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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well that was interesting. A bit of drama but glad to see Utaha back and she graduated. Some of her scenes also reminds me of Koisuru Metronome (side story manga) for some reason this episode. It's also interesting that the game Fields Chronicle was bought up in a conversation. Eriri and Utaha still has a pretty complicated relationship. Decent buildup this episode considering the way that Akane is involved in this drama and her ability to craft her art style (similar to Eriri's). |
Stark700Jun 8, 2017 9:24 AM
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| why would someone work for someone like that? |
| I knew some drama went down it was shown at the beginning of the episode. But the ending got me complicated. Something involved with Eriri's art? It seemed like she screamed or something. Somebody wanna fill me in a bit. I mean I see where Eriri and Utaha are involved with a certain project. This goes back one month ago. Somebody wanna fill me in with a little more detail? I seem to get the idea a bit. But the ending with certain drawings is what kind of confused me. What was she screaming about? |
alphazero4um said: I knew some drama went down it was shown at the beginning of the episode. But the ending got me complicated. Something involved with Eriri's art? It seemed like she screamed or something. Somebody wanna fill me in a bit. I mean I see where Eriri and Utaha are involved with a certain project. This goes back one month ago. Somebody wanna fill me in with a little more detail? I seem to get the idea a bit. But the ending with certain drawings is what kind of confused me. What was she screaming about? the other woman said "your art is easy to imitate at this point", which means someone else did the same art as her, so unless she tries harder, she is just normal...and ofc she got mad for that lol probably she wants to be special, but needs a big push in the right direction |
fav "new" girls from winter <3 (2 extra girls this time, but 36 seasonals so whatever) ... click sig for older seasons and more possible picks |
| Lots of heavy drama in this episode. Eriri and Utaha got scouted by a big game company to work on their next game. Tomoya didn't take that very well. He's very devastated. Akane is crazy. She bashed on them hard. I wouldn't want to work for her. |
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komic said: why would someone work for someone like that? utaha said at her conversation with tomoya, that she needed a person who treated her like that to push forward, since tomoya is a soft guy, also the game is probably popular enough |
| fav "new" girls from winter <3 (2 extra girls this time, but 36 seasonals so whatever) ... click sig for older seasons and more possible picks |
| What the hell was that x.x Was a good episode up until the final part... did they really have to make the woman come off as a deranged yandere or something all of a sudden? I mean yeah okay I'm sure she was drunk but what the hell that felt so off for this kind of anime lol Other than that, I at least think it was a pretty interesting direction the story took. Just somewhat awkwardly executed at the end |
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| Despair, so delicious. 10/10 if this series ends with Tomoya killing himself after everyone ditches him. |
| That shit with the *we need someone to push us to hell* only works in fiction, only a fucking masochist would want to work for someone like that, theres a reason why suicide is a big deal in Japan, besides the low salary and tax this is one of them, a hell workshop. This ep was cringe at best, the one who made this just gave a BS reason to how he can seperate Tomoya with the other girls. |
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alphazero4um said: I knew some drama went down it was shown at the beginning of the episode. But the ending got me complicated. Something involved with Eriri's art? It seemed like she screamed or something. Somebody wanna fill me in a bit. I mean I see where Eriri and Utaha are involved with a certain project. This goes back one month ago. Somebody wanna fill me in with a little more detail? I seem to get the idea a bit. But the ending with certain drawings is what kind of confused me. What was she screaming about? It was briefly shown in the episode how Akane easily copied the art style of Eriri using Eriri's work "Memories of Lily" as reference. She screamed because she couldn't accept that her work which Tomoya considers to be the best was easily imitated. komic said: why would someone work for someone like that? I do see how a creator who wants to be the best at what he/she does would want someone who would actually push them past their creative limits rather let them be complacent and have them remain in their comfort zones. I just hate that both of them didn't even tell Tomoya until he brought up his new project proposal. |
| Agh. I got really irritated with Utaha senpai and especially Eriri for not saying that they're going to ditch Tomoya and do a bigger project sooner. I mean it's understandable that they want to become better and improve but come on. They took the job without even telling Tomoya like that's betrayal. It wounds me :( Plus no Katou this episode. |
| Akane Kosaka truly is a monster of creation!!! Really love the way she changes people around her. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| ooohhhh.... I love the intensity of this episode. They're also keeping secret which where Katou doesn't like. This going to be good. |
keima25Jun 8, 2017 11:01 AM
-Stray said: That shit with the *we need someone to push us to hell* only works in fiction, only a fucking masochist would want to work for someone like that, theres a reason why suicide is a big deal in Japan, besides the low salary and tax this is one of them, a hell workshop. This ep was cringe at best, the one who made this just gave a BS reason to how he can seperate Tomoya with the other girls. Exactly what I was thinking lol. People work to death over there and she is asking him to treat them like that. They hella fucked him over and I think it's just too convenient for the plot at this point for them to split them apart now that Kato is with Tomoya again |
| Well now, that was an interesting episode. Utaha finally told Aki exactly what he needed to do, and their reasons for leaving him. Then again, they waited a month before telling Aki anything. Now rememeber what Katou said about friends not keeping secrets that can affect the group? That's going to be an interesting conflict when she finds out... This episode also highlighted what I said from the last episode about Eriri not finding inspiration herself and instead seeking it out from someone else. Utaha also got that treatment as well, since the biggest reason she left Blessing Software was because Eriri left, so that must mean that Eriri took the offer before Utaha did. I understand that creators need people to push them, but once again, when that's your major reason for why you need to create and not because you want do it because you love it, then your reasons for being a creator becomes an issue and it won't be a surprise when your projects are flat and unoriginal, and in that kind of context, Aki is a better producer than Akane, since he allows them to use their talents to their own beat so that they can enjoy creating for everyone to enjoy. In short, because they always need someone to push them to do better and not find that spark to better themseleves by themselves, Utaha and Eriri can get lost when no one is leading them, and thus, they're not true creators. |
𝕐𝕌ℝ𝕀 𝕀𝕊 𝕃𝕆𝕍𝔼. 𝕐𝕌ℝ𝕀 𝕀𝕊 𝕃𝕀𝔽𝔼. |
Contreras1991 said: Well.. It was to be expected, these girls were stuck artistically speaking, because they interposed their feelings with the work (love to Tomoya), situation that did not let them advance and surpass themselves with a director as friendly as the man in question. Obviously it's not Tomoya's fault, since it's something personal to them. They needed to get away from their distraction to be able to overcome and reach the top. In any case, they betrayed him by not mentioning him previously that they had a great company wanting them to be recruited, and that they were going to accept. I think that was the best for all. I dont remember if Katou was mad at them for that decision. Considering that she stated that she hated it when decisions about the circle are kept secret, I think she will be. |
| 𝕐𝕌ℝ𝕀 𝕀𝕊 𝕃𝕆𝕍𝔼. 𝕐𝕌ℝ𝕀 𝕀𝕊 𝕃𝕀𝔽𝔼. |
| I can't help but feel pissed off at this point with this series. Like why did it just feel as though the show paralleled a massive NTR/Cuck scenario with Akane Kousaka scouting Eriri and Utaha? I mean...poor Tomoya seriously. I can understand the need to challenge oneself in the creative process to go above and beyond when it comes to producing quality works (hell as a writer myself I always strive to outdoing something I've done before) but this...this was just straight up bullshit. Maybe they were making a parallel to pretty much what is going on in the industry right now, how creators are overworked and underpaid. Or maybe it's just drama to stir the plot along but either way...wow. Talk about a rage-inducing situation. |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| Shiro Neko and Glenn poster! Me want!!!! |
| Okay im really starting to fucking hate this series now because im getting sick and tired of this DRAMA HORSESHIT! After im done with this shit, the only thing worth a damn to me are the Utaha doujins and this manga. https://myanimelist.net/manga/62083/Saenai_Heroine_no_Sodatekata__Koisuru_Metronome |
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| That was an edgy mess. Worst episode. |
| i kinda of felt sad for the MC but it was reasonable for them to take it tbh , but it felt like the characters were over-reacting specially at the proposal scene and it also pissed me off that eriri just took the job without saying anything about it ( same thing with utaha ) it felt like they weren't taking their circle as serious as the rest of the characters in it , it was a good episode overall i guess |
RPWPAJun 8, 2017 4:30 PM
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
| My thoughts on this episode, like with the characters themselves, are pretty conflicting. I have full sympathy for Tomoya, although Utaha is right to point out that he is too nice for his own good, hence why Utaha and Eriri wouldn't be able to flourish their skills to their full potential if they stayed with his group all the time. However, getting scouted by the right person to help you flourish those skills can be good, but in this case with Akane, I have my doubts. Akane might boast a very impressive record in doujins, but her personality is just toxic. She showed just how easily it was to copy the artwork of Eriri at her current best, but did it in a way that would break her confidence and mentally. It doesn't matter how successful Akane is, I wouldn't work for her if she treated me like that. ¬_¬ As for Kato, who didn't appear in this episode, she made it clear to Tomoya last week that she doesn't want decisions like these being kept secret from other members of the doujin group, so I do see her getting pissed off at both Utaha and Eriri for this. I hope Tomoya can Save Eriri from this. It's better to push someone out of their comfort zone in order to grow instead of hitting them out of it with a sledgehammer. =/ |
| Episodes without Kato are literally painful to watch, with those overbearing shit drama and all. Fucking hell. And Akane, what in the flying fuck ? She's just so retardedly over the top i couldn't even take her seriously at all, even more so to Utaha and Eriri who suddenly went beta to the max. |
loli_a_ravioliJun 8, 2017 2:52 PM
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| Yea.............. Don't even tell your director and the boy you like that you're gonna ditch him, YOU EVEN READ HIS WHOLE SCRIPT FFS I kinda want this to turn into a revenge story of Tomoya and Katou UGH SO IRITATTING. I thought that Utaha was the best girl but i'm in doubt now. |
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| i really hate it when they force drama like that. also it seems like the writer from Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata doesn't know anything about how creatives are handled or creativity in general. usually you give them as much free space as possible - every big corporation does it. |
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| So after witnessing this psychological NTR I am here to share my opinion lol. I equally liked all 3 girls but now I am only siding with Kato. Real friends don't pull shit like this. Just what did Utaha and Eriri expect on the creative side of things when they only joined to get into Tomoya's pants in the first place? The only one who genuinely wanted to make something was Kato. Sure, it's a bit ironic that this happens with Tomoya not long after what he pulled during the winter comiket but that wasn't that serious of a matter in the first place. Yes, I do think he was a dick there but at least he learned a lot from it and we saw him reflecting. And what's with not being able to improve if you are not pushed? What's the point of creating if it's not fun? This is why many manga gets axed, just to say an example, I feel like that One Piece is doing well because the author can do what he wants, I don't see any influence of the publisher and editors. Bleach on the other hand felt like it wasn't even the authors' work from like the second half altogether and got the axe. Overworking authors is a very bad thing in my opinion and if I was a creator I wouldn't like the pushy approach. But to be back on topic. There was also some great irony from Eriri, she was the first one to jump and say that she won't betray Tomoya no matter what and got turned so easily because someone trash talked her... Just wow. She fell for the bait and simply rage accepted that proposal imo. Good job on nullifying all your progress with the MC there! Now it became pointless that he busted his ass to your place abandoning everyone in the process when you were sick. Utaha, what the fuck? I thought she was the most loyal out of everyone but I was wrong apparently. I can't even understand why she went with the whole thing, she never looked like someone who needed hardcore pushing but now she suddenly needs it and ditched Tomoya for it. Didn't she like working with him in the first place because he was kind? The way I see it she accepted simply because of selfishness. I can see karma biting them in the ass working with a tyrant like Akane. Heck, I think it will be full cliché mode and they are going to cry themselves back into Tomoya's circle lol. If I were Tomoya, I wouldn never be able to forgive this. Let's say, I got informed about it in time and talked things out I might not even be that upset and could still see the friendships going. Now the only thing I am eagerly waiting is Kato's reaction to this, it has to be priceless. She has no particular talents going for her but at least she is truly loyal. |
| I don't say this often. But Tomoya was cucked hard by Akane. Great episode. |
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| The reactions in this thread is pretty much what I expect when the anime butchers the living shit out of the source material. Shit is like Oregairu Season 2 but much much worse. Such a garbage tier adaption of Saekano. |
| FUCK ERIRI FUCK UTAHA FUCKING BETA CUCKS. Hope Tomoya and Kato continue on making the game with new illustrator/write(idk). Need that revenge plot so badly. |
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| Dunno about so much drama AND AGAIN DON'T PUT TOO MUCH UNREALISTIC REACTIONS it only make the one cringe even harder , she wiped the floor with them and now they want to work for her wow ~ I somehow understand but the way come across it was cringe worthy and the two bitches hide it about him for whole goddamn month that BS there |
hoopla123 said: The reactions in this thread is pretty much what I expect when the anime butchers the living shit out of the source material. Shit is like Oregairu Season 2 but much much worse. Such a garbage tier adaption of Saekano. Man at least with S2 Yahari i feel the anime was more consistent with its tone, with Saekano more often than not they just shoved Utaha sex jokes or some flavorless meta jokes in one moment and the next few seconds everyone looked like they got death sentence or something. |
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| after all that happened cant believe that eriri would ditch tomoya like this |
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| Man it's fucked up how Eriri and Utaha didn't even tell Tomoya about the fact that they worked on that Field Chronicle project until AFTER it was done. I felt bad for him in this episode. Also, I find it a tad bit ridiculous how Akane was shitting all over them (especially Eriri) but they still ended up working with her. I understand Utaha said she wanted to work with someone that would push her to work harder, but if I had a meeting like that I wouldn't even bother, not worth it imo. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Oh god, things just took a sharp turn in this episode. I kinda feel bad for Tomoya now, kinda feels like they backstabbed him. |
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