Island Episode 12 Discussion

x2kill4 said:
... know that he was fallin in love with kuon that rinne in past or future and get married,, so wat happen next with his mission to change the future,, do you thing after married kuon(Rinne) everything gonna be okay??

Kirishiba said:
Why is that lady hiding behind that tree?
Is it me or does she looks like big boobs Sara?

ToG25thBaam said:


Only part I am confused about right now is Ohara Setsuna. Ohara Setsuna had a relationship with ... daughter Rinne? In that hut they mentioned iirc. Then Norimasa found out about that and tried to kill Norimasa? It was confusing.

ToG25thBaam said:

Anyway glad mother Rinné got the happy ending she deserves! The plot is very intriguing but the anime is so freakin bad, wouldn't be able to decipher shit without the help of the VN readers.

edit: oh yeah forgot to mention that I really disliked the loli designs of the girls, they're 17 and above and they look like they're 9. Setsuna also boned his 13 years old sister, 4 years younger than him in Never Island timeline smh.

Cyanwasserstoff said:
Rinne and Setsuna Ohara had an relationship in secret. He lived in the hut of his family. Norimasa found out about the relationship 5 years before Setsuna Sansenkai wakes up on the beach. Norimasa tried to kill his own son, but failed. Setsuna Ohara and Rinne fell into the sea and were stranded on the small Island Boryujima. There he found the Cold Sleep Chamber. In order to protect Rinne, he put her inside the Chamber. He did not know about the real function, but he discovered a life supporting unit installed in that Chamber. The small Island has no real food or drinkable water.

Cyanwasserstoff said:
Sarah Garlando really looked like a little girl in primary school

Cyanwasserstoff said:


It´s Sarah Garlando´s mother Maria Garlando (code name: Arima Uran). She survived the fire on the old shrine.



The visual novel explains the origins of Setsuna (where/when/how), Setsuna was not trying to rescue Island, but Never Island. The visual novel also explains why the world resets. Read on your own risk these spoilers or additional informations

Jonesy974 said:
What what a ride huh?

I actually didnt think it was that bad after all of the pieces came together. I think I went full retard though because I honestly didn't put together that Kuon was Rinne until he saw her again and I was like waiiiiit a minute. Then I assumed that present day Rinne was actually his daughter right away.

Two things I disliked, first was that present day Rinne was best grill for me, so I feel like she kind of got shafted there. Not only does she not get to be with Setsuna because he's her fucking dad, but because hes like 2 years older than her it's almost like she doesn't even have a normal father figure (though it didnt even seem to bother her at the end so I guess that's a plus). I didn't really feel like the Setsuna/Kuon relationship really deserved it because we only got a few episodes of the Never Island, and just during that time it really didnt highlight their relationship too well. I mean yea they declared their love for each other and fucked, but most of their relationship in that time period was skipped over with implied time skips and the time they did have on screen was them hiding from the future church government and shit so they weren't exactly bonding in a meaningful way.


The other thing that bothered me was the scientist girl coming in at the end. She went on that long explanation that there was no such thing as a time machine. He was just literally in stasis for so long that the world fucking reset itself and then history literally repeated itself exactly and he ended up waking up during the exact same time period. That's honestly fucking stupid to me; like the dumbest writing I've ever heard. She's straight up saying that Setsuna was asleep in that pod until the end of human civilization, and then the world reset, and then he was asleep for another 60,000 years through the stone age again all the way through till he got back to 2018? And that it's going to keep happening?

It would've been much simpler, and frankly much better writing for her to say that, originally the pod was only able to be used as a stasis pod to sleep in as time passes, but with the technology in the future they were able to complete it and make it a full fledged time machine. And it only works as a stasis pod during 2018 because they dont have the tech to complete it until Never Island. As for excuse about why there woulnd't be two of him, well it's never said which timeline he originates from, and he travels back in time to the EXACT same point in time every time, so there would be no copy of himself when there's only one of him starting over at the same spot every single time.

Idk, just makes me sense for me to hear "oh, the time machine was completed in the future and it sent you back, and it went to the exact same point so there's no time paradox of you" rather than "oh, there is no time machine, only a stasis pod. You slept through the end of humanity and the restart through the stone age and were asleep for almost 100,000 years till you happened to wake up at the exact repeating point in human history".

And the other thing is, this girl brought this topic up at the very end of the show, when he already figured out who Kuon is. Sure she corrected him on how it happened, but it literally doesnt fucking matter. Her telling him that massive info dump doesnt change the present, it doesnt change the fact that Kuon is Rinne, and there's nothing that can be changed about the circle of humanity restarting. So she dumped that massive doomsday prophecy for no reason whatsoever.

Genjurooo said:

That's unironically worse than the actual anime. It is better to leave why world resets itself unanswered and hint towards the cyclic history (in this case insinuated cyclic human social evolution and cyclic earth's phases) than come up with such nonsensical crap. Glad I didn't play the VN.

Genjurooo said:


Backwards in time travel is not even plausible. Well it is if you travel along with all the universe, but you won't be conscious of it no matter what. The hypothesis of backwards in time travel presented in nearly all media is stupid and nonsensical and totally impossible because it is proposed that in fact all universe goes to an earlier state while you don't. Here since you affect things happening in the universe, the universe can't go back to an earlier state without you. And if you assume that the universe goes back with you, but when this action started a duplicate of you was made that will be like an observer, makes no sense either. Cause
1. if you are external observer and can't interact with the universe means the whole thing was useless
2. if you aren't external observer and instead can affect that earlier state of the universe is dumb and paradoxical because 1+1=3. The whole sum of the universe should be a number less than the one we get in this hypothetical instance which makes this instance impossible. In fact makes the first one impossible on the same basis too (cause all the energy that got into making your duplicate is lost on the duplicate you and thus universe can't go back without that)

BTW paradox is not some cool word to describe "cool and smart" things. It always describes stupid things. Errors is the best word for it. Errors aren't cool or smart, they're stupid mistakes. We still think about them after the first look, to learn from them. But also because there might be a way around them. Well at least for lesser paradoxes, cause for these ones I say with certitude that there is none.

For me, the story of this anime was the best and most surprising since Shinsekai Yori.

Genjurooo said:

This was actually better since a time machine is impossible. I, at one point dropped this show because all the hints at backwards in time time-travel. Knowing with absolute certitude it is impossible, every time-travel story I watch, either in anime or live-action show, gives only way less than half of enjoyment for me than it should give. (I would watch them for the characters and the drama only)

The world reset like end of humanity and most life-forms through cyclic cataclysmic events sounds far more plausible than back in time time-travel. The problem here is that life itself adapts and the next "humanity" (along with most life forms) would have been different. But still again, we see life (again life itself) expereminting with for example Down syndrome kids time and time again. Its learning process is slow and doesn't take shortcuts in order to assure that every angle is covered. This makes it plausible.

Backwards in time travel is not even plausible. Well it is if you travel along with all the universe, but you won't be conscious of it no matter what. The hypothesis of backwards in time travel presented in nearly all media is stupid and nonsensical and totally impossible because it is proposed that in fact all universe goes to an earlier state while you don't. Here since you affect things happening in the universe, the universe can't go back to an earlier state without you. And if you assume that the universe goes back with you, but when this action started a duplicate of you was made that will be like an observer, makes no sense either. Cause
1. if you are external observer and can't interact with the universe means the whole thing was useless
2. if you aren't external observer and instead can affect that earlier state of the universe is dumb and paradoxical because 1+1=3. The whole sum of the universe should be a number less than the one we get in this hypothetical instance which makes this instance impossible. In fact makes the first one impossible on the same basis too (cause all the energy that got into making your duplicate is lost on the duplicate you and thus universe can't go back without that)

BTW paradox is not some cool word to describe "cool and smart" things. It always describes stupid things. Errors is the best word for it. Errors aren't cool or smart, they're stupid mistakes. We still think about them after the first look, to learn from them. But also because there might be a way around them. Well at least for lesser paradoxes, cause for these ones I say with certitude that there is none.

For me, the story of this anime was the best and most surprising since Shinsekai Yori.

BestJo said:
can someone explain me the ending pls? lol
i didnt understand the thing of world reset and where setsuna is from.
and if never island is the past or the future and how kuon (rinne) used the time machine and why she was there befoe setsuna

Jonesy974 said:

I mean, time travel isn't possible given our current understanding and knowledge, doesnt mean its permanently impossible. Traveling faster than light speed also is impossible, isn't stopping leading minds from conducting hypothesis and experiments.

It's actually kind of absurd that your first remark was to dismiss time travel because of it currently being in the realm of science fiction, but for you to think that a person sleeping in a pod through the end of humanity, staying asleep long enough for all of mankind's structures/culture etc to completely be erased from earth, for humanity to re-evolve and restart, and then on top of that for humanity to repeat itself identically every single time from Jesus Christ to Alexander the Great to Abraham Lincoln is "more plausible".

I also dont even know why you went on that little tirade on paradoxes. Nobody described a paradox as a cool thing. Anybody with a third grade education who knows the definition of the word knows a paradox isn't a good thing. Also comparing a paradox to a "stupid mistake" is a pretty horrible comparison.

Cyanwasserstoff said:


In my case I would not call the way the VN handled this matter any worse then how the anime left important connections unexplained. Let me explain my point here:



These explanations are only partly scientific accurate at our standards and world understanding. That is why we are still dealing with a fictional world.

A fictional world is only very loosely connected to the world nature rules we are familiar with. It is based on own nature and physical laws.

You are not wrong based on our own world understanding. That is why these kind of stories are described as Science Fiction. These are only partly based on scientific rules from our world and they are dealing with a completely different world then we live in.

How are paradoxes possible ? In fact they are not in Island. A possible paradox will change history significant. The original world will be altered that the paradox is not present anymore. Setsuna did make a major change that lead to a different past he returned to.

Many stories about time travel are dealing with existing theories about parallel worlds. Do you know the Internet phenomenon called John Titor ? He presented a possible theory how time travelling back to the past could be possible without dealing with paradoxes. Although he did not present any kind of mechanic to make that travel possible. It is still science fiction, but it deals with certain problems of this kind.

Genjurooo said:

I'm an avid sci-fi buff and enjoy it more than I do any other genre, still this is the line where suspension of disbelief ends. Would you suspend your disbelief when you see a cartoon character in a live action show or when you see something like, say, a chair be alive and move by bending its own legs or gelatine have a mouth and talk? I actually would when presented crafty enough. Because anything is possible, bar backwards in time travel. Backward time travel no matter how good is presented, I can't suspend disbelief to something that isn't possible in any shape or form.

Genjurooo said:

You lose yourself into the complexity of the metaphysical explanations of modern theoretical sciences and forget that the universe of now is the result of the interactions of the universe of yesterday. Such a simple thing breaks all theories about time-travel (no matter how complicated they are made to be). When you take Setsuna out of it, you take out not only all he did/affected since his birth, no, you take out all his components that themselves were results of actions before his birth which themselves were results of interactions and so forth until who knows. This means it is totally and utterly and absolutely impossible.

Genjurooo said:

Think of this: You have a drink out of a full bottle of wine, you won't have a full bottle anymore. And that's just in a static moment in time. In time travel hypothesis it would be like the molecules you took out never existed, the particles that made those molecules never existed, the phenomena that made those particles part of the molecules never happened, the phenomena tha lead to those phenomena never happened, all the objects that previously existed with some particles that would be your bottle of wine won't exist either. No chemical element would exist at all since anything radiates, thus affects things that affect things. Everything being intertwined means it is impossible.

Genjurooo said:
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No, it will always be impossible. Faster than light is plausible outside the THEORY of relativity.

Yes, reset thingie is at least plausible and I already explained why. I also pointed that exactly repeating itself to the same degree of "sameness" is a bit much, but still more plausible than backward time travel. You don't get any paradox in it.

There are a lot of kids, teens and even adults that think if a piece of entertainment contains time-travel paradoxes is smart and cool. Even you prefer a paradoxical route to the one we got.




I'm an avid sci-fi buff and enjoy it more than I do any other genre, still this is the line where suspension of disbelief ends. Would you suspend your disbelief when you see a cartoon character in a live action show or when you see something like, say, a chair be alive and move by bending its own legs or gelatine have a mouth and talk? I actually would when presented crafty enough. Because anything is possible, bar backwards in time travel. Backward time travel no matter how good is presented, I can't suspend disbelief to something that isn't possible in any shape or form.

You lose yourself into the complexity of the metaphysical explanations of modern theoretical sciences and forget that the universe of now is the result of the interactions of the universe of yesterday. Such a simple thing breaks all theories about time-travel (no matter how complicated they are made to be). When you take Setsuna out of it, you take out not only all he did/affected since his birth, no, you take out all his components that themselves were results of actions before his birth which themselves were results of interactions and so forth until who knows. This means it is totally and utterly and absolutely impossible.
Think of this: You have a drink out of a full bottle of wine, you won't have a full bottle anymore. And that's just in a static moment in time. In time travel hypothesis it would be like the molecules you took out never existed, the particles that made those molecules never existed, the phenomena that made those particles part of the molecules never happened, the phenomena tha lead to those phenomena never happened, all the objects that previously existed with some particles that would be your bottle of wine won't exist either. No chemical element would exist at all since anything radiates, thus affects things that affect things. Everything being intertwined means it is impossible.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

A great discussion we are getting us to be involved into. Time Travel is not anymore plausible then a dead being turning into something that become a living being or a fictional being getting to the real world. I also could not make any true difference about if either of them would be more likely to become reality. I could not suspend my disbelief by neither of them. They are part of fiction and will ever stay in this region. That does not change the fact that I truly enjoy stories centered around a fictional world setting.

You are limiting yourself about one only existing world. If multiple worlds are coexisting with each other, then a simple change in time can change the world centered around that event. That means time traveling would also means to travel between different worlds. A world that the time traveling person does not belong to.

Imagine a world where America and Europe would have closed independent environments (no import/export, self-sustaining societies): It is like a traveler born and raised in America, but that person moved to Europe. All he did in America influenced the people in his country of birth, but the people in Europe were completely uneffected by everything he did there.
The things he now does in Europe will influence the people and maybe located events there, but without any kind of contact with America, he will have zero effect on his birth place.

Setsuna was born and raised in a different world he traveled to. Of course he has zero effects on the world he originally came from anymore, but he, even while a traveler from a different world, influences the world he traveled to.

We have to put our understanding of time to the meaning of time itself. The term time is completely man made. Time is a complex term based on movement and in the smallest region it is based on the movement of elementary particles. There is a theoretical time stop by getting to the temperature of 0 Kelvin. That would mean all movement would stop, everything would stop.

We cannot travel through time, because "time" as such does not exist.

Jonesy974 said:

The problem is that you think your personal understanding on an unsolvable scientific theory is the only right answer. Which is pretty fucking arrogant in itself. Considering how the leading scientific minds who have hypothesized about it essentially came to the consensus that, "while it might be possible, current physical conditions and our understanding of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics are too limited to know for sure. And if it is possible, there runs the risk of creating causalities."

Almost every theory related to backwards time travel is based around M-theory, other dimensions, or wormholes. How you're going to pretend to know exactly what you're talking about like it's based in fact, when your knowledge of all of those relativities is about as much as mine or anyone else or has internet access, is facetious.

Genjurooo said:

What is life, if not a bunch of chemical reactions.

Genjurooo said:

Even if told in a silly way I wouldn't subconsciously fight against the concept itself, but against the way it was presented to me. We can bioengineer things, program machines, we have superpowers like electricity, to make things from our imagination with the power of our thoughts (and a little help from our hands kek), the power to predict the future, to read the minds of others and control them and so on and so forth.

Genjurooo said:

For me most things we can imagine, can be done. Not physically travelling into the past.

Genjurooo said:



As long as he never goes back in an absolute time frame he can move between them as he pleases. Thing is he can go to Europe from America and back to America again, but never can he go back to America before he left or to Europe before he arrives lol.

Jonesy974 said:



The problem is that you think your personal understanding on an unsolvable scientific theory is the only right answer. Which is pretty fucking arrogant in itself. Considering how the leading scientific minds who have hypothesized about it essentially came to the consensus that, "while it might be possible, current physical conditions and our understanding of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics are too limited to know for sure. And if it is possible, there runs the risk of creating causalities."

Almost every theory related to backwards time travel is based around M-theory, other dimensions, or wormholes. How you're going to pretend to know exactly what you're talking about like it's based in fact, when your knowledge of all of those relativities is about as much as mine or anyone else or has internet access, is facetious.

Genjurooo said:

What is life, if not a bunch of chemical reactions. Even if told in a silly way I wouldn't subconsciously fight against the concept itself, but against the way it was presented to me. We can bioengineer things, program machines, we have superpowers like electricity, to make things from our imagination with the power of our thoughts (and a little help from our hands kek), the power to predict the future, to read the minds of others and control them and so on and so forth. For me most things we can imagine, can be done. Not physically travelling into the past.


As long as he never goes back in an absolute time frame he can move between them as he pleases. Thing is he can go to Europe from America and back to America again, but never can he go back to America before he left or to Europe before he arrives lol.


Correct. We use faulty language for convenience and because we didn't came up with anything better in common use, we reached the point where we mistake the measurement scale we invented with the change itself. Not such a major problem, but still deceiving.

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You regard them metaphysicians like some sort of gods? They aren't and whatever magical nonsense they come up with, that permits physical time travel into the past, is wrong.

Oniikami said:
sorz, late to the party...



couldn't find which part in particular, since you explained a lot, so i took a random quote but a couple of questions...

1) are we sure that Setsuna is Rinne/Kuon's brother? like was there a point in the VN where it said that in the origin, before MC Setsuna went in the time capsule, that he was Rinné's bro or is it merely speculation and putting together pieces? since you mentioned before that Setsuna was traveling to the past (by inadvertently traveling to the future to the chronoquake which'll take him to the past) to kill himself but effectively couldn't kill his past self since "he", Rinné's bro already died/vanished (?) 3 yrs before Setsuna's arrival.

Oniikami said:

2) on that matter, you mentioned that after the first full loop Setsuna went back in time and couldn't meet his previous self since his previous self disappeared in a manner that would allow his current self to exist in the past? or did this already happen even before the first loop where Rinné's bro disappeared before MC Setsuna arrived?

Oniikami said:

3) going along with that, shouldn't Setsuna been allowed to meet his previous self? i know you said that after Setsuna used the CSC it created a sort of butterfly effect, but with the chronoquake essentially resetting to a time before the butterfly effect could happen, wouldn't there be no butterfly effect at all if you're traveling to a time before you did the butterfly effect? or is the story going along with that the CSC affects both before and after it was made/used.

Oniikami said:

4) does this world operate on a one time line or parallel world scenario? cause if it's the former, then that means that Setsuna is "reimpregnating" (for the first time multiple times?) the same Rinné every time he goes into the past... nice. like a 50 first dates type of thing but kinkier

Oniikami said:

5) for clarification, does Rinné first find Setsuna first in the CSC (as in the VN starts off with a loop and its origin is a loop) or that first time Rinné actually find Setsuna before any CSC's are made?

Oniikami said:

6) regarding consecutive loops, when Rinné found Setsuna in the CSC, did she already have that same CSC back in the lab still being worked on. in other words was Setsuna found in an older version of a CSC while its same self was also being worked on by Rinné (two of the same CSC existing in the same time)?

Oniikami said:

7) so since Rinné followed Setsuna, she effectively made 2 functioning CSC's right? or she made one, and borrowed another CSC from whatever source.

Oniikami said:

8) in the anime in one of their flashbacks while in NI, there's a memory of Rinné finding Setsuna in a CSC in the snow on the surface. what happened to that CSC? since there's one in her secret lab on the island, and there's another in the cave off the island. would that make 3 CSC's in the same time?

Oniikami said:

9) what are Rinné's thoughts in the VN in the regular ending with Setsuna having a child with Rinne? she cool with that? does Setsuna figure out in that route that he made his own grandkid or is it an ignorance is bliss scenario?

Oniikami said:

10) how long is the interaction of Setsuna in NI and I characters? i think in Island it might've been a month or two, but in NI, at least a month or more? since if he is constantly looping, and the CSC only freezes you and doesn't reset your time, he must be accumulating a lot of age. like started out as 20 yrs old, but after 6 loops (assuming he spent a month in I and NI respectively) he'd be 21 already.

Oniikami said:

11) in the anime, a big trigger for Setsuna remembering Rinné or piecing that Kuon was Rinné was their wedding ring. in the VN, did Setsuna always have it on but didn't think about anything about it, was it lost, or was it an anime only thing? since in the anime, it seems that he wasn't wearing the wedding ring before the final loop

Oniikami said:

12) not a question, just a side note. i was pretty amazed, in a good way, that we had an anime that essentially set it up that mc ended up with heroine's mom (obviously, the VN setted it up better, but the anime did a huge bait and switch with the last few episodes from an anime-only viewer perspective).

Cyanwasserstoff said:
You cannot compare an anime adaption with the origin (VN), because the time they can fill with the episodes is way lower then the story time of the VN.

Osten112 said:
Island hmmm

the mindfuck is real

Cyanwasserstoff said:

In the VN there was never a true certainty about the origins of the protagonist Setsuna, besides he came himself to the conclusion that the brother of Rinné (NI) might be him. Combined with the theory of Sarah Garlando, that Time Travel will repair itself to erase possible time paradoxon, that would explain how everything could have started. It would also fit the fairy tale about a love that was not allowed to happen, that got retold a lot in the VN.
He wanted to travel to the future where a time machine was made that would him lead to the past. Ironically he did travel to the past, but not only a few years as he would have liked to. He did not want to kill himself that time, but he wanted to save Rinne (Island).
In the time of Never Island, where he thought the constraction of Rinné's device would take him back in time (about a few month), he wanted to kill himself before he could meet Rinné
He was found by her after traveling from the future (Island) to the past (Never Island) and lost all his memories besides one name "Rinne". His arrival caused the complete distruction of Never Island.
The only way to save his beloved young girl "Rinné" in his mind was to prevent everything that happened on Never Island by making sure he would never meet her by killing Setsuna (himself) who woke up in the cold snow of Never Island. Unfortunately that was not the case, he traveled to the future instead, but a part of his memories was still there. He knew he had to kill someone and to save a girl


Following Sarah Garlando's theory it was the cause of the time travel itself. The world was changed (or he traveled to a different world) through the first full loop. That lead to the death of the original Setsuna of Never Island. Before the first loop Setsuna did disappear, too. Of course he did, because he wanted to travel to the past (went to the future instead).


The problem is the time reset in itself caused the time paradoxon. This caused that a exact same person exists two times in the same time. Setsuna (the traveler) was not supposed to exists there and normally the reset would have prevented it, but through the chamber he was protected. That lead to the change of the world. Setsuna (the traveler) became a part of it, while the other self died before he arrived there.
That way there was never a time where two versions of himself exists in the same age - the time paradoxon was repaired as Sarah Garlando would call it.


That is the thing here, because the VN Island does not deal with only possible theory. Sarah Garlando and Setsuna (Protagonist, traveler) were speculating a lot and they came to 3 possible outcomes :

#1 Setsuna arriving in the past cause the world to repair itself via changing events that could lead to a time paradoxon. In this theory there exists only one world, that will always prevent possible time paradoxons.

#2 Setsuna traveled to a iron copy of the original world, that would change through his actions. This would mean there exists a lot of possible parallel worlds.

#3 Travelling to the past would cause a time/space divergence that would lead to total nothingness (okay, that did not happen here though, but it was still mentioned by Sarah Garlando)

The VN did not truly choose one of the two options here, so it would be possible with either theories.


Setsuna the time traveler was first found in the CSC by Rinné, at least in the world that was caused by the time loop (Besides that he originally might lived with her in the same age in the same household, in the original world. They were brother and sister after all)



Rinné created in the age of Never Island the prototype, the iLander (it was not a chamber more like a cockpit, but it did protect it's user with a organic liquid, but it did not contain the time reset protection).
Setsuna was always found in the final version of the iLander, the CSC with time reset protection.
In the age of Island Rinné got her memories back and started to work on her old model iLander, again. Setsuna always travelled with the CDs with the blueprints of the iLander. In that time before the first loop, she managed to improve her old model and create the Cold Sleep Chamber with the time reset protection. And yeah she still always works on it, in each loop again.
In the VN it was only mentioned once in the true route, but she still works on the CSC.


She made the prototype, the iLander and she made the improved version, the Cold Sleep Chamber.


The CSC in the cave was only the cockpit version, the iLander in the VN. Setsuna did use it to get from Never Island to Island. The CSC in the snow was the improved version Setsuna used to get back to Never Island and Rinné used to follow him after he used the iLander. There only were 2 time travel machines, one that only leads to the future and one that can be used (in the situation of the Chronoquake) to travel to the past, too.
In the anime that CSC in the cave was the one Setsuna used to get from Never Island to Island.


In that route Setsuna never made the connection with Kuon and Rinné. Kuon was not cool with that, because otherwise she would not still work on the Cold Sleep Chamber, but she never showed any anger towards Setsuna and she was okay for them to be happy.


Since he himself is protected from the consequences from the time reset, this might be a great question. The Never Island Arc might be a month, the major events only take place in 1 or 2 weeks, but both did live together in the cave for some time before using the iLander.
I have not read the VN for a long while and I will re-read it for certain, but so far I know was the original Setsuna younger then 20 ( 17 or 18).



The ring was anime only. He did first figure it out by Maria Garlando (fake name Arima...) telling him the truth and before that he was at least not certain anymore, in the moment he did confuse Rinné for Rinne while asking Kuon (Rinné) to marry her daughter Rinne. Her reaction was pure anger and that he did know nothing about Rinne and that she was all the time alone to raise Rinne.

In the VN Rinné and Setsuna did marry, too, but the way is a little different. They exchange their necklace with their ID on it. And she still had it and later on (after already knowing the truth) Setsuna did find it in her room. She herself


You cannot compare an anime adaption with the origin (VN), because the time they can fill with the episodes is way lower then the story time of the VN. Other then that, I agree that the conclusion of both versions is different then it would be the usual case. And that is a plus for sure.

rick1-2 said:

rick1-2 said:

Hey, since you read the VN, can you tell me what the endings are?

rick1-2 said:

How did the anime adaptation change from the VN, especially its ending? How did it change the VN's true ending? We know in the VN's True Ending, Setsuna is still stuck the time loop when Real!Rinne found hin in the age of Never Island. Hope to hear from you soon.

Cyanwasserstoff said:


You have the usual character endings of Sarah Garando, Karen Kurutsu, then Rinne 1st (where you lost her during the events of Island and which will continue with Never Island), Rinne 2nd where Setsuna is living happily with her together, having a little daughter with the illness , while Kuon (Rinné) did not tell them anything. Then we have two additional endings after the Never Island Arc, Rinne (3rd) and Rinné (true). A few bad endings are also part of the VN, but they lead to nothing (Setsuna killing himself, Maria Garando killing Setsuna, failing to solve the conflict between the major and Karen Kurutsu,...)


The anime completely removed the fairy tale about Rinne and Setsuna in the Never Island Arc and the possible connection towards the missing Setsuna on in that time. The anime did change the aspect of the sleep cold chamber and the iLander from Rinné. In the anime there is only the CSC and there are two of them. (VN:) While the iLander cannot protect from the earth time reset, the CSC does protect the user from the time repair. In the anime the time does not get reset, but the 40.000 years are stuk in a endless cycle.

rick1-2 said:


What are these Rinne 1st, Rinne 2nd, Rinne 3rd, and Rinne True? So many Rinne. Do you think that we'll get a sequel VN. Seriously,

rick1-2 said:

I felt there's more to be told, and the Rinne True was obvious sequel baiting.

rick1-2 said:

So, it's agreed that the anime adaptation removed a lot of important plot points out? Considering that the iLander and Cold Sleeping Chambers are important to the plot, you'd think that explanations are given, but they aren't. Hope to hear from you soon.

Chrome_Falcon said:
That twist caught me off guard. The whole thing has some plot holes. They say that it isn't the past because there isn't another version of Setsuna. But then reveal that they are continuously moving into a future that repeats itself. So where is the future version of Setsuna? There should be one right? We have future version of all other characters in the story.

The anime also had some obvious pacing issues and questionable direction. Would have benefited more by having 24 episodes. Would have loved to see a bit more about "never island" time period.

But surprisingly I loved the emotional side of the story. This is something I will remember for quite a long time. Not sure how exactly I should rate this. First time I can't decide the score of an anime easily. I will rate it 7/10 for now. This is rewatchable after all.

Terako said:

One can assume that the "future version" of Setsuna is Rinné's brother, the one who went on an expedition and never came back.
Do remember that Never Island is the past, though.
So, it could also be Setsuna Ohara, the one who died on the other island, who knows...

Cyanwasserstoff said:


The VN highly suggest that Setsuna is or better was the biological brother of Rinné. Because time does repair itself and one person should never exist more then one time in the same time period, Setsuna's returning to Never Island resulted in the disappearing of Setsuna from that time.