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| An intense episode but felt like it didn't progress the story much. Still, it was a fight for survival in such a desolate world filled with enemies and danger. The fight itself took quite a toll on Takeru and the squad. A lot of anxiety this episode tbh. |
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| I liked this episode a lot and that's why i'm even more upset about the wasted potential. That being said, the score is still way too low |
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| I thought this episode was comically melodramatic and found the Shogun's voice acting laughable. I just don't have enough to go on to care for most of the characters. |
| Had no clue what was going on, who was who and what they all fighting for... I dont follow the franchise, but having watched the other series, I thought, why not, but I'm feeling this is worse than the other ones so far... |
| I don't expect justice. I expect revenge, even if it solves nothing in the end. I don't expect redemption. I expect decadence and self destruction. I don't expect compassion. I expect selfishness. I don't expect people making choices. I expect a cruel fate forced upon them. |
| the mecha action was cool again and the Shogun is still alive thats good i thought Meiya will take over her |
| If you can trust that these guys are so loyal to the shogun...then couldn't she have just stayed in Tokyo and told them to stand down, instead of running off for UN protection? |
modboy said: I thought this episode was comically melodramatic and found the Shogun's voice acting laughable. I just don't have enough to go on to care for most of the characters. Djisas said: Had no clue what was going on, who was who and what they all fighting for... I dont follow the franchise, but having watched the other series, I thought, why not, but I'm feeling this is worse than the other ones so far... I think the treatment in the original VN might be better than the manga adaption. But yeah, this part is hard to fully grasp even if you read the novel in full length and even with the help of a decent understanding of Japanese politics and history, so no surprise that people would easily get lost by watching the anime only. And nah, this is the highest rated visual novel of all time for a reason. Just wait for the whole wild ride to chart its course. The plot will never be as convoluted to comprehend as in the coup arc, so things should get easier to follow starting from the second cour. In fact you could regard the coup as a relatively standalone episode in Alternative, but the meat of the plot development is yet to come :) |
sho52Dec 8, 2021 2:08 PM
| From this point onward, it's all trying to be as close to the VN as possible. As an anime-only, I just really couldn't care a lot for the story it's trying to foretell, and that's ever more egregious because of Takeru's wishy-washy actions in the midst of war while the rest are fighting for their lives. Just gonna let the rest play it out to see what will happen. @sho52 thanks for the clarification, that explanation really helped a lot. Still feeling very lost though. |
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HOOfan_1 said: If you can trust that these guys are so loyal to the shogun...then couldn't she have just stayed in Tokyo and told them to stand down, instead of running off for UN protection? I think they mentioned in the last episode that the anti-insurrection forces don't respect the shogun very much. Also, the insurrection force is loyal to the shogun, but exactly for this reason, they think she's under the undue influence of the current Japanese government and the Americans etc., and therefore they have to put her under their protection in order to realize their vision (which they simply assume is also what the shogun would have wanted), while from shogun's perspective she can't let it happen for various reasons (e.g. not the least because the battle would become more white-hot in the middle of the capital, and this would only divide the country further, etc.) |
KANLen09 said: From this point onward, it's all trying to be as close to the VN as possible. As an anime-only, I just really couldn't care a lot for the story it's trying to foretell, and that's ever more egregious because of Takeru's wishy-washy actions in the midst of war while the rest are fighting for their lives. Just gonna let the rest play it out to see what will happen. @sho52 thanks for the clarification, that explanation really helped a lot. Still feeling very lost though. Yeah they incorporated some additional material from the manga, which probably in a way made the arc more drawn-out and confusing lol. I see that apparently the original VN readers overall are enjoying seeing the actions animated, while a lot of anime-onlys are feeling lost at the plot. If some predictions on the pacing are accurate, then the whole second cour could be a rollercoaster for audience coming from all backgrounds :) (Even though the effect would still be stronger with Extra + Unlimited serving as the buildup). And BTW if by "wishy-washy actions" you mean the triazolam thing, it's an important setup in the overall plot so there's a reason for it to be there, even though I can totally understand how it might seem like an unnatural and forced event (I still do to some extent after finishing the whole VN lol). You will understand the point of the scene some time down the line. I'll not go into details here of course. |
sho52Dec 8, 2021 3:32 PM
| Yeah, looking at the replies it's clear that the main problem here is the lack of buildup and characterization from Extra and Unlimited. Even when shit hits fans it doesn't/won't matter because there is no reason to care about anyone. It doesn't help the fact that this arc is filled with tons of political dialogue that gets confusing in anime format. As a VN reader i'm enjoying it but it's very clear that this anime as a standalone is very poor and would never work even with a better adaptation. |
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| Huh, they're actually given this arc more episodes than I thought. Given how they blazed through a lot Sonic speed (hee) up to this point I thought that they were just going to run through this part too |
sho52 said: Yeah, I'd thought as so.KANLen09 said: From this point onward, it's all trying to be as close to the VN as possible. As an anime-only, I just really couldn't care a lot for the story it's trying to foretell, and that's ever more egregious because of Takeru's wishy-washy actions in the midst of war while the rest are fighting for their lives. Just gonna let the rest play it out to see what will happen. @sho52 thanks for the clarification, that explanation really helped a lot. Still feeling very lost though. Yeah they incorporated some additional material from the manga, which probably in a way made the arc more drawn-out and confusing lol. I see that apparently the original VN readers overall are enjoying seeing the actions animated, while a lot of anime-onlys are feeling lost at the plot. If some predictions on the pacing are accurate, then the whole second cour could be a rollercoaster for audience coming from all backgrounds :) (Even though the effect would still be stronger with Extra + Unlimited serving as the buildup). And BTW if by "wishy-washy actions" you mean the triazolam thing, it's an important setup in the overall plot so there's a reason for it to be there, even though I can totally understand how it might seem like an unnatural and forced event (I still do to some extent after finishing the whole VN lol). You will understand the point of the scene some time down the line. I'll not go into details here of course. With many interatives of Muv-Luv, I understand that the anime is "supposedly" a gateway for newcomers, but it's very clear that unless you have some knowledge of the franchise, otherwise you won't really understand what's going on. Still very poor as an anime adaptation regardless. |
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| This would indeed be a much better anime to watch if only it was a sequel to at least some movie adapting at the very least some little things from Extra and a chunk of Unlimited content overall. As an adaptation it's doing a really nice job, but as a standalone anime product, it lacks some rather important information in order for one to fully grasp what the coup is even about (like some other users above stated). This is one of those examples of a good adaptation ruined by the fact they didn't adapt what came before it, so there's a gap that makes for a confusing experience for people not familiar with that. For a recent example, there was Rozen Maiden's latest anime, which is a sequel to the manga counterpart that tries to cram a bunch of stuff from the manga that differs from the anime in the first episode (like, 10 volumes supercut in 22 minutes), and all of the rest is a great adaptation for the manga sequel lol. Same can be said for Kuroshitsuji's latest TV anime, it tries to standalone out of the anime original continuity and have an extra episode to give more or less the context to comprehend what happened that far in with some flashbacks and anime original content (like this anime did), equally also growing up to be the best adaptation of the manga content so far. This happens here and there, and I have a couple of other examples more reboot-ty in nature (the rush to get into uncharted territory in FMAB's adaptation for one). The difference is that those had more flaws due to continuity errors because of some clearly retconned information. MLA's adaptation luckily don't have that mess in its clunky beginning since it's literally starting its first try with the sequel content already, what it's missing is some relevant information that hurts the anime only viewing (at least until they decide to actually adapt the skipped content of the trilogy, which I kinda doubt). If they do however, this anime could be retroactively much better appreciated. Anyway, another pretty good episode, just rough around the edges when it comes to standalone experiences. What a shame in that regard, really. |
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| This episode pretty much solidified my opinion of this adaptation. I don't think it's that bad of an adaptation, it has a lot of flaw(especially in 2D art/animation, direction and music) but at least the pacing is pleasant for a refresher of the VN. But dear god, this episode reminded me that I sure couldn't care less about the plot and the characters just like how I felt in the VN. At this point I'm probably just here for the actions scenes and I hope they can beat the insane actions scenes of the VN. |
Djisas said: Had no clue what was going on, who was who and what they all fighting for... I recognized Akane. I have no idea who any of her comrades are supposed to be. Danpmss said: For a recent example, there was Rozen Maiden's latest anime, which is a sequel to the manga counterpart that tries to cram a bunch of stuff from the manga that differs from the anime in the first episode (like, 10 volumes supercut in 22 minutes), and all of the rest is a great adaptation for the manga sequel lol. Same can be said for Kuroshitsuji's latest TV anime, it tries to standalone out of the anime original continuity and have an extra episode to give more or less the context to comprehend what happened that far in with some flashbacks and anime original content (like this anime did), equally also growing up to be the best adaptation of the manga content so far. I had no trouble understanding either of those reboots. |
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| There are dozens of characters I could not care less doing something. Fighting, dying, talking. And protag is not doing anything. You can replace him with a log and nothing will change. Last two episodes could be cut out without anything lost to the story. It is given that twins card will be played and the rest is just a drag. |
| Adaptations like Umineko and ReWrite have a score of 6.5 - 7+ while this has a 5.99 Why need haters when the fans will kill the series itself for them, pathetic |
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dailybread said: FireFistYK said: Adaptations like Umineko and ReWrite have a score of 6.5 - 7+ while this has a 5.99 Why need haters when the fans will kill the series itself for them, pathetic Why are you so mad? The rating fit your criteria perfectly. Anime that had potential but couldn't deliver. I'm not really mad, I just think that people are overreacting a bit on here. I think it's a fine anime that definitely captures the overall feel of Muv Luv even with its shortcomings. Also, A 5.99 at MAL doesn't equal what I feel, anime that are rated as "bad" are often under 7, not to speak of those under 6. |
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Lucifrost said: Djisas said: Had no clue what was going on, who was who and what they all fighting for... I recognized Akane. I have no idea who any of her comrades are supposed to be. Danpmss said: For a recent example, there was Rozen Maiden's latest anime, which is a sequel to the manga counterpart that tries to cram a bunch of stuff from the manga that differs from the anime in the first episode (like, 10 volumes supercut in 22 minutes), and all of the rest is a great adaptation for the manga sequel lol. Same can be said for Kuroshitsuji's latest TV anime, it tries to standalone out of the anime original continuity and have an extra episode to give more or less the context to comprehend what happened that far in with some flashbacks and anime original content (like this anime did), equally also growing up to be the best adaptation of the manga content so far. I had no trouble understanding either of those reboots. Eh, that's not really the issue here. It's more on the fact that you either are knowledgeable about the multiple continuity issues and retcons, or won't get much of a thing on them both as standalones. So I assume you were at least familiar with their content in the first place, because the stuff missing on those reboots as standalones paints a rather positive light for this adaptation, really haha |
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| Just wanted to say that the TSF mecha action scenes of this arc are pretty darn good. I obviously already know the plot, so gimme some badass TSF action eyecandy and im content lol. |
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| Its funny how this is all unfolding, it all started all complicated and with many emotions with some science... but not its shoot shoot shoot yikes return the hime lolz. |
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| I took a break after episode 6, when I came in again I thought that could get awesome, but this Shogune rescue mission or whatever really crashed this season. I understand what they wanted to express, but it is meaningless actually. It would have been easier to give her a proper pilot suit instead of discussions about the pros and cons of medicine usage for two episodes. An anime about Beta without beta XD I guess they won't get a second more of screentime. |
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| That is good, enough time to clear the VN |
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I hope so ^^ the infighting among the allies was just sad, when there is a bigger threat around. |
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| Well she survived at least, but now it's a good old stand off. |
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| The series was pacing decently up until now... suddenly everyone is just standing still and monologuing.. sad this pointless civil war is getting stretched out so much, as several characters have mentioned none of this shit matters with humanity on the brink of extinction vs killer aliens zzzzz |
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