Does anyone agree with me when I say Tsubaki and Kaori are assholes? [SPOILERS]

germanhaikyusimp said:
Finally, people who feel the same way. I actually dropped the series because of those two. I just couldn't stand Tsubaki's and Kaori's behaviour anymore. That's of course not the only reason, but definitely the main one

LfanT_ said:
If you have not understood why Kaori behaves like this, you have never been in love.

Prathyush7 said:
Same for tsubaki, right?

Bizaster said:
I hated these two characters, SO MUCH. They abuse, make fun of, and control Kousei (who has some INSANE PTSD), and everyone lets it slide because it’s “comedy”.

The worst part? You’re basically NOT allowed to hate Kaori in this community, because (SPOILERS) she dies. Of course her death was sad, and I definitely felt something, but that doesn’t change my opinion on her.

Does anyone else feel the same?

Neckadia said:
I just made the account.Finally someone who thinks the same way.kaori is a bi#ch.That bitch was so selfish.she was like I'm dying so I will do whatever I want.she forced her way into his life,made him go through all that trauma again because she wanted to play with him. Don't forget that bitch was manipulate.She abused him so many times even though he was abused in the past.I was happy when that bitch died.She is trash.period

Jim_Heart said:
Many YLiA fanboys are trash. But if you pay attention even the anime itself portrayed/admitted that Kaori was a flawed and selfish girl. Kousei also think like that.

curlywurlie said:
Yes, I agree. In fact how the show handled trauma overall was...

It's not even about how likeable their characters were, they understood the MC in such a shallow way and reinforced toxic positivity. I watched this show cause I related to Kousei's struggles but whenever they'd say "people have it worse than you" + joke bullying and stuff like that, it would make me flinch. I wouldn't want a love interest or a friend who motivates me in that manner. Sad, I really thought this show would help me overcome the backlash I faced from the music world but the messages were so hollow.

Chiibi said:
Omg...I did not like a single female character in this...except for Nagi maybe. Yes, the two main girls are freaking horrible...they abuse Kousei again and again for no good reason "oh it's funny hahaha; it's especially funny because his mom abused him oh but that's serious cause she's his mom; now other girls can abuse him because slapstick is funny haha"

Also this show's "cure trauma from abuse and tragedy by piling on MORE ABUSE AND TRAGEDY" lol f**k off, author.

n__k said:
The reason why I didn't like her, is not because she constantly hit him. But because, she did not bother understanding his feelings, his trauma, his past and constantly forced her selfishness on him. Beating him for not playing piano as she wanted, led him on after confessing to his best friend, played with the feelings of watari, and then she died after forcing kousei through all his past trauma and he magically gets better from all this.
And in the show, it was like, if your mother beat you and force you to play piano as she wants -- trauma, but if a beautiful same age waifu material, possible love interest does this -- all good, comedy.
I would have liked the show if they did not portray her as an angel.

n__k said:
And Tsubaki was nothing more than a love conflict put in to make us cry, but ruined it because of that abusive comedy. I hope Arima finds someone better in the future who does not abuse him, such a pitiful boy.

Amffy said:
Just finished this anime and I agree, these two single handedly ruined this show for me.

LfanT_ said:
If you have not understood why Kaori behaves like this, you have never been in love.

Yumerei said:

You can definitely love someone differently if you really care about their wellbeing and, you know, not just your own. We all know that you have your short lifespan to think about, but your loved ones have their own problems to think about too. If you love someone and force them into doing things "because you love them", you're just loving them for yourself, because if the person you love does not feel loved, that's just toxic, selfish love. This is also what most people who think physical illness>mental illness would do. You're mentally ill? Depressed? See things that are not there? Let me beat/talk some sense to you and you'll be aokay!

LfanT_ said:

I mean, you are taking the kaori's point at the most toxic side, but shes just trying to help him, she just want him to be the happy kid that played the piano, not the teenager that is scared by it. Maybe the way she found to help him was way to aggresive, but she hadnt lot of time to help him, so i dont think shes mistaken at all, as i said before she just wanted to help the man she loved.

Yumerei said:

Not maybe, it WAS way too aggressive. And that was toxic. Someone with a mental illness that severe needs IMMEDIATE medical attention. Schizophrenia worsens over time. He should have been in the hospital WITH kaori the moment hiroko found him in that room. This story is all over the place. Unknown severe physical illness, ignoring SEVERE mental illness - and then miraculously healed, by talk no jutsu. "Maybe it's right", "maybe that's love" NO. Based on how severe Arima's illness was, he should be the first to be hospitalized way before Kaori did. Let me tell you as someone who has suffered psychotic episodes before - what Kaori did was pure fictional and impractical in real life. You don't talk/beat sense to someone who's in psychosis, because if your brain don't listen to you, it won't listen to other people's bs. Watch this anime for enjoyment is fine, but nothing in this anime makes sense.

LfanT_ said:

Youre right, but i didnt wanted to face it in a trully serious way, i know mental illness is a point on this anime, but i think taking it too serious would make the anime nosense.

Igzeivy said:
Those girls are bullies.‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎

Bizaster said:
I hated these two characters, SO MUCH. They abuse, make fun of, and control Kousei (who has some INSANE PTSD), and everyone lets it slide because it’s “comedy”.

The worst part? You’re basically NOT allowed to hate Kaori in this community, because (SPOILERS) she dies. Of course her death was sad, and I definitely felt something, but that doesn’t change my opinion on her.

Does anyone else feel the same?

LfanT_ said:
If you have not understood why Kaori behaves like this, you have never been in love.

Ansh2004 said:

Thanks dude you saved my time from watching this anime and here I thought it will have likable characters but after reading so many other comments and also those defending them here admitting some points about them as the truth I have only found this "The old abusive tsundere but this time with cancer and to make it worse the mc has trauma but the show justifies her actions as helping him and that's not how it works in real life. And it just has good animation. I mean if the shows core theme is trauma and then they include the old abusive and selfish female lead then it isn't even doing it correctly."

cupcake847 said:


1. Realistically, if she was truly in love with him she would have NEVER forced him to play on the piano

2. If she was truly in love with him, she would have NEVER put her hands on him

3. If she was truly in love with him, she would have been okay with his decision to not play on the piano

4. If she was truly in love with him, she would have helped him forget the trauma that his mother put him through in a different way

5. If she was truly in love with him, and most important of all, SHE WOULD HAVE NEVER PRETENDED TO BE DATING HIS BESTFRIEND!😂

It's alllll an influence for women to use guys and men to be simps.

Bizaster said:
I mean, I personally strongly disliked the show, but you should at least give it a shot, I think. I feel like you either end up loving or hating the anime.

Wen_tnuocca said:
Contrary to what you see in anime, most human people don’t go around confessing their love. Kaori denying her true feelings is a completely normal thing. It’s an unrealistic expectation that a romance anime must have a confession of love.

cupcake847 said:


This is the thing about that:
If a woman thinks of a certain man as high value, she can not help but submit; remember women have no control over their emotions. It's true that most romance anime are unrealistic and it's mostly sunshine and rainbows but like I said if they think they are alpha, they will submit I promise I am telling you the truth.

Of course, Kaori can't submit to Kousei because he is a beta male simp, I mean if I was a woman why the fuck would I submit to a guy I can toy around with and doesn't man up?

Bizaster said:
THESE ARE ALL MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY LMAO

Bizaster said:
I hated these two characters, SO MUCH. They abuse, make fun of, and control Kousei (who has some INSANE PTSD), and everyone lets it slide because it’s “comedy”.

The worst part? You’re basically NOT allowed to hate Kaori in this community, because (SPOILERS) she dies. Of course her death was sad, and I definitely felt something, but that doesn’t change my opinion on her.

Does anyone else feel the same?

MrSwingingbison said:


YOOOOOOO
THIS IS FRIKING FACTS
She was so fuking cancer
At least shes dead now :)

Neckadia said:
I just made the account.Finally someone who thinks the same way.kaori is a bi#ch.That bitch was so selfish.she was like I'm dying so I will do whatever I want.she forced her way into his life,made him go through all that trauma again because she wanted to play with him. Don't forget that bitch was manipulate.She abused him so many times even though he was abused in the past.I was happy when that bitch died.She is trash.period

arawra said:
Honestly, I too hated Kaori her existence (even though key to the plot , which is saddening) degraded the enjoyment of this show. I really wanted to love this show to the fullest as I also have a passion for music and many things about this show were amazing such as the ost or vibrant colours, but every time she was mentioned or appeared on screen it just REALLY REALLY annoyed the fuck out of me. Her aggressive attitude was unlikeable to me and clashed with Kousei, she only ever made him feel insecure as the thought of never being good enough for Kaori was always with him. I for one did not care that she died or that she loved Kousei I felt no pity , love or connection to her as a character. I think Tsubaki was more suitable as a love interest as she was literally with Kousei through the hard times during his childhood AND who is going to be with Kousei after the death of Kaori, you guessed right, Tsubaki again. Yes, Kaori made Kousei passionate about music , but her passion just did not get to me , she just felt so artificial. Tsubaki was thrown out of the picture once Kaori showed up and that just did not sit right with me. We all know disliking Kaori is taboo she is the angel that brought meaning to the life of Kousei but fuck was she an annoying angel.

cupcake847 said:


This is the thing about that:
If a woman thinks of a certain man as high value, she can not help but submit; remember women have no control over their emotions. It's true that most romance anime are unrealistic and it's mostly sunshine and rainbows but like I said if they think they are alpha, they will submit I promise I am telling you the truth.

Of course, Kaori can't submit to Kousei because he is a beta male simp, I mean if I was a woman why the fuck would I submit to a guy I can toy around with and doesn't man up?