| How can it be prequel when even in manga it is after all the arcs at the end, it's just a flashback. Fate is unnecessary complicated for newcomers enough, don't complicate it for them more. |
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| Ah ok so they need also create new entry for manga because that arc in manga is prequel also, yeah right. So we literally need split 3rei!! on 3rei!! and that flashback arc so that people can read it before Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya now it make perfect sense. |
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| That can't be, watching this movie first before prillya tv series will negate the mystery of miyu's past and her awkward affection to illyaverse shirou. There's also the origin of the cards which was in the tv series its a mystery until it was later revealed. This àrc was written to be just a backstory and its even intended to be told in a way of narration of miyuverse shirou. So I think that it's highly unrecommended to prequel watch the movie before the prillya tv series. |
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| The only thing anyone needs to fix about the movie page is Illya; the site seems to list her as a main character even though she's barely in the movie at all. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| I agree. This movie is clearly a prequel. It literally leads up to the events of the first episode of Season 1. Also they need to take Illya off as a main character, she isn't even on the cover art of the movie. I tried submitting an Anime information edit, but I guess it never went through. |
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Hella-Sugoi said: I agree. This movie is clearly a prequel. It literally leads up to the events of the first episode of Season 1. Also they need to take Illya off as a main character, she isn't even on the cover art of the movie. I tried submitting an Anime information edit, but I guess it never went through. Then we need also submit individual entry for fairy tail zero because its prequel and ppl need to watch it first. Also lets not forget to count all episodes in naruto where his parents are, and made and entry with chronological order of those episodes where they appear so that it can be added as prequel to the series and people won't be confused. |
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Swagernator said: Hella-Sugoi said: I agree. This movie is clearly a prequel. It literally leads up to the events of the first episode of Season 1. Also they need to take Illya off as a main character, she isn't even on the cover art of the movie. I tried submitting an Anime information edit, but I guess it never went through. Then we need also submit individual entry for fairy tail zero because its prequel and ppl need to watch it first. Also lets not forget to count all episodes in naruto where his parents are, and made and entry with chronological order of those episodes where they appear so that it can be added as prequel to the series and people won't be confused. Prequels does not mean "watch it first". Prequels are for stories that take place before (in the past of) another story. In this case the Illya movie takes place before season 1. I personally believe you should watch shows by release date because that's how the writers intended it to be. For Fairy Tail and Naruto, you can't set individual episodes as prequels. They are all presented as different arcs in the season. |
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Hella-Sugoi said: They are all presented as different arcs in the season. Same goes for this movie. |
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| No this is presented as its own movie. Which is why it has its own MAL page. For Fairy Tail Zero, this is shown as its own arc in episodes 92-100 of Fairy Tail (2014). You can't just have a separate MAL page for episodes 92-100 (unless they were released in a special way of course such as OVA, manga bundle, etc.). These episodes were apart of the regular broadcasting which is why they are apart of Fairy Tail (2014). All of the Naruto flashbacks are episodes of Shippuuden, so they shouldn't have their own MAL pages. |
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Hella-Sugoi said: No this is presented as its own movie. It really isn't. 3rei literally goes like this: Shirou: This is what happened to Miyu and me. *flashback told by Shirou* Shirou: And this is what happened. It's a part of 3rei and essential to the story's structure from the very first episode to the latest manga chapter for this arc to be positioned at this exact point in time. This is how and when the author intended for it to be revealed to the audience. |
astroprogsDec 14, 2017 2:48 AM
Swagernator said: How can it be prequel when even in manga it is after all the arcs at the end, it's just a flashback. Fate is unnecessary complicated for newcomers enough, don't complicate it for them more. What is so complicated about the fate series ? |
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S-quare22 said: What is so complicated about the fate series ? Actually nothing, just people like to complicate things. |
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It really isn't. 3rei literally goes like this: Shirou: This is what happened to Miyu and me. *flashback told by Shirou* Shirou: And this is what happened. It's a part of 3rei and essential to the story's structure from the very first episode to the latest manga chapter for this arc to be positioned at this exact point in time. This is how and when the author intended for it to be revealed to the audience. It's literally called "Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya MOVIE: Sekka no Chikai". So yes it is presented as a movie. Shirou is talking about a flashback which takes place before the first season of Prisma/Illya, which is why I think it should be set as a prequel to that season. Of course I know you watch this after 3rei b/c that's just looking at the broadcast order. |
KayrisDec 14, 2017 3:05 AM
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Hella-Sugoi said: It really isn't. 3rei literally goes like this: Shirou: This is what happened to Miyu and me. *flashback told by Shirou* Shirou: And this is what happened. It's a part of 3rei and essential to the story's structure from the very first episode to the latest manga chapter for this arc to be positioned at this exact point in time. This is how and when the author intended for it to be revealed to the audience. It's literally called "Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya MOVIE: Sekka no Chikai". So yes it is presented as a movie. Shirou is talking about a flashback which takes place before the first season of Prisma/Illya, which is why I think it should be set as a prequel to that season. Of course I know you watch this after 3rei b/c that's just looking at the broadcast order. It's called that because it's a movie, obviously enough, not because it can in any way stand on its own as an introduction to the series. Also, no, it's because this is the order the author intended from the very start of writing the story of Prisma Illya. The telling of the flashback is an event that happens in the middle of 3rei. The storyline had it as a reveal, not a prologue. |
| If someone watches this before the rest I swear I'll beat them with a stick. |
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astroprogs said: Hella-Sugoi said: It's literally called "Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya MOVIE: Sekka no Chikai". So yes it is presented as a movie. Shirou is talking about a flashback which takes place before the first season of Prisma/Illya, which is why I think it should be set as a prequel to that season. Of course I know you watch this after 3rei b/c that's just looking at the broadcast order. It's called that because it's a movie, obviously enough, not because it can in any way stand on its own as an introduction to the series. Also, no, it's because this is the order the author intended from the very start of writing the story of Prisma Illya. The telling of the flashback is an event that happens in the middle of 3rei. The storyline had it as a reveal, not a prologue. Of course I know it is not an introduction to the series. I'm also smart enough to know that prequel does not mean "start here". I understand that the telling of the story is in 3rei. But I guess my point is that, whether the story is told in 3rei or season 7 of the anime, since the flashback is of events before season 1 it should be considered a prequel to the whole series and not sequel to 3rei. If majority of the movie was the flashback, and then even a little bit of a scene of what happens after the last episode of 3rei, then I can see it as a sequel. But the movie stops at the first episode of season 1 which is why I view this movie as a pure prequel. |
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Hella-Sugoi said: astroprogs said: It's called that because it's a movie, obviously enough, not because it can in any way stand on its own as an introduction to the series. Also, no, it's because this is the order the author intended from the very start of writing the story of Prisma Illya. The telling of the flashback is an event that happens in the middle of 3rei. The storyline had it as a reveal, not a prologue. Of course I know it is not an introduction to the series. I'm also smart enough to know that prequel does not mean "start here". I understand that the telling of the story is in 3rei. But I guess my point is that, whether the story is told in 3rei or season 7 of the anime, since the flashback is of events before season 1 it should be considered a prequel to the whole series and not sequel to 3rei. If majority of the movie was the flashback, and then even a little bit of a scene of what happens after the last episode of 3rei, then I can see it as a sequel. But the movie stops at the first episode of season 1 which is why I view this movie as a pure prequel. Having scenes from 3rei or not is irrelevant, because the entire thing, narratively, IS a sequel to 3rei. It's a flashback arc, not a prequel arc. It's not even presented as a prequel arc because it leaves a lot out that was explained in 3rei, like why is humanity even dying in the first place. I can understand the argument for the events of the movie being a prequel, sure, but the movie as a whole single unit isn't one. Unlike stories like Kizumonogatari and Fate/Zero, Oath Under the Snow is literally being told to the characters in the living room of Shirou's house in real time and 3rei stops midway to tell that flashback before it can continue with the story. The last ending sequence can easily be viewed as Miyu continuing where Shirou left off from his perspective and tells the events that Shirou weren't there for. |
astroprogsDec 14, 2017 5:18 AM
MAADCity1 said: This movie its actually a prequel to the first season all the manga readers should know that so please fix the chronological order so we dont have people confused Better to have it as a sequel of everything, I would imagine if I was to start seeing the fate kaleid series and this was the first thing I watched, I would be awed but also fucking confused. How it is right now makes the most sense, stop whining. |
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| well, they "fixed" it, and now we have people confused whether they should watch the movie first or not unnecessary complication is great, especially considering that this series may get more adaptations in the future and the movie's place in the order will cause a bigger mess because of that |
| Nice, now newcomers will be confused as f*** when to watch this movie. The "fate watch order complicated" meme lives on. (If a newcomer is reading this, watch this movie after 3rei!!, it's not a prequel but a flashback) |
| Anyone who says this should be watched first is on some R-Tard logic. The fact that prequel has been misconstrued as a "watch first" kinda of thing is ruining good stories for first time viewers |
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DuniaDeltzu said: Following the adaptation route this is clearly a continuation to the series and not the prequel. This is urgent. "Prequel" means that it happens chronologically before , not that you need to watch it first. Sekka no Chikai is a Prequel of Prisma☆Illya 1st Season (It clearly happens before the start of the 1st Season) , but it was meant to be watched after 3rei. This thread was created because , back then , it was labelled as a Sequel to 3rei , which is false. It has been fixed since then. Edit : Fixed typos x) |
Alexioos95Aug 31, 2021 3:36 AM
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DuniaDeltzu said: This thread was created because , back then , it was labelled as a Sequel to 3rei , which is false. It has been fixed since then. Edit : Fixed typos x) This is not false, the movie takes place after 3rei, the last scene in 3rei is Shirou telling his backstory as a flashback (this movie). It is the same in the manga as well. Listing this movie as prequel to the first season will only confuse new watches and they will spoil themselves with the movie about big plot points. |
DelischesAug 31, 2021 8:58 AM
Delisches said: This is not false, the movie takes place after 3rei, the last scene in 3rei is Shirou telling his backstory as a flashback (this movie). It is the same in the manga as well. Listing this movie as prequel to the first season will only confuse new watches and they will spoil themselves with the movie about big plot points. You failed while editing the quoted post x) Even if the Movie is meant to be watched directly after 3rei , the flashback show events that happened before the start of the serie , so it's a Prequel by definition. Prequel doesn't mean that you should watch it before the rest , it just mean that it happened before an already existing serie. So yes , it's false. The Movie is a Prequel to the 1st Season. It won't confuse the new watchers , but only those those who don't know how to properly use the word "Prequel". It's the same with Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night by the way , Zero is meant to be watched after the 3 routes of Stay Night , but it doesn't change the fact that Zero is a Prequel to the Stay Night stories. (And if they did research/asked about Zero and Stay Night , there is high chances that they already know about the word Prequel) And MAL label all Prequels like that , not just for Fate... for exemple , Rurouni Kenshin & Tsuioku-hen. Exact same case as Fate/Kaleid , the protagonist explain his past to his friends , in a flashback manner. |
Alexioos95Aug 31, 2021 10:33 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Alexioos95 said: It won't confuse the new watchers , but only those those who don't know how to properly use the word "Prequel". . Yes just 90% of the modern anime fans. They believe you allways start with the prequel. I wish I got a dollar every time I saw someone who believes UBW is the continuation of Zero. There will be many people who watch the movie first and spoil themselves because of this. |
Delisches said: Yes just 90% of the modern anime fans. They believe you allways start with the prequel. I wish I got a dollar every time I saw someone who believes UBW is the continuation of Zero. There will be many people who watch the movie first and spoil themselves because of this. Welp , it's the fault of those who try to drive without knowing how to walk... MAL (And any other site/community) won't change the description of an existing word just to make the life of someone else easier. All we can do is clearly telling them that the Movie is to be watched after 3rei. And just imagine being in the place of an hardcore Star Wars fans who see everyone start with the pre-logy... (They even renamed the Trilogy Episode IV , V & VI to make space for the Pre-logy in I , II & III...) |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
How are you planing to do this? And the last time i checked the dictionary prequel was not a synonym for flashback. But if mal insists to confuse everyone I won't stop them. |
Delisches said: How are you planing to do this? And the last time i checked the dictionary prequel was not a synonym for flashback. But if mal insists to confuse everyone I won't stop them. When people ask for the order , tell them. It won't stop those who don't ask , but what about the 99999 other series ? It's the exactly the same. A Flashback is not necessary a Prequel... it can be a flash of something that happened the previous episode , for exemple. A Prequel is an event that happened before the story , for exemple Zero and Stay Night. So an event can be both a Flashback and a Prequel. Nothing to do with synonyms. At this point , it's not MAL that confuse them , it's their language. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
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