory but nobody else was. even sabers is hard to follow - a lot of the masters were just disposed of far too easy - ep 12 brings more questtions than it answers for a season finale it really is a shame how much the show is all over the place for me even though the characters are 10/10. I want to ask this but have you thought that perhaps you're nitpicking? I won't persuade your opinion but these you pointed being fundamental flaws is just funny. I don't mean to offend but let me explain: "many of the servants are given extremely rushed or failed to be given a backstory at all. rider was given so much backstory but nobody else was. even sabers is hard to follow" I mean characters doesn't always need a backstory, the main importance is their background and how this contributes to the story. Every character in Fate/Zero I believe has been characterized enough to support the story with its themes. You know Fate/Zero is about holy grail war where people and heroes who seeks for it participates. Knowing Kiritsugu, Saber, Waver, literally all of them, it's obvious how they supported the story. "a lot of the masters were just disposed of far too easy" That's just how it is. I mean can you think how could Tokiomi pull up against Kirei? Iskandar on Gilgamesh? That spoiled aristocrat on Kiritsugu? Kirei, Gilgamesh and Kiritsugu just f-ing OP man and that's just how Fate/Zero is. I mean if you want just watch Dragonball lol I heard the fights takes long time and that doesn't seem too easy I suppose "ep 12 brings more questtions than it answers for a season finale" This is the most understandable point here but I don't think it's a flaw either. The episode was very interpretive really, I think it needs a little bit of thinking to understand it. Not intending the edgy notion "It's great and you just don't understand it.", I personally watched an analysis before I even completely understood it or maybe when I just rewatched it. You can keep your own opinion but here's just my disagreement. If there's anything I suggest about Fate/Zero is that it gets better in rewatch though don't fully trust me. ive come to realize that most of the core issues of fate/zero just stem from it being a prequel. their job wasnt to create a story, it was more or less to fill a hole. i understand that now and i can see why that has caused some of the flaws this has. they didnt have to worry about pacing, or giving characters actual motivation/backstory because this was just made to lead up to UBW. although i still dont understand why the fights are so god damn lackluster in fate/zero compared to UBW. The fights in UBW are so intense and have so much to them, kinda feels fate/zero half assed them. |
Noel_babu said: NickCipolla said: idk what you're saying. I started with zero and yes it was confused at first but I had a general understanding after watching a few episodes. I personally think Fate/zero is a 10/10 masterpiece with the writing, animation, music, characters etc. The ending of s2 is explained more in the heaven's feel moviesIm more or less extremely disappointed with the fate series so far, specifically the 2nd season. The first season of fate/zero had its flaws, but it was entertaining and I more or less saw it as the build up for this season. I really liked the two background episodes halfway through the season, but the rest of the show seemed to be all over the place. Will this season make more sense when I have actually gotten through all of fate? The entire fate/zero felt like a complete waste of time. Nothing happened. youre so right, just because u liked it that must mean it has no flaws and any critcism is invalid. how could i forget that your opinion is the final verdict?!?!? |
| proper way to start Fate is to read the visual novel, but it's bad - as are most Type-Moon works, including this one - Fate/Zero butchers Saber's character. Iskandar and Waver are the greatest part of it. Write it off as a 5/10 series and carry on, nothing wrong with realizing this. |
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