@stahlmam14 No, it definitely is canon. Just not to the Tsukihime remake's Melty timeline (yet??? (if you know, you know)).
Also the fact that you say HF manga isn't canon is ridiculous. All of them are canon, it's a multiverse. As much as I hate to admit, even retarded shit like KnK movie 6 is canon to Nasuverse, though not to the KnK novels, only to itself as a separate wacky anime timeline (and the same logic applies to any and every Type-Moon adaptation ever). The conclusion is source material trumps all, although there are cases where some gaps in the lore get expanded or more thoroughly explained through the help of adaptations in a solid way (whether it be only fitting in their own secluded timeline or even potentially fitting into the source material timeline's lore), so content like that is not to be dismissed but rather welcomed. There are some especially egregious adaptations out there like KnK 6, though, that only make shit worse... But anyway
If the contradiction in Rojiura Nightmare you're thinking of was Lev(Flauros) dying with words "the Incineration may not even start", you've not thinking hard enough. Get your theory-crafting brain on full power and don't forget to read Clock Tower 2015. In the worst case scenario it's all canon to the original FGO timeline with the exception of our original FGO's Lev(Flauros) not dying there as opposed to this possibly self-contained FGO-like parallel world where the Incineration is prevented (it not being our FGO Flauros would be a great use of subversion). Some wild theory could be that in this manga we're seeing our Lev(Flauros) after he escaped from the Temple of Time before he could become another "remnant" post-Solomon singularity and the line actually carried the meaning of not being able to start the plan all over again.
But I was just yapping before to demonstrate how a little bit of imagination could explain it in other directions. Now I will actually tell you what really happened: Lev(Flauros) we're seeing is not from the original FGO timeline but is actually from Tsukihime/Mahoyo timelines and the original Lev's personality from those timelines who kills Flauros right HERE was indeed one of the 3 "selves" that he had to kill to prevent the Incineration within those timelines (which is what the dying Flauros was ACTUALLY referring to with that line because in those timelines the Incineration did not start and was indeed prevented) and it was only possible due to the fissure in spacetime. Tsukihime/Mahoyo timelines simply got lucky that FGO timeline experienced the Incineration first before them to trigger this multiversal fissure which leads to one of Lev's coming to his senses are killing himself in this elaborate way. The original Lev who set up the trap for his "future self" that we see die in this manga appeared as a recorded message after the trap got activated, he was not actually there. The trap was set up by Lev himself BEFORE he completely turned into the Demon God Flauros. This is what is actually going on here. And if anyone reading this doesn't believe me, read Ordeal Call 1, Clock Tower 2015, and then come back and read this manga again. Btw, I did briefly mention about Tsukihime/Mahoyo timelines being lucky because FGO timelines happen first on the multiversal scale, but it was only the in-universe explanation. It has another layer to it where it only comes down to the meta narrative separation of those worlds from Fate worlds and it being the reason for why multiple Incinerations in multiple FGO-like (or adjacent) timelines like FGO Arcade, for example, were also happening across multiverse.
Also, if "contradicting the game itself" was not referring to that Lev statement, then I'm afraid you needed to do even more research to understand other stuff things (like Logos React). There is also a matter of the fan translation being incorrect on a couple of points because the manga itself was just that dank and confusing for the translators during the Zepia/TATARI scene in particular (although I'm not gonna cut them slack for their errors), but that's an issue with TATARI translations being wonky in general. You can see a couple of deep lore lines being incorrectly translated in the original Melty manga too. That TATARI scene would only raise questions if you read both MB and MBBAN mangas in Japanese to understand it properly. It basically boils down to potentially foreshadowing some Tsukihime 2 plotlines during the explanation of TATAI's motivation in Melty Blood manga (chapter 27) and then seemingly altering it in the simulated reality from Logos inside which Sion seems to encounter a TATARI where he has a different motivation or something(chapter 6)? Whether it's simply a differently simulated timeline from Melty Blood manga's original TATARI's motivation or a typo or retcon doesn't entirely matter until we get that shit cleared up in Tsukihime 2 (potentially). TATARI situation still doesn't mess with the overall points of the story and the canonicity of the rest of the manga, specifically regarding both Levs, FGO's Atlas, both Sions, and Olga. Another big confusing meta lore thing that we did not get fully explained from this manga is how Archetype:Earth works in FGO timeline and how she is connected to the other timelines. It could be that she, like Sion, was also affected by the fracture in spacetime that rippled across multiverse by the act of Incineration of Humanity (as was shown way back in 2014 during CT2015 before FGO even came out btw) and was also how she got her consciousness(?) summoned from Melty timeline for a brief moment by Archetype:Earth of FGO timeline. Maybe Archetype:Earth can really just do that regardless of spacetime fissures happening or not under some special circumstance. That shared consciousness thing we don't understand yet, but it's fine. There's clearly more to being a terminal of the planet than we realize and I'm not gonna go into whether she can actually prune shit under certain conditions or not, as some people were quick to claim. For that additional Arc and Archetype lore we would have to wait until Tsukihime 2 most likely. I didn't really expect it being brought up in the Tsukihime collab event when that comes to FGO eventually, but who knows? My expectations certainly jumped after reading Mahoyo collab, so maybe? Was the reason Arc from Tsukihime worlds could be summoned into a Fate world of FGO because of the fissure in spacetime or was it because the world of FGO was just that broken? Was she able to do this because she is connected to Archetype:Earth whose existence is transcendent over the boundary of Tsukihime/Fate worlds in some way? Was it actually fucking Neco Arc with her gag character magic powers that made Saber and FGO servants summonable in Type Lumina? We don't know! However, just because we don't know every minute detail of this manga will not suddenly make the whole manga not canon. Until we get further explanations in the matter of Archetype:Earth as a terminal of the planet and how it interacts with Arcueid in detail (among other things), it's all up to speculation.
This manga is batshit insane and Nasu had some massive balls to mix this deep lore that would only be understood years later side by side with Neco's meta overpowered gag character shenanigans and a CD drama adaptation of a beach episode that was half-happening in the background (also, only those who listened to that melty blood cd drama waaaay before getting to the point of reading this manga after reaching all the way to the FGO timeline would understand how deep this craziness can shock someone). It's batshit insane in the best of ways if you understand it properly and don't read shit out of order. It gets especially good on subsequent rereads the further you get into the FGO timeline, too. If you shut down your brain due to your lack of knowledge, however, you will not enjoy yourself (and let that be a warning to any normies who might read this for some reason). It's blatantly canon. The only reason some people think it's not was because it was translated way before CT2015 and also OC1 (that only came out last year in 2023 on JP!) actually helped quite a bit to understand that "OG Lev's death trap" scene better. Nasu had some crazy ass foreshadowing skills to wanna make this manga a thing even before Part 1 finale came out on JP. There might actually still be some super minor details we would only understand after finishing Part 2 entirely. Do not write this manga off yet. We might need another reread in the future boyos!
This is definitely in the top 3 of the most difficult Nasu's works (along with CT2015 and Last Encore). It's a highly re-readable manga full of hope for various characters within it alongside deep lore and foreshadowing for the biggest Type-Moon followers who are really the only ones who would understand its true value and enjoy the reading experience the most as it was intended. It's no wonder the score for it on MAL is this low when the people who could even piece this manga together to its currently possible extent are so few and far between. Everything culminating together in turn keeps fooling some people into thinking this manga is bad or not canon when it's anything but those two things. |
