| I've been a fan of the game for many years. Fanarts, polls, and game plays show that Hakunon is A LOT more popular than Hakuno. This is a reason why I don't watch any Fate shows anymore due to them having boring male MCs, I don't care about yuri happening but even that is better than a boring self-insert male with Saber , I got also bored of Shirou being all the time shoved in every adaptation of FSN routes. Let him and Archer die. |
| Uh, so you want a boring female protagonist instead of a boring male one? A listen to the Drama CDs will show you that Saber and Caster are more associated with Hakuno, while Archer and Gil are more associated with Hakunon. Also, and this is the most important point, target demographic. Not that Hakunon isn't in the show. She's in the trailer. Finally, what am I even reading about F/SN? Shirou is the one and only protagonist of that story. |
TzwTzw said: I got also bored of Shirou being all the time shoved in every adaptation of FSN routes. Let him and Archer die. But he's the main character? The thing is, we're getting both Hakuno and Hakunon. We know that Hakuno's role is being the protag, but we still don't know what's Hakunon's role going to be. She can either just be there in the background like in FGO, or she might have a bigger role. She most likely has Archer as her servant, while Saber's with Hakuno. pls give us hakunon with gil in ccc adaptation Edit: Wasshio said: I could ask uh... is there any actual real legit difference between the two main characters? If you don't mind me asking that. Just some lines were changed, nothing major I think. |
| Because otaku want to see male character getting chick not chick getting hot men. |
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| I have been wanting to comment on this for a while and here I go. When playing a video game it is more likely that people will choose the female character. For women they will probably play femMC because they are women. But men in general also want to play as a femMC because you get an added attractive girl on the screen. Even during romantic scenes it is like watching lesbian porn where you enjoy 2 girls in love. However when it comes to anime /yuri/ isn't always generally preferred whether it be romance or harems. Recently this year 7sins aired and it flopped even with the ecchi/harem community because there wasn't a sense of "self insert" with the show. Anime and games are two different formats and therefore what some people enjoy in 1 others don't in the other. I always like playing as a female in video games however when it comes to a "harem" I would like a male MC. So yes in the video game format a female MC is more ideal to fans however in an anime you want things to be more grounded. It isn't about hetronormativity it's just how I personally enjoy the medium and I am guessing this is how others too. |
| It's because it's how Nasu prefers to write it, I think. He did this extella/Zero's prologue, even though multiple routes are possible he seemed to have explained it with Male Hakuno in mind, although not disallowing others from being possible. (I distinctly remember when asked about gender issues and his "strong female characters", he admitted to falling into his own habits when writing stuff, but since I wan't to be done with debate after this it's not that important to find, y'all can look it up yourself.) It may have something to do with marketing, but in the end it's difficult for us as fans to truly gauge the popluarity of both. Certain sects of both seem to be propping up and it's difficult to tell, haha. In the end I think it was a personal writer choice for the sake of his own relatability, but I wouldn't rule out appealing to an audience. To be frank I'm still mildly upset, I really wanted my way, but I'm also just happy that I'm going to have a beautiful adaption of my favorite fate spin off, I don't want it feel all these negative emotions about it, haha. It's Nasu's choice, personal or marketive (is that even a word? *laughs*), and I won't throw a fit over something like this for the sake of not spoiling my enjoyment. The lack of tamamo is much harder for me to ignore, haha, due being the servant I went with and loved to death, but Nero's cool in her own right. (most importantly, I dont like obessively eat up information about her like I do with Tamamo, so there will be more surprises for me with Nero, even if i know a buncha stuff.) We'll just have to see how it turns out. |
EmphaticPikachuDec 31, 2017 12:30 PM
Centurionzo_12 said: EmphaticPikachu said: It's because it's how Nasu prefers to write it, I think. He did this extella/Zero's prologue, even though multiple routes are possible he seemed to have explained it with Male Hakuno in mind, although not disallowing others from being possible. (I distinctly remember when asked about gender issues and his "strong female characters", he admitted to falling into his own habits when writing stuff, but since I wan't to be done with debate after this it's not that important to find, y'all can look it up yourself.) It may have something to do with marketing, but in the end it's difficult for us as fans to truly gauge the popluarity of both. Certain sects of both seem to be propping up and it's difficult to tell, haha. In the end I think it was a personal writer choice for the sake of his own relatability, but I wouldn't rule out appealing to an audience. To be frank I'm still mildly upset, I really wanted my way, but I'm also just happy that I'm going to have a beautiful adaption of my favorite fate spin off, I don't want it feel all these negative emotions about it, haha. It's Nasu's choice, personal or marketive (is that even a word? *laughs*), and I won't throw a fit over something like this for the sake of not spoiling my enjoyment. The lack of tamamo is much harder for me to ignore, haha, due being the servant I went with and loved to death, but Nero's cool in her own right. (most importantly, I dont like obessively eat up information about her like I do with Tamamo, so there will be more surprises for me with Nero, even if i know a buncha stuff.) We'll just have to see how it turns out. It's kinda sad that Tamamo is always put in the background to Nero shine, it as really ridiculous in Extella, I do hope that the best fox girl get more attention in the future Quickly, lets turn this into an Extella circle jerk before the mods stop us! ...that was a horrible joke. Haha. I'm less worried about her screentime and more worried about her portrayal in the game, although given I don't know CCC that well I try to not state my opinions too strongly. |
| A female MC would have ruined the anime. Fate is aimed toward males, deal with. Stop with the the fucking yuri trend |
| Let me flip the question for the OP... If both male and female Hakuno are no different than each other other than the gender and both are equally developed and fleshed out in the game and when the drama c.d, manga and even game text uses the male point of view since the begining.... Why is Hakunon more popular than Hakuno? |
soraibi said: I guess the writer just prefers writing in male perspective. Nasu wrote Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Prototype. Female MCs are his bread and butter. It largely doesn't matter, story and characterization-wise, if the MC is male or female, but if the main Servant is Nero, I think that makes more sense to use Hakuno. EXTRA isn't known for Yuri undertones, so it doesn't make sense for the anime to do that. Real answer: because Hakunon is cuter. Why have one cute girl on-screen, when you can have two? Deep lore answer: Hakunon actually has some VERY subtle differences from Hakunon, like how she seems to dress a little less neatly compared to Hakunon, and of course their Extella profiles: Hakuno: Likes: Anmitsu, Devotion, Arranging leftover Mystic Codes. Dislikes: Debt collectors, Warmed goods, Reckless bond quests. Natural enemy: Kiara Sessyoin, Velber 03, Student council president. Hakunon: Likes: Candy, Caring, Reckless bond quests. Dislikes: Weapon bragging, Hard beds, Arranging leftover Mystic Codes Natural enemy: Twice, Velber 01, Student council president. Overall, Hakunon seems slightly more free spirited (symbolized by her bare foot art), as opposed to Hakuno's more composed demeanour (symbolized by his highly neat and organized outfit). Although, I really doubt that most of the people asking for Hakunon even know about these obscure nuances. They just want a cute girl. |
astroprogs said: Overall, Hakunon seems slightly more free spirited (symbolized by her bare foot art), as opposed to Hakuno's more composed demeanour (symbolized by his highly neat and organized outfit). Although, I really doubt that most of the people asking for Hakunon even know about these obscure nuances. They just want a cute girl. I swear to god, poor guy gets no love in the western fandom and most of the people who go as far as to bad mouth him and call him a blank slate haven't even played the game themselves at all... thus this outburst... It may be obvious that I like Hakuno way better than Hakunon and the reason being that immediately after playing the game I read the manga and then later listened to the Drama CD which left quite an impact(seriously listen to it if you can understand spoken JP) on me for the character... Later, in the internet I realize that Hakunon is somehow put on the pedestal...It's understandable why people would like Hakunon but that doesn't mean that Hakuno has to be the one to suffer the hate... One meta thing to close this off Hakuno - likes: Devotion and Talents: Mental Fortitude Hakunon - likes: Caring and Talents: Never gives up Devotion is a stronger form of Caring. Mental Fortitude is the highest state of Never giving up. |
RedKaZeroJan 24, 2018 4:16 AM
1idd0kun said: u realize its just genders for the player...thats like complaining about pokemon having a male MCRedKaZero said: It may be obvious that I like Hakuno way better than Hakunon and the reason being that immediately after playing the game I read the manga and then later listened to the Drama CD which left quite an impact(seriously listen to it if you can understand spoken JP) on me for the character... Later, in the internet I realize that Hakunon is somehow put on the pedeatal...It's Understandable why people would like Hakunon but that doesn't mean that Hakuno has to be the one to suffer the hate.. Haven't occurred to you that maybe it's not a matter of hate but simply the fact that the guy gets to be the MC in all the adaptations while the girl gets pushed aside? Hokuno is the MC in the manga and anime both. What does Hakunon get? Not much in comparison. |
1idd0kun said: Haven't occurred to you that maybe it's not a matter of hate but simply the fact that the guy gets to be the MC in all the adaptations while the girl gets pushed aside? Hokuno is the MC in the manga and anime both. What does Hakunon get? Not much in comparison. So you do agree that it's just a matter of personal preference between either gender? In this case, you want hakunon to be the protagonist because she is female? Because fandom perception of both of them that I have seen is as follows: Hakuno is stated as a "bland" "self-insert" protagonist while Hakunon is attributed all the good parts of character to her(case in point the OP post), which is quite the hypocrisy. I don't know if people realize or not but FMC is as much of a self-insert as the MC? Does she not get to be labeled as self-insert because she is female? Well, as far as I'm concerned I wanted Hakuno with Saber(the default option if you will) to be featured so I'm a happy camper. In addition this one seems to be a new story so we get to have even deeper lore for Extra series. |
| I think we are on a different page here. What I mean was that as a character in the story both gender work equally, yet the Male one is treated as inferior in the fandom. |
| Unlike you people there are some hardcore fate fans like me out there who can't stand Yuri or yaoi.. Please atleast let one series stay normal and be for everyone.. Go watch you citrus or Yuri on ice or something in the corner.. *Ahem Regarding the Male female argument , I would agree with the people saying that Hakuno is labeled as bland by people for no reason while Hakunon is glorified .. Mainly because the same case exists with Fate Grand order where Gudako is an Ideal master and literally nobody cares about Gudao(In fan comics he is shown as a trap lover RIP) Second reason would be ... Anowser said: A female MC would have ruined the anime. Fate is aimed toward males, deal with. Stop with the the fucking yuri trend Thank you so much! |
KazuroWeisemannJan 24, 2018 3:39 AM
| Because either the male or the female MC, the Fate series never exploit them. I don't care wich one use. Same with grand order, would be the exactly same OVA, the protagonist doesnt carry importan weight in the Fate's adaptations |
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| Because it would be boring yuribait like Marchen madchen |
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| Hakunon is only more popular because she's a cute girl. |
| Why, you ask? Of course, because it's much easier to put giant holes in a male MC (in the first episode he already had quite a few) rather than a female one, without fans whining. Even more seriously, it's because the MC would never be part of any iconic action scenes if she were a female (unless she is called Aoko Aokaki). |
Leonhart93Jan 27, 2018 6:52 PM
| Better question is why do people care? The female MC is just as bland and boring as the male one. |
| Sigh. |
ReddayeSocks said: Better question is why do people care? The female MC is just as bland and boring as the male one. ^this post is correct |
| It's been said before but I don't really mind not having a female MC. It's true that it would've been interesting because of the difference with other Fate stories, but at the same time I really dislike yuri. That's one of the main reasons of why I'm fine with this. And even if the MC was female there wouldn't have been much difference in the plot. The thing here is that you want a girl as a MC instead of guy just because Hakunon is a cute girl, even is both of them are almost the same in personality. Even so, I still think Hakunon has a role in the story. Maybe she'll appear again in some kind of flashback, maybe she didn't die. Let's just wait and see. |
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Saintrider891 said: Fate series already use male mc too much . Why they never choose female mc for once . Fate Stay Night : Shirou . Fate Apocrypha : Sieg. Fate Grand Order : Gudao . Fate Last Encore : Hakuno . Nasu sexist . Fate/kaleid: Illya So no, not really. |
Saintrider891 said: Fate series already use male mc too much . Why they never choose female mc for once . Fate Stay Night : Shirou . Fate Apocrypha : Sieg. Fate Grand Order : Gudao . Fate Last Encore : Hakuno . Nasu sexist . Because Fate anime was like forever boy meat girl? You forgot Kiritsugu. |
| Into the Internet! |
| Considering that they are the same character, it reminds me a lot of the Granblue Fantasy that people like more Jeeta than Gran just for being a woman, when by personality they are exactly the same character in terms of dialogues in the game taking away the difference of the routes and the nonsense of the CD Drama |
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| As if there are even any major differences between them. You just like Hakunon more because she's a girl. For some reason you remind me so much of a certain someone who was so pressed that Hakunon and Gudako weren't the MC of their respective adaptations. |
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Mami-kouga said: Tenshi_Shura said: As if there are even any major differences between them. You just like Hakunon more because she's a girl. For some reason you remind me so much of a certain someone who was so pressed that Hakunon and Gudako weren't the MC of their respective adaptations. The gudako one is slightly more understandable because all she got was a still frame cameo before she was offed. In this case Hakunon actually looks like there will be focus on her, at least in a flashback, but people are still upset. If they want female masters, I think they should try getting more support for fate/prototype, since Ayaka is actually her own character there. I was actually hoping for a Fate/Prototype anime. Considering that they put proto-Arthur in F/GO, I'm wondering what's keeping them from doing it? |
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Saintrider891 said: Fate series already use male mc too much . Why they never choose female mc for once . Fate Stay Night : Shirou . Fate Apocrypha : Sieg. Fate Grand Order : Gudao . Fate Last Encore : Hakuno . Nasu sexist . Fate/Prototype. You know, the original Fate. And outside Fate: Mahoutsukai no Yoru Kara no Kyoukai Nasu sexist . Oh? Please, pray tell what you think of Nasu when the only one you mentioned that wasn't an anime adaptation and/or not written by Nasu was a story that has origins in a story with a female MC. Also, since when is using a male MC= sexist? This is ridiculous. Not that Prisma Illya is written by Nasu in the first place, but this statement is based on...? |
astroprogsJan 28, 2018 3:53 AM
Saintrider891 said: Nyalicious said: Fate/kaleid: Illya So no, not really. Fate kaleid was outside Nasuverse . And Nasu didn't write Apocrypha, so... |
| Because if they did that, they had to use Gilgamesh as the servant, an actual good character, instead of this another waifubait saber, and god forbid us to have NON garbage main characters in a fate adaptation. -other than f/z- |
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