Hate Ergo Proxy or Love it ????
| Just wondering why people dislike the show mainly due to its writing and story. I admit it was confusing at first but it eventually begins to shape it's identity I'm really stumped |
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| because it's boring, almost no action and random talk, you don't even understand the setting, who build the domes? why is it dangerous outside? and it's not like the show feeds you info, you have to follow it carefully to understand it. some episodes are confusing and look ridiculou, the mall episode for ex. also they explain the plot in a weid weel of fortune episode where everything is happy and cute. I understand why people don't like it and the concepts are hard to tackle, all that stuff about the proxies and what they are. anyways, I love the anime, the manga is a gem too, it tells a story happening some time before. |
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Catalano said: because it's boring, almost no action and random talk, you don't even understand the setting, who build the domes? why is it dangerous outside? and it's not like the show feeds you info, you have to follow it carefully to understand it. some episodes are confusing and look ridiculou, the mall episode for ex. also they explain the plot in a weid weel of fortune episode where everything is happy and cute. I understand why people don't like it and the concepts are hard to tackle, all that stuff about the proxies and what they are. anyways, I love the anime, the manga is a gem too, it tells a story happening some time before. I agree with your post on the plot exposition and writing. I think a reason what attracts me to the show is that it feels so different after watching a lot of other anime that this kinda feels like strange and alluring which is what dragged me into the medium but after each series consumed it felt like I'd grown accustomed to it which made me sad but Ergo Proxy feels so enticing |
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| The show is very dense. Usually, this isn't a problem. If invested, I'll take the time to try and truly understand everything. But, this show was so mind-numbingly boring, slow, and uninteresting that I didn't feel like putting in the effort to understand it. |
| It's pretentious, redundant, and "Tell, don't show" type of show. |
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| Ergo proxy rating 7.93 How can you tell people don't like it |
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| First of all, Ergo Proxy doesn't have a low score, with or without considering it's airing time and genre. But I agree that Ergo Proxy's "haters" are more vocal than Lain's or Texhnolyze's "haters". From what I heard, many people call it the perfect example of pretentious anime. I disagree with it though. |
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| I remember the first 7 episodes were amazing psychological mystery with great atmosphere, then it went to become silly romantic comedy after Vincent and Mayor escape from the city. After that the last few episodes try to wrapped up said 7 episodes but it's a case of too little too late. It's not typical anime that you see often but I still think it was shit. |
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| I just thought it was dull and, frankly ugly. I'm really not a fan of the "all-grey muted colour palette" and it doesn't help cover up some really bad artwork around the show's midsection, which is where I dropped it. The only thing I kinda liked was the character design, which I think is the main reason a lot of people get drawn to the show. I know I get at least a little hypnotised when I look at Re-l, she's gorgeous. Her eye shadow's the only thing in this show that's got any colour to it so it draws you in like a moth to a flame. |
| I watched the first episode, and felt like it was just a boring version of Bladerunner. Maybe I was harsh and should return to it? |
| I dunno, people always either say it's boring, which is understandable since that's mainly a subjective thing, or just throw around buzzwords like "pretentious" and the like without ever really elaborating on why it's bad. |
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| Because it´s boring and it barely develop any real plot, until it decides to do so in the weirdest way I´ve seen in anime. Who decided to drop all the infodump in a "Who wants to be a millionaire?" format?. People who weren´t paying attention to that episode missed like 80% of what really happened in the series, and the protagonist barely interacts or does something interesting. It´s one of my favorites, but I can totally see why people just don´t like it. It happened to me with Texhnolyze, which shares some similarities with Proxy. |
| I think it takes some admirable risks, the mystery is pretty cool, it's a thoughtful anime with decent characters and a somewhat unique situation. Ultimately I think it is just a little boring both in execution and in terms of the territory it covers philosophically. I like when a show explores philosophical themes, but I didn't feel the themes uncovered by the end were examined in a way that shows them to be relevant to real life, or to my life at least. Questions about things like what humans would do with god-like power, what God is like, is fate real, etc. are a little too grand. They're just not that important to me. On top of that, some of the episodes in the latter part of the series that were about characterizing the main protagonists while they were travelling together were hit or miss. Episodes like Pino's dream or the game show, I can only describe them as, like, Cowboy Bebop-esque breaks into a what feels like an alternate reality. But the show lacks the charm of Cowboy Bebop and doesn't pull that off as well. On the other hand I really liked the episode where Re-L is struggling to cope with the endless monotony of their trip. Very relatable >.> Some of those episodes were really boring and I felt a few times that I couldn't wait for the series to just get to the conclusion. I don't really love or hate the show honestly so I'm not sure I can vote ^_^;; |
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| It's just frustrating to watch. Action is barely there and after feasting my eyes on some tasteful direction from Shinbo, Araki or Oonuma in which they make narration look good, it's a challenge to go through some parts of that show to reach the climax towards the end. It rewards you for your effort to stick with it until the end. When you reach that ending, you tell yourself "I'm glad I watched it" but when you have time to sit down and look over the entire thing you realize that it's simply not a masterpiece |
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| I love Ergo Proxy. I seen it five or six times already. |
-Ryu said: I dunno, people always either say it's boring, which is understandable since that's mainly a subjective thing, or just throw around buzzwords like "pretentious" and the like without ever really elaborating on why it's bad. Pretentious is one of the most vague words to describe something and people just throw "pretentious". "What do you think about it?" "It's pretentious". "Hmm how so?" "Being pretentious". |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
| I love that show. Somehow I get the feeling people claiming it to be "pretentious" seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding what the word means. As for it being boring, I can see that but actions not really the point of the story |
| I was super bored and confused all through episode 01. But my friend adored it and watched the whole thing. xD |
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| Ergo Proxy is amazing, unfortunaly it's too hard to understand for some people |
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| Not sure what you mean, historically it has rated high among reviewers on various sites, and the average user rating is usually fairly high as well. I would say the general perception is that it's a great show, but not a legendary one. I find that Ergo Proxy is an experience that gets better after repeat viewings, the rich setting and themes lend itself well to rewatching. It also has quite a unique sound profile, one of the most slept on anime soundtracks. I think every anime fan ought to try it, but admittedly it is missing that special something to propel into the top class. If I had to pinpoint what that missing something is, perhaps the journey was not as rewarding an experience as I had hoped it to be. |
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| This is news to me lol. Over the years I kept hearing how good Ergo Proxy is and got it recommended numerous times. I need to get on to watching it to form an opinion, but it seems like something I'll enjoy from what I heard. I'm a big fan of action, but I don't mind dialogue at all if it is well-written. I'd even go as far to say I prefer it. |
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Timebomb420 said: This is news to me lol. Over the years I kept hearing how good Ergo Proxy is and got it recommended numerous times. I need to get on to watching it to form an opinion, but it seems like something I'll enjoy from what I heard. I'm a big fan of action, but I don't mind dialogue at all if it is well-written. I'd even go as far to say I prefer it. Every time heard it brought up by name in a youtube video i would hear how "pretentious it is" or how its so confusing |
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| Because they have the attention span of a goldfish. They like to be told what's happening rather than inferring it through the subtext. Character growth is just all about upgrading to Super Saiyan 2 for them. |
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Dunky said: Not sure what you mean, historically it has rated high among reviewers on various sites, and the average user rating is usually fairly high as well. I would say the general perception is that it's a great show, but not a legendary one. I find that Ergo Proxy is an experience that gets better after repeat viewings, the rich setting and themes lend itself well to rewatching. It also has quite a unique sound profile, one of the most slept on anime soundtracks. I think every anime fan ought to try it, but admittedly it is missing that special something to propel into the top class. If I had to pinpoint what that missing something is, perhaps the journey was not as rewarding an experience as I had hoped it to be. Its really confusing in that first quarter and it can be slightly frustrating but i felt the most enjoyable feeling getting to find out the little answers given but i was surprised at how well the dialogue and interactions between characters were and I also think the main characters are what actually hold up this anime. The show has bizarre episodes to be sure which can be seen as heavy info dumb episodes like episode 15 but after that heavy episode were subject to one of the best episodes in the entire series were their is a heavy emphasis on character actions and interactions over the passage of time that shows great character development |
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SethBigBoss said: Ergo Proxy is amazing, unfortunaly it's too hard to understand for some people I think its for people who have watched too much of the same old and need a new breather its definitely not a anime for people just getting into anime i feel like if you enjoyed "Angels Egg" then ergo proxy is for you |
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| It's nice. Nice idea, nice setting. But it's not perfect and it has nothing too special after all. And it has two great flaws: its weird and out of place fillers which destroy all the mood, and its poor finale. |
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Nemo_Niemand said: It's nice. Nice idea, nice setting. But it's not perfect and it has nothing too special after all. And it has two great flaws: its weird and out of place fillers which destroy all the mood, and its poor finale. Id have to agree with the fillers and it is not very memorable and has nothing that lets it stand out but i think the a portion of the fillers help add to the shows themes and atmosphere but like you said some can just plane take you out of the experience like "who wants to be in jeopardy" |
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| I'd recommend you to try Texhnolyze. It's the same cyberpunk, but with no "funnies" and more stylish and thought provoking. You loved Angel Egg, so I think you'll deal with its meditative narration and weirdness. And why haven't you watched Lain yet? It's a must. |
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| it's too complex for some people, i guess |
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TheGuiltMan said: I completely agree, it can be slightly frustrating at first when it feels like it's meandering, but the pieces end up falling into place nicely as the show progresses, and it becomes more and more fun to hang out with the characters. I feel the same in that the character interactions are largely what hold up the show. It's a rarity to get good dialogue in anime, so it's definitely a stand-out in that sense. Its really confusing in that first quarter and it can be slightly frustrating but i felt the most enjoyable feeling getting to find out the little answers given but i was surprised at how well the dialogue and interactions between characters were and I also think the main characters are what actually hold up this anime. The show has bizarre episodes to be sure which can be seen as heavy info dumb episodes like episode 15 but after that heavy episode were subject to one of the best episodes in the entire series were their is a heavy emphasis on character actions and interactions over the passage of time that shows great character development |
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Dunky said: TheGuiltMan said: I completely agree, it can be slightly frustrating at first when it feels like it's meandering, but the pieces end up falling into place nicely as the show progresses, and it becomes more and more fun to hang out with the characters. I feel the same in that the character interactions are largely what hold up the show. It's a rarity to get good dialogue in anime, so it's definitely a stand-out in that sense. Its really confusing in that first quarter and it can be slightly frustrating but i felt the most enjoyable feeling getting to find out the little answers given but i was surprised at how well the dialogue and interactions between characters were and I also think the main characters are what actually hold up this anime. The show has bizarre episodes to be sure which can be seen as heavy info dumb episodes like episode 15 but after that heavy episode were subject to one of the best episodes in the entire series were their is a heavy emphasis on character actions and interactions over the passage of time that shows great character development yeah i was genuinely surprised also it has some funny humor i didnt expect like Re-L losing her mind over the toilet seat is so fricking hilarious and even the smaller things like vincent having a hole in his sock and the way he covers the hole like what a normal person would do im not going to rant anymore sorry Im just in the middle of loving this show |
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Rishiri said: it's too complex for some people, i guess I think its more like you either need to have a taste for this kind of arthouse film or have watched too much mainstream stuff and are looking for something new and interesting |
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Nemo_Niemand said: I'd recommend you to try Texhnolyze. It's the same cyberpunk, but with no "funnies" and more stylish and thought provoking. You loved Angel Egg, so I think you'll deal with its meditative narration and weirdness. And why haven't you watched Lain yet? It's a must. I've only recently heard of lain but the concept sounds very dai satou like Nemo_Niemand said: I'd recommend you to try Texhnolyze. It's the same cyberpunk, but with no "funnies" and more stylish and thought provoking. You loved Angel Egg, so I think you'll deal with its meditative narration and weirdness. And why haven't you watched Lain yet? It's a must. Im not sure why it flew under my radar all these years it might be because i was more of a manga guy I like reading more plus I never really searched for anime i just kinda watched whatever was in my recommendation on youtube i was a bit late to animated movies I've never seen a Hayao Miyazaki film except for part of Kikis Delivery but first animated movie i watched was Akira and Perfect Blue which my counselor recommended so i watched Satoshi Kons other movies |
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Nemo_Niemand said: It's nice. Nice idea, nice setting. But it's not perfect and it has nothing too special after all. And it has two great flaws: its weird and out of place fillers which destroy all the mood, and its poor finale. Ergo Proxy has no fillers. In the first place, it's an anime original with no preceding manga or other source material it derives from, so everything that is in the series is canon content intended to be there. And second, every single episode without exception is absolutely relevant and augments the story the series is seeking to tell - if not directly narratively in a simple A - Z linear fashion, then thematically. Every episode is there for a reason and the ones folks commonly decry as "filler" aren't actually filler. It's just not a traditional linear-told story. Episodes that focus on Slice of Life, surrealist dream and introspective psychological sequences, bottle episodes, side journeys, and exposition and worldbuiding are every bit as relevant to the whole as the more traditionally structured plot-advancing episodes. The series wouldn't be what it is without them, would be more "lean" and consequently run-of-the-mill but ultimately just a "streamlined", lesser product for zero benefit. |
| I really enjoyed the heck out of the first 8 episodes. Captivating, intense, amazing. It had everything going on. And oh man, did I LOVE that episode 8, INTENSE But starting on episode 9, the anime just wasnt the same. And im not talking about "boring" or "too dialogue". The anime lost what made it amazing, even before the middle episodic episodes. The WOW moments were no longer as intense or captivating. It really became a drag to keep on watching, especially when REAL and Vincent were together alone in the later episodes. I honestly just stopped caring for everything. Not even the beauty of REAL could keep me interested |
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