| Thanks for bringing these characters to our attention, let me address some of the cases: the girl from Akashic Records: the character is inconsistent, definitely someone suggested this one at some point, had me watching about 1/3 of that anime just to see if she would complete her characterization, I personally can't agree on her belonging to any particular group, sparse traits end up in the EL list, decided against it. Death March: didn't watch, but dandere is a bit of a uncharted territory right now. Rachel was a huge "non-indexable" case a few years back, she didn't have an anime then, now I really didn't take the time to watch Satsuriku no Tenshi, but if the story plays out in the same way as the game did, she would get a yes from me right now, unless the VA just botched her performance badly. Saginomiya Shiori (168494) This one looks interesting. (very recent too, might be why it went under the radar) Igarashi Yukio (174609): Not sure, doesn't look like one at first glance. Gripen (163456): Not sure. Sophie Twilight (147019): Saw that one, suspected she might be -- didnt like what I saw. Chiyoda Momo (170467) Now this one doesn't even remotely seem to be one of our girls. Yuzuha: Definitely took the time to read the novel just for this one, she is gloomy and depressive, but not one of our girls by definition, I think it's one of those things that people immediately associate with kuudere, the hair and mannerisms, but just like tomboy doesn't equal cool, gloomy doesn't equal EG. Her voice is spot on most of the time, I'll give you that. As you can see most of your nominations were already discussed or reviewed before, besides Rachel, I don't think there's a perfectly eligible candidate. But I can tell you that at the very least that purple haired girl is worth checking. |
DrMondaiNashiMay 18, 2020 10:10 PM
| It's good that people are taking some time to post some possible candidates (and also explaining why they would be a good fit), I'd recommend taking some of these to kuuderes_shadow and see what's her/his opinion on them, shadow is the only one admin who has been consistently active for as far as I recall, he/she might feel like checking some of them if you can convince her/him Worth a shot, all I'm saying. |
DrMondaiNashi said: Chiyoda Momo (170467) Now this one doesn't even remotely seem to be one of our girls. She's a LOT closer than her appearance would suggest. I was actually considering a thread for her for quite a few episodes, but I'm pretty sure she could only fall into the EL category - she only has 3 of the kuudere traits and only one of them (trait 2, so quite a weak one) isn't borderline, and describing her as outright emotionless would be way too much of a stretch, although there are hints of possible weak EG class B traits (we see almost none of her backstory in the anime, though). Regarding the others... I gave my thoughts on Re=L at the time, but the fact I can't find where I did suggests it was probably in the KDEG of the Year nominations thread for that year. Suffice to say that I don't think she counts. I'm not familiar with any of the others on the list. I do have the first volume of the Death March novels, though, which I've never gotten around to reading. I'll probably bump it up on my reading list, and if she shows up and looks to have potential then I'll check out how the anime portrays her. Joshikousei no Mudazakai also definitely looks worth watching, for its own sake as well as for the character. |
kuuderes_shadowMay 21, 2020 12:05 AM
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Ok so... Arisa Kuroda (136699): As from the description she has already, she is good at sports. She is also very expressionless and doesn't show much emotion, (e.g. she was tickled and she still maintained a pokerface) though she has been seen embarrassed (from panties peek??) Rio Futaba (163452): How she isn't here is kinda surprising. As from the description she has already, she is cool and calm, and very intelligent. Sanae Tsukimoto (140925): She is cool and calm, rarely (maybe never) has shown any expression. She pinches Mina's cheeks whenever she does something that annoys her. She is also really good at running. Yachiyo Nanami (166761): Not too sure with this one. But she is like Akemi Homura only she is nicer and thinks a lot about others. She is usually cool and calm and doesn't show much expression. She also likes to distance herself from others. Yukino Yukinoshita (67067): Not here??? Shizu Delta (118349): I haven't seen Overlord in a while but she is cool and calm if memory serves well. Vanilla (123343): Dunno how she isn't here already but, again, she has already, "Quiet, calm and very stoic. She rarely expresses her emotions" Blake Belladonna (134541): Not too sure from later series onwards but, as from the description "cool and collected characters" Ena Ibarada (165460): Not too sure with this one ngl. Rein Kashiwagi (124358): Great marksmanship, as well as cool and calm, she also cares much about the people around her. Rizu Ogata (148393): Smart as hell in maths, also is cool and calm most of the time. But I'm not too sure about her since she can get flustered easily sometimes, (maybe dandere side). |
NextUniverse said: Rio Futaba (163452): How she isn't here is kinda surprising. As from the description she has already, she is cool and calm, and very intelligent. Previously rejected. Not a high enough score on kuudere traits. NextUniverse said: Sanae Tsukimoto (140925): She is cool and calm, rarely (maybe never) has shown any expression. She pinches Mina's cheeks whenever she does something that annoys her. She is also really good at running. suggested by tsubasalover as well, determined to have a role which is too minor, with sparse and sporadic appearances which give no insight about her character and/or personality, whatsoever .. sadly, we have a number of those examples. NextUniverse said: Yachiyo Nanami (166761): Not too sure with this one. But she is like Akemi Homura only she is nicer and thinks a lot about others. She is usually cool and calm and doesn't show much expression. She also likes to distance herself from others. This one is obscure. Since she only appears on that sequel. Does this character have at least one episode centered on her? this is important to know. NextUniverse said: Yukino Yukinoshita (67067): Not here??? There was an attempt. I mean, I tried to get some of the staff to give her a chance .. I'm personally not sold on her .. but how many seasons of Oregairu are there? maybe there's something in her characterization that can lead us on the right direction. We don't take a character for granted just because her nickname is "Ice Queen" and I guess most of the staff don't care much about that anime. NextUniverse said: Shizu Delta (118349): I haven't seen Overlord in a while but she is cool and calm if memory serves well. I think we have a winner. Thanks for letting us know, as you can see, no one here watched Overlord. I guess it will depend on how much is actually revealed about her .. but she's looking good at first glance. NextUniverse said: Vanilla (123343): Dunno how she isn't here already but, again, she has already, "Quiet, calm and very stoic. She rarely expresses her emotions" Not sure how is that a way to describe her, does not qualify in the game, and didn't even bother to look at the anime. I always remember how the guys from Euphonium define Reina as "stoic" .. baffles me, but I don't know. Some people have a weird concept for what stoic is (I don't use that word very much) (just watched some cliips .. they gave her a nice voice, that's for sure, not enough to be an EG I'm afraid) NextUniverse said: Ena Ibarada (165460): Not too sure with this one ngl. She is what they call a loli hag, or nojaloli, her voice is the stereotypical voice for such characters, very smart and normally a loner, but if she can't fulfill the voice criterion it's not good enough. Can't be entered as EG for many reasons. NextUniverse said: Rein Kashiwagi (124358): Great marksmanship, as well as cool and calm, she also cares much about the people around her. I remember seeing her once. I don't remember why I didn't look any further into her character. NextUniverse said: Rizu Ogata (148393): Smart as hell in maths, also is cool and calm most of the time. But I'm not too sure about her since she can get flustered easily sometimes, (maybe dandere side). Not a match in voice, emotional lability, high compliance .. she's a normal girl. Albeit a smart one. Thanks for your input, it will be considered for future nominations. |
DrMondaiNashiMay 24, 2020 12:49 PM
| Regarding Yukinoshita... her inclusion or otherwise depends entirely on whether you can align her with trait 3 on the kuudere scale. She has traits 1 and 5 so clearly that even if she only has a very weak trait 3 I'd be willing to suggest her, but I've never been able to make my mind up about whether or not she does. Delta doesn't come across that way at all to me in the novels... She's opinionated, jealous and spends most of the time hugging things she considers cute. I don't remember her ever being described in lanuage to suggest emotionlessness either, but that may just be me not really registering it. It'd take a fairly radically different interpretation of her character in the anime for me to even consider her, but it's not inconceivable. @DrMondaiNashi - Yachiyo is very definitely a main character of the series. I'm already watching it (gradually) but probably won't make my mind up until the end. |
kuuderes_shadowMay 26, 2020 12:04 AM
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Delta doesn't come across that way at all to me in the novels... She's opinionated, jealous and spends most of the time hugging things she considers cute. I don't remember her ever being described in lanuage to suggest emotionlessness either, but that may just be me not really registering it. It'd take a fairly radically different interpretation of her character in the anime for me to even consider her, but it's not inconceivable. That's interesting, I remember something similar happening to Hitagi. I'm going under the assumption we have a C type EG here, she doesn't appear on every episode, that is going to make it hard for me, because it will take longer to find every reference, but she makes at least one appearance on every season, there has to be something, I feel that if it is there, it will be obvious. Now, I agree with you on Yukinoshita, no matter how you look at it, she's always missing something, it could be that some people believe that being cool is about being an insensitive jerk, not sure who started this trend, it's never been like that before, even if some girls were snarky, it was never a defining trait, just an occasional finding. We have that blue-haired girl from Ryuu no Oshigoto, she has everyone claiming she's cool, and I don't know why, she's clearly some form of tsundere with way too much tsun and a glass of femdom thrown in, since when did this become a defining trait for kuudere? You want dominant EGs? look at Sheffield, dominant kuudere? look at Hitagi, they don't need to be temperamental or say you're worthless in order to prove themselves superior to you, that's just how it works for cool girls in general, they don't tend to show any form of "affectiveness", be it animosity or love, it always harms their performance, even when they're being honest, their "affectiveness" never clouds the way they express themselves. This however, cannot be said about Yukinoshita or that other-girl-whose-name-I-dont-remember. As for Yachiyo, good to know, and well since shadow is already on the case I don't need to look into it, if shadow considers that she is one of our girls I'll make sure to do some research later. |
| Was scrolling through anime-planet to make a list when I saw a kuudere tag and thought there could be some new additions here. What I got was: Nanami Tokou (78515): Wouldn't know since I haven't seen. Just a suggestion. RyuZU (99733): ^ Sargatanas (164513): ^ Ayano Fujimoto (172200): ^ Sakura (145463) : ^ Rea Himuro (136752): ^ Kae Hiiragi (172310): ^ Mirea Mizushima is actually on here despite not being in any animated media. Not sure if she is one of those 1 in 1000 cases or if the admins here missed her out somehow. But I just wanted to point that out. There were other kuuderes listed that aren't even on MAL's database, but I don't think they are worth the addition since: Kirana Chandra (no anime adaption) Yuri So (no anime adaption) Syoco (very minor role?) |
DrMondaiNashi said: Not sure if you even care, but there was a stoic tag for anime-planet listing too, if there could be something to add from there:Some people have a weird concept for what stoic is (I don't use that word very much) https://www.anime-planet.com/characters/all?gender_id=2&include_tags=464 |
| oh THAT ONE Nanami, yes, of course I remember, everyone was going crazy for Astarte and at some point this girl who only appears on like 2 episodes and then dies comes up, I was this close, I mean SO very close to adding her (back then admins could just add characters on the spot) and I swear I had to rewatch these two episodes at least 2 times, and I still couldn't decide. we didn't have EG categories at that point, I was just unable to decide whether she would be filed under EG or kuudere, the fact that she barely said anything on those two episodes doesn't help, that moment when she smiled felt like a stab on my foot, I probably physically flinched when I saw that. Oh man, what memories. Extremely borderline case, with very obvious EG .. possibly B? flags, and wanna know what's the worst part? if someone were to create a thread for her these days, I would have to rewatch the two motherflipping episodes again, and I would feel the same way about her sadly. RyuZU was suggested by .. someone, and I rejected her. Rea from Sankarea, not a chance bud. Mirea was probably added by Zettai, I know for a fact that both he, and Gpg, loved to add manga only characters, that's why we have a handful of those. I'll leave the rest for later but, that Sargatanas .. it's not the first time I've heard that name. and that girl Sakura is looking good too, like one of those from the dandere side with A traits -- I don't watch CGDCT, sorry about that. But hey, we could do this all day, add the girls from vndb and anidb, type sunao cool on the search bar, this is never going to end, as you can see, we have been and still are understaffed, and checking all of these cases manually is too much for only 2 people, we don't do that here, now what I would recommend is, either keep an eye out for those girls in the shows that you normally watch, or just suggest characters from works that you're familiar with, anime you've already watched because you already know a lot about them, so you can provide more information about these characters than anyone else .. unless you're one of those people who watch anime at x2 speed, you should be able to tell us everything about this character without having to spend a whole day trying to remember. Now that would be helpful. Further inquiries will be redirected to the respective thread intended for character suggestions |
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