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Siv3001 said: Shuda- said: @Siv3001 "4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand" You know, that this is one timeline out of a massive multi-universe right? The reverse side of the world is an important aspect of the Nasuverse. The Throne of Heroes (Where heroic spirits reside) is outside of the time axis, so while it is God knows how long for Sieg, and us; for Jeanne, it was like retracing her steps over and over a near infinite amount of times until she found it. Educate yourself on Type Moon and Nasuverse, there's a great big wiki with everything. I can tell you now 95% of the watchers have no idea what any of those things are you can't create an anime world and not explain its mechanics and world setting/lore on the show thats just bad writing This Franchise is around 20 years old, and I wouldn't underestimate the Japanese fanbase. However, I can see your point being that Apocrypha is a bad introduction to the universe, cause it assumes you are already familiar with it. Although looking at it the other way, it might get people more interested in learning about it and branch off to the earlier titles. This Anime was clearly advertisement for Fate/Grand Order as well lol. |
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| Can someone explain why Shiro's wish got "granted"? I thought only the winner could ask for a wish, but the Grail answered his even though there were still a bunch of Masters and Servants at the time? What's the difference between the Greater Grail and the other one? |
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Siv3001 said: Shuda- said: @Siv3001 "4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand" You know, that this is one timeline out of a massive multi-universe right? The reverse side of the world is an important aspect of the Nasuverse. The Throne of Heroes (Where heroic spirits reside) is outside of the time axis, so while it is God knows how long for Sieg, and us; for Jeanne, it was like retracing her steps over and over a near infinite amount of times until she found it. Educate yourself on Type Moon and Nasuverse, there's a great big wiki with everything. I can tell you now 95% of the watchers have no idea what any of those things are you can't create an anime world and not explain its mechanics and world setting/lore on the show thats just bad writing Yeah, it is bad writing. I agree. They just conveniently leave out all this shit that comes into play at the end that makes all the difference. Like what? |
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| It wasn't bad but wasn't good either.This is the 1st anime from Fate series I watched.but I think I understand what this whole series is about and I'm not interested to watch again a war for Holy Grail. Final score 7/10 (i think is a little too high) |
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| See ya guys in Fate/extra last encore in a couple of weeks, and Happy New Year 2018! 8/10 |
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| So technically speaking, without going into details and stuff, Best servant Astolfo actually won the war. Holy shit. |
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| I am quite confused about the timeline of Apocrypha. Isnt it about the 3rd Holy Grail War, taking place before the 4th one ? How come Waver is all grown up in this one? AM I missing something? |
joshua10red said: It wasn't bad but wasn't good either.This is the 1st anime from Fate series I watched.but I think I understand what this whole series is about and I'm not interested to watch again a war for Holy Grail. Final score 7/10 (i think is a little too high) well, you just watched the worst Fate Series out of the entire franchise so apocrycha isn't really a good start. Apocryha story wasn't even made by the original creators who did the main series.They also had a mediocre studio. The main series on the other hand have top quality art & animation scenes. |
Theorder14Dec 31, 2017 3:22 PM
Theorder14 said: 1) why wasn't frskenstein just strolling around after Blasted tree? Saber only survived due to being boosted by command seal Blasted tree is a suicide bombing basically he shouldn't have lived. 2)Sieg and Astolfo were already in the grail before Shirou died their scene was just shown later 3)Sieg should've lost all command seals since his arm went all black so how is he still powering up Astolfo? 4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand 1) Because she already got heavily injured before and that was a blasted tree reinforced with command spell so it's no wonder she got wiped out. 2) The battle was already concluded and Sieg & Astolfo was clearly the winner. 3)The Master is still connected to the servant even if all command spells are used up. I believe that was stated in the main series. |
NamelessWaltz said: I am quite confused about the timeline of Apocrypha. Isnt it about the 3rd Holy Grail War, taking place before the 4th one ? How come Waver is all grown up in this one? AM I missing something? The war you're seeing in this anime happens after the third grail war. In the third grail war Amakusa shirou was summoned and the Greater Grail was stolen by Darnic. so this "Great Holy Grail War" is the fourth war technicaly since Fate/Zero's fourth war never happend in this universe. Waver being an adult here makes sense, you can just tell yourself he carried out his life normally in the mage's association and eventually became Lord El Melloi II. What doesn't make sense tho is that he has Iskandar's catalyst and talks about him as if he met him before. The LN probably explains it, too bad Vol 5 it isn't translated. |
Siv3001 said: 3) if masters use up their command seals they lose their servants hence why nobody just uses command seals at will so no it can't be because they are connected. Wrong, even if you use all 3 command spells your servant will still be around and everything is normal. Sieg and Astolfo still have the master-servant contract between them active. Command spells have always been an insurance for the masters as well as allowing for some high-level magic and feats from your servant that would otherwise be impossible. But if you have none left then there's nothing stopping your servant from murdering you whenever they feel like it, it's about trust. |
| It was nice that in the end they ended up together. |
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| I liked the ending, all the second half was way better tho, especially after Jack's Arc. 7/10 no regrets, Apocrypha has a lot of issues but it was really fun to watch. |
| Only reason the Apocrypha ending was good was so that it could make way for Extra and best girl Red Saber. It was eh... 6/10 at best not quite a 7 for me. Wow cool I guess Cardboard-kun would be in the throne of heroes now. |
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| so uh, where is Astolfo getting mana from in order to stay in the world now that the GHGW is over? |
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| Good ending. Was a lot better than most Fate anime, imo. Cast was twice as large, yet every character got more screen time than Medusa. Backstory to the servants (Mordred, Jeanne) Better cast (Sieg, Ruler, Mordred, Karna, Shirou > Emiya, Sakura, Rin, Artoria, Kotomine Kirei...) 20% more reasonable. (Largest magical war in history, not a single person or news station notices, well makes sense if it's in some rural European village than a giant mega city like Tokyo.) Again, imo, franchise would be twice as successful if the backstories of each servant got an anime, cause it makes more sense than any of the grail wars. Especially with Waver talking to Rider, it felt like a better follow up than stay night. |
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| Wait, isn't Astolfo suppose to get a wish too? I loved the beginning and the fights, but Sieg was just such a "meh" main protagonist. The romance between him and Jeanne felt extremely forced and was unnecessary imo. Personally, I think it would have been much more badass to have Mordred and her partner as the protagonists. Overall, still enjoyed watching this series. Inorichi said: Again, imo, franchise would be twice as successful if the backstories of each servant got an anime, cause it makes more sense than any of the grail wars. Have you watched Juni Taisen? It's the same premise as the Holy Grail War, but it's literally what you just said instead of focusing on the fights/overarching story. |
Hamelin said: Wait, isn't Astolfo suppose to get a wish too? I loved the beginning and the fights, but Sieg was just such a "meh" main protagonist. The romance between him and Jeanne felt extremely forced and was unnecessary imo. Personally, I think it would have been much more badass to have Mordred and her partner as the protagonists. Overall, still enjoyed watching this series. Inorichi said: Again, imo, franchise would be twice as successful if the backstories of each servant got an anime, cause it makes more sense than any of the grail wars. Have you watched Juni Taisen? It's the same premise as the Holy Grail War, but it's literally what you just said instead of focusing on the fights/overarching story. Nope, I was going to hold off on it because it scored low and everyone says its a bad copy of Fate. I might watch it now though, cause I just finished Apocrypha and don't have a to watch next though. |
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| The real MVPs are Mordred, Semiramis, and Karna. Probably my favorite characters as well as Achilles. So DW, when do we Semiramis and Achilles as servants in Fate GO????????!? >.< |
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| Good ending. I am haply that Seig was able to meet Jeanne after so much time. That being said Karna is my favourite character in Apocrypha.Hoping to see him in Fate/Extra. And I will love to see if it is possible a Gilgamesh vs Karna fight in future. |
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| This was a great way to end 2017. No regrets at all. The ending was sweet. For once in a fate anime,a good ending. I am truly glad to see that. After all suffering I seen all the Fate series. |
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| That was a pretty decent ending. Pretty sure Jeanne and Sieg prob went farther offscreen when she placed his hand on her chest lol. |
| Worst Fate has finally ended The romance between Block of Wood and Jeanne is too forced and Gordes X Sieg would probably be a better couple than them lol The Red Team should have more screentime because Shakespeare was amusing to watch The cameo of Flat and Lord El Melloi II is making me want to have an anime of Strange/Fake though it's probably too early for that since the novel isn't finished |
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| Pretty much a satisfying happy ending. As seen Shirou still believing that his wish is the best for the salvation of human. Also seeing him together with Semiramis was nice. The kiss of those two and forgiving each other was a nice ending for them. Kinda didn't expect Sieg's wish on becoming a dragon in order to take away the grail from humans. As for Astolfo, I'm happy that he's still around along with Laeticia. I wonder what those two will be up to. Glad to see Caules and Fiore surviving the war. Seeing the happy ending in the end as Sieg, becoming a dragon, is no longer lonely after he is found by Jeanne d' Arc in the reverse side of the world. That may have taken her a long time for her to finally see Sieg. I'm happy to see her sweet confession to Sieg. Overall, it's isn't a bad anime. Also it isn't a good anime. I have to say, I have enjoyed watching it. I believe that they could've done better aside from having Sieg as the MC. I guess this is where it ends. Looking forward for Fate/Extra Last Encore.  |
| It ended pretty well and the last couple of fight scenes had a lot of energy. Jack the Ripper and Archer of Red's story-lines felt especially flat. Berserker (frankenstein's monster) remained best girl throughout, I liked how she was re-included in the second cour briefly. I was sold on the relationship between Jean and the Sig by the end. While what I say is mostly positive, there was quite a bit of tedium to get to the good parts. 4/10 |
| That ending was okay. It was a fun ride. It was nice how the series pretty much ended. I will leave it at that. A new Fate series is aproaching. Then there's a SoL version of FSN. I'll try to watch Fate Zero if I can get a copy on the web. 7/10 |
| So much potential for the concept of this series as an entity in the Fate franchise and it was just a thoroughly butchered masterpiece of a mess. I will go ahead and say that the only decent episode was 22. The rest of it just sucked in my eyes. 4/10 |
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| Nice ending to a terrible show. 4/10 |
Siv3001 said: Theorder14 said: 1) Because she already got heavily injured before and that was a blasted tree reinforced with command spell so it's no wonder she got wiped out. 2) The battle was already concluded and Sieg & Astolfo was clearly the winner. 3)The Master is still connected to the servant even if all command spells are used up. I believe that was stated in the main series. 1) Well Sieg had fought frikken karna did that not injure him? He got stabbed fatally by Shirou, is that not an injury? And most importantly Blasted tree is suicide bombing Sieg should not be alive. How was he alive? 3) if masters use up their command seals they lose their servants hence why nobody just uses command seals at will so no it can't be because they are connected. 2) Both Shirou and Sieg should be dead yet plot convenience allows Sieg to walk away the last 5 or whatever episodes were just plot convenience for Sieg the whole way Like i said, the reason why he survived is because his body is that of a dragon. Although it's called a suicide move, it's not certain the user would die. Heck, it's even mentioned in the ability description that blasted tree has a small chance of reviving the user instead. I honestly don't know where you get ur info from. Never does it mention that losing all your command seals means that the master and servant lose their connection. It's even mentioned in the main series that the connection would still remain. So where do u even get ur info from? |
| Decent end for a meh tier show. |
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| Probably the worst Fate anime in term of storyline. You introduce bunch of characters but decided to focus on the least interesting one. The servants deserve better. |
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| Contrary to what the vast majority of people seem to think about this show, I actually really enjoyed it. It doesn't hold a candle at all to Zero or UBW imo, but I still had fun watching it. It may just be the huge Fate fan in me talking, but despite the glaring issues the series had, I nonetheless cannot deny the enjoyment I had watching it due to all of the cool Heroic Spirits, Noble Phantasms, and other Fate stuff in it. I give it a very solid 7/10 out of personal enjoyment alone. Now, if only Sieg didn't exist and Mordred was the main protagonist. |
shikinoutaMar 11, 2018 10:09 PM
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JDartrix said: Shayon said: The war you're seeing in this anime happens after the third grail war. In the third grail war Amakusa shirou was summoned and the Greater Grail was stolen by Darnic. so this "Great Holy Grail War" is the fourth war technicaly since Fate/Zero's fourth war never happend in this universe. Waver being an adult here makes sense, you can just tell yourself he carried out his life normally in the mage's association and eventually became Lord El Melloi II. What doesn't make sense tho is that he has Iskandar's catalyst and talks about him as if he met him before. The LN probably explains it, too bad Vol 5 it isn't translated. Waver Velvet participated in pseudo Holy Grail Wars before the Great Holy Grail Wsr of Apoc. Darnic was the perpetrator. It happened several times and the Assassin class became the most used class and a Wiki of "How to Win the Fake Holy Grail Wars" began. Yup, even in this universe, Velvet still fcks his sensei's catalyst. So that's how it was, I get it now, thanks. AgaelVastar said: What was this stuff with Velvet when he looked at the part of Iskandar's robe in the box? I thought that War didn't happen in this timeline and yet it seemed as if Velvet knew best boi somehow. What was that about? What JDartrix said above ^ |
| I give it my review already so there is not much else to say. I enjoyed it pretty much despite it's flaws. Not the best Fate work but not the worst either. Watching it only for Jeanne and Mordred made the entire story worth it. Now on toward Extra. This year it's UMU year. |
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