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DaBackpack said: Jena is broken and -for some reason- the Junker plays along He doesn't know it's broken at first since everything including Yummemi is functioning. The anime made it looks like he's got nothing better to do but killing time. DaBackpack said: I'll say there is a reason (sadly they couldn't mention in in the 18 minute period and instead opted to finish with the heartwarming image of him changing his mind) but the anime doesn't need to lay all of its cards on the table at once. This will be made explicit in time. A good story is always one step ahead of the audience while making them believe they are on the same page. What I should expect from the next episode is how Junker's action is going to affect the story. His motive doesn't need to be made explicit through some clunky exposition but some subtle hints or clever dialogue are appreciated to show that he does that for some good reason. There's only action but no reason. DaBackpack said: Because that's what the anime is framing as the important conflict. The anime isn't trying to focus on the logistics of this world. It's about the relationship that emerges between a human and a robot. The post-apocalyptic setting isn't the plot, it's the staging. It's a story about a desperate man and a broken robot, I get it, you can't get more simpler than that given it's Key. And like I said before, if they don't utilize the setting then what's the point of being one in the first place? It's like being in a highschool but ignore every activity every event that are associated with what's like being a highschooler. Plus it's only going help you to make a more believable, engaging story if you're a somewhat competent writer. There're many ways to write a good story, being in consistent with and acknowledging the setting is one of them but also not the only way. I just gave one of the possible improvement, and yeah, making Junker an actually interesting character helps that too. Being a scavenger is his identity, a member of the post-apocalyptic world, from that point it'd be obviously anyone can use that to further expanse on his character, his personality. Having him listening to a robot talking and do nothing reflecting his character is a waste of potential. DaBackpack said: What I think you're describing isn't poor storytelling but a laid-back and empathetic tone. If a laid-back and empathetic tone is what they're going for then what's the point of the fight scene at the beginning? And I'm damn sure it's gonna get gritty and serious later on. They could've started at Junker accidentally finding the facility when he's wandering in the city looking for supplies. Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou actually did the same thing and better at this. |
raveninthemuddleJul 7, 2016 5:13 PM
| A good first episode. From what I could tell this episode was very close to the original visual novel. Artwork was really well done and Yumemi is simply adorable! |
| When Hoshino says "Mr Customer, you're supposed to laugh here," all I could think about was Jeb Bush saying "Please clap" |
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| Nice setting and the animation is pretty fluent, but the directing is oh so flat and the artstyle is really bland. |
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| I feel like this series is going to rip my heart out and stab it multiple times |
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| Well at least compared to Rewrite, this VN adaptation does not feel like a parody of competent directing and storytelling. Will probably continue since it's only 5 episodes. But damn that robot's design is terrible. |
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| Great production! This is going to be beautiful. |
| Awhile back when they announced this anime I thought to myself, "this looks like it could be a very visually stunning anime". The poster art for it and the whole futuristic theme gave me hopes for some very cool, sleek, and vibrant sci-fi scenes. Not to say that the artwork is utter crap but it didn't meet my expectations. It's alright but there's a part of me that can't help but think it could have been better. According to the BD release info, Planetarian is going to be 5 episodes long. Could this series have been more effective if it were just a string of short films? I'm thinking about Kara no Kyoukai here. If perhaps the budget was bigger we could be seeing some very stunning scenes of Sarcophagus City and given the spacey and planetarium theme, there will probably be some shots of the sky later on. The whole sci-fi aspect has my mind buzzing and I can't help but think about how far the graphics could have been taken. Yumemi's personality was really funny. She's an emotionless and expressionless robot and when you combine that with a human there can be lots of humorous moments as witness in this episode. Her face when she kept talking after being repeatedly told to shut up was just so cute and funny. On the flip side, because sh'es a robot that was programmed to yap, I can see how some people would find her to be annoying. Personally, she's tolerable, but I'm a casual that finds cute girls to be unresistant. Here's the all important question. What does the projector have to do with the story? It's pretty obvious that it holds a key role in this anime but why? Once again my curiosity is taking over my thoughts and along with the the futuristic apocalyptic setting, I am excited for what's to come. Also, why was the junker told to not talk to Yumemi? What could she possibly be capable of doing if the best thing to do is to not respond to her? Thankfully the junker disregarded that warning so we will be able to see what happens. Maybe I set my sights up too high for Planetarian. I was expecting this grand visually stunning series with an incredible deep story to it. The setting of the story definitely has potential to become that but episode 1 is a lot more grounded than I expected. It's not bad though, I'm still very interested in the anime and will be looking forward to the upcoming releases. Also, what's with Yumemi's ribbon? It keeps changing colors and I couldn't figure out the pattern for it. |
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raveninthemuddle said: DaBackpack said: Jena is broken and -for some reason- the Junker plays along He doesn't know it's broken at first since everything including Yummemi is functioning. The anime made it looks like he's got nothing better to do but killing time. The playing along I meant was when he turned around after leaving, by which point he knew it was broken DaBackpack said: I'll say there is a reason (sadly they couldn't mention in in the 18 minute period and instead opted to finish with the heartwarming image of him changing his mind) but the anime doesn't need to lay all of its cards on the table at once. This will be made explicit in time. A good story is always one step ahead of the audience while making them believe they are on the same page. What I should expect from the next episode is how Junker's action is going to affect the story. His motive doesn't need to be made explicit through some clunky exposition but some subtle hints or clever dialogue are appreciated to show that he does that for some good reason. There's only action but no reason. It being made explicit doesn't mean clunky exposition, it means it's easy to discern. I'm stretching the definition of 'explicit' but whatever. DaBackpack said: Because that's what the anime is framing as the important conflict. The anime isn't trying to focus on the logistics of this world. It's about the relationship that emerges between a human and a robot. The post-apocalyptic setting isn't the plot, it's the staging. It's a story about a desperate man and a broken robot, I get it, you can't get more simpler than that given it's Key. And like I said before, if they don't utilize the setting then what's the point of being one in the first place? It's like being in a highschool but ignore every activity every event that are associated with what's like being a highschooler. Plus it's only going help you to make a more believable, engaging story if you're a somewhat competent writer. There're many ways to write a good story, being in consistent with and acknowledging the setting is one of them but also not the only way. I just gave one of the possible improvement, and yeah, making Junker an actually interesting character helps that too. Being a scavenger is his identity, a member of the post-apocalyptic world, from that point it'd be obviously anyone can use that to further expanse on his character, his personality. Having him listening to a robot talking and do nothing reflecting his character is a waste of potential. Who's to say they're not utilizing the post-apocalyptic world? It's a pretty big part of the story, it just wasn't the focal point of the story in episode 1. "Nothing reflecting his character is a waste of potential" I don't see how he doesn't have character at this point in the story. He makes decisions and takes actions in the plot beyond not giving a shit. Why did he not blow Yumemi away? Why did he turn back? These are all related to character. DaBackpack said: What I think you're describing isn't poor storytelling but a laid-back and empathetic tone. If a laid-back and empathetic tone is what they're going for then what's the point of the fight scene at the beginning? And I'm damn sure it's gonna get gritty and serious later on. They could've started at Junker accidentally finding the facility when he's wandering in the city looking for supplies. Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou actually did the same thing and better at this. That's a fair point, but I think they really needed to introduce the 'vicious' robots and that was a fairly organic way to set up the man v robot tension. That scene is only what, 4 minutes or so? The remaining 14 minutes are in the new environment. |
DaBackpackJul 7, 2016 5:51 PM
| I liked the episode. Yumemi is annoying as a robot should be. It needs to explain better why the MC even care about it. |
DaBackpack said: It being made explicit doesn't mean clunky exposition, it means it's easy to discern. But we still don't get any of that. I wouldn't be surprised if someone describe the story as generic because it plays out the exact same way you've expected. DaBackpack said: Who's to say they're not utilizing the post-apocalyptic world? It's a pretty big part of the story, it just wasn't the focal point of the story in episode 1. You may have the impression that I want it to be a story like Fallout or whatever, but all I'm asking is for the production team to tell a better story, right from the start. That's all. The director or the writer should really try harder if the audience think nothing but how they can tell a better story than the professionals do. DaBackpack said: I don't see how he doesn't have character at this point in the story. He makes decisions and takes actions in the plot beyond not giving a shit. Why did he not blow Yumemi away? Why did he turn back? These are all related to character. That isn't his character. This is just his action/reaction or his appearance. Everything is just on the surface including his gaze on the ceiling when he seemingly disappointed that Jena was broken and the necklace he's wearing. You can't tell what's really bothering him or his view on the whole situation from this episode, he just doesn't have a strong presence on the screen then again, since he doesn't even have a back story or a memorable character design he is fairly generic as in not being interesting. DaBackpack said: I think they really needed to introduce the 'vicious' robots and that was a fairly organic way to set up the man v robot tension. A fight scene isn't necessary. All they have to do is to show him sneak around the city avoiding the robots' detection and have a more menacing design on those robots. It's way better than having him running away from them even though they can move at an incredible speed and have a clear sight of Junker but still lose track of him in the next scene. They can have the robots become a real threat later on. You have a good-looking, gentle, well-mannered, kind female robot who is dedicated in serving humanity, I think it's pretty obvious what they're trying to accomplish. |
| I'm not sure why people are having a hard time connecting Junker's motivation to stick around for the starry sky to the current state of the sky he knows. I mean it literally panned to the clouded sky after Yumemi said the words "starry sky" |
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| Phew, good thing she didn't call those pursuing drone to fix miss Jena. Feel the broken! |
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| Never read anything about this series, never played the VN, so basically coming in absolutely blind. That said, I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit. There's always that mysterious factor that post-apocalyptic shows have, in that you are delving into an entirely new situation and timeline of some decades or centuries into the future, and yet a lot of the setting still seems eerily familiar. Shows like this that utilize a very mortal character and pair them with an essentially "immortal" character just to show you the passage of time and to make you compare ones insignificant time on this earth with that of another who has time in major abundance always hits me in the feels on a deep, deep level. The initial sequence where Hoshino was first started up, then abandoned by the planetarium staff and laid to rest for 30 years, and then the first boot-up in this new era, really hit home. I get the feeling that we're basically revisiting the same questions from Plastic Memories again, except this time the android is incapable of "feelings". It's like watching a case study of human interactions between a human and an object programmed to be like a human unfold and whatever philosophical discussions it may bring. Looking forward to seeing more of this. See some potential in this show. |
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| Planetarium and Rewrite omg omg |
| I'm guessing this anime is going to emotionally break me. Key why do you make me cry? Yumemi is extremely cute though. |
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| Great adaptation so far! And I wasn't expecting to see Yumemi's memories of the staff that early in the story, that nearly broke me ;_; The only thing I'm missing is the further detail the VN puts into world building; an important part of Planetarian's charm is the contrast between that warm, small planetarium, and the depressing world outside. Instead the anime went straight into building the relationship between the Junker and Yumemi, so I hope they go back to the world building aspect at some moment. |
| I'm glad that she isn't an android who's capable of human emotions and thought like in Plastic Memories otherwise I'd be feeling extremely sad right now. I'll just think of her as an advanced Asimo robot, so whatever happens to her won't affect me much. Guess MC is going to help repair the projector so she can show him the stars, but then what? MC lives on being a scavenger? MC somehow dies with her asking his corpse why he isn't moving? Robot girl gets destroyed? Expecting some forced drama since it's from key but not sure how they'll deliver it under this setting. If this show manages to make me care about the robot by the end then I'll be damned, definite 10/10. |
perje said: danieltortoisee said: Is the episode meant to only be 19 minutes long? Yes. There should be 5 episodes total released on various streaming sites in promotion for the movie in September. Really just 5 episodes? where did you hear about it having only 5 episodes? |
| Very interesting reminds me of Plastic Memories. |
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| I kinda liked the whole eath end fututre setting....kinda interesting to watch but felt quite sad seeing that Robot you know |
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| This looks interesting, nice first episode, and of course it will remind you of Plastic Memories and or Dimension W to some extent, but of course the interactions between the protagonists seems to be extremely different. |
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| It was enough to interest me but not enough to make me believe 4-5 ONAs will tell me a complete story. Only the fact both characters seem "disconnected" from their occupations: The android design doesn't fit entirely well with its designated function:why a little girl rather than a young woman to welcome clients and introduce the shows? I didn't understand why the scavenger's first thought once he undestood "she" was a high-tech robot wasn't to make his duties with her. Particularly when she said she had multiple problems: just offering help could make the job easier. Still a good surprise for me to be interested in something spawning (again) from a text-game. Especially with the brand KEY attached to it. 4/5 @Sometimes791 Thank you. |
Rei_IIIJul 8, 2016 3:31 AM
Rei366 said: It was enough to interest me but not enough to make me believe 4-5 ONAs will tell me a complete story. The VN is around 4 hours long, so it will be enough to adapt everything. Whether you deem the story as a whole as complete or not, is your decision. Still a good surprise for me to be interested in something spawning (again) from a (porn?) text-game. Especially with the brand KEY attached to it. The VN contains no porn (I think almost nothing of Key contains erotic content). If you're interested, this VN is pretty old because it was first released in 2004 (in terms of VN pretty early). It doesn't contain any side routes, so there is only one ending to be adapted. Thus the story is basically set in stone. |
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| Erm, so, I don't mind spoilers, but if someone could put in a spoiler tag if they, I would really appreciate it: Is Yumemi sentient? Can she learn or retain information at all? Does she ever develop any sort of personality traits besides her currently broken service routines? |
| Seems to be a good adaptation, my only issue is that isn't the rain supposed to be harmful or deadly? Why the hell was he able to run in it or are they just ignoring it in this adaptation. This is my only problem with it as of yet, so I gave it a 4/5. |
AzureSymphony said: Really good adaptation so far, they nailed most of the important parts but they cut mentions of the rain being harmful which could cause confusion. The ED didn't fit at all though. I see a lot of concerns/confusion in here from people who haven't read the VN, let me just say that almost all of them are going to be addressed. But keep in mind that Planetarian was a short kinetic VN (about 4 hours) that is focused mostly on the interactions between Yumemi and the Junker as well as delving a little bit into the current state of the world as well as Yumemi's past. The start is slow and the end will pay off. neonie said: Erm, so, I don't mind spoilers, but if someone could put in a spoiler tag if they, I would really appreciate it: Is Yumemi sentient? neonie said: Can she learn or retain information at all? neonie said: Does she ever develop any sort of personality traits besides her currently broken service routines? Hmm, that mostly answers my questions. Thank you very much for your reply. I think I'll keep watching for now, to see where it goes, then. |
TheLittleRedHero said: Murasa22 said: I can't stand these people bashing Rewrite..MAL is indeed a cancerous community. Anyway, this episode went too fast...i wish it was a 24min lenght episode :( Well MAL is rather cancerous in forums at times (not all the time of course). or more like: MAL is a fair reflection of human society. as for the episode itself: actually I like it that they make it shorter than usual anime episodes. After all, one of the selling point of Planetarian VN was that it was very short,yet it was still able to deliver the same "crying element" you get in KEY games. lol that insult from raven, btw. I wonder why he seems to be so upset being called an elitist... when he is one? (And I didn't even mean that as an insult originally. ^^;) @raveninthemuddle : yeah I am a pleb, thank you for pointing that out. :) |
| I haven't watched the episode nor have I played the VN, and that's why I have a question: Is this going to be a robot/human romance thing? Or any kind of romance? It sounds kinda interesting but I would want to know that beforehand. |
| Visual LN fan. I am not prepared for this at all and honestly had no clue this was coming out so imagine my surprise. Though the animation isn't as good as I wanted to be I can't really complain and will take any victory since this game was released in 2004. I do fear that since it's 5 episodes, the pacing for this might be a little too fast, 6 or 7 would be perfect and whatever that they couldn't get in on the series, they can put on the movie. I really fucking hope that they adapt the Drama CD's to end the series. It would be a crime if they do not. Fans of this series, rejoice! We get an animated version of this classic story instead of looking at the 12 year old CG Stills For others who are skeptical, give it a chance since its only 5 episodes. Like most Visual LN, it's a story driven show. 4/5: Good intro to the series. Though I may be a little bias based off nostalgia. |
TehSnawnJul 8, 2016 7:40 AM
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Revvie-chan said: lol that insult from raven, btw. I wonder why he seems to be so upset being called an elitist... when he is one? (And I didn't even mean that as an insult originally. ^^;) >>Failed to see the difference between an insult and a strong response. >>Failed to see how the word 'Elitist' has a negative connotation and pretend to be innocent when you were name-calling. Naive. |
| I've read the VN the same day as the episode came out. I think it won't have too much episodes judging by the length of the source material but it still looks promising. Get ready for the feels - it's a work of Key after all. |
| This anime looks promising(It could be really really good) compared to the other key adaptation airing this season >.> |
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| One of the very, very few VN's I've actually read (you could get it on the Itunes store!) so I'm pleased to see it got a decent adaptation. |
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| Interesting start! Loved the visuals as expected of David Productions. Ost was decent too and I love the atmosphere so far. |
NickDrake said: When Hoshino says "Mr Customer, you're supposed to laugh here," all I could think about was Jeb Bush saying "Please clap" lol omg In the opening scene, the music playing is the hymn "Israel, Israel, God is Calling", or at least that's what it is to me. The music itself I believe is public domain, and probably used in many other places, but the moment I recognized it, I just couldn't help thinking of that church hymn. So now I'm wondering what its context is with the scene in question lol. Other than that, it's nice to look at, and it sounds like there's something on the horizon about this little series. I have no idea what's going to happen, or what this is all about, but I'll keep watching. |
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| I'm so happy ! finally an android with a TRUE robot personnality ! |
| The setting really interests me! A ruined world where people have to scavenge for food. But then an android unaware has been waiting in that planetarium for 30 years. I wonder how this will progress. |
raveninthemuddle said: Revvie-chan said: lol that insult from raven, btw. I wonder why he seems to be so upset being called an elitist... when he is one? (And I didn't even mean that as an insult originally. ^^;) >>Failed to see the difference between an insult and a strong response. >>Failed to see how the word 'Elitist' has a negative connotation and pretend to be innocent when you were name-calling. Naive. But he's right too, why are you so mean with the animes ? :O You dropped so many of them... |
| Pretty cute and interesting episode IMO, kinda wondering if there was anything important (besides the food) in that bag the dude dropped in the beginning. 4/5 |
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| Watching that first scene with the staff when you've finished the VN already just makes you wanna sit in the corner and cry. |
Titadou said: because that anime doesn't worth his time to spend on?raveninthemuddle said: >>Failed to see the difference between an insult and a strong response. >>Failed to see how the word 'Elitist' has a negative connotation and pretend to be innocent when you were name-calling. Naive. But he's right too, why are you so mean with the animes ? :O You dropped so many of them... |
raveninthemuddle said: Still one should expect the characters think and act like they're in a world that has gone to hell and looking for anything they can use to survive. That's the point of having a post-apocalyptic setting. Even Junker is a scavenger right from the start. It's laughable when Junker said he's looking for high-tech machinery yet he seemingly doesn't pay attention to the value that Yumemi (being a highly-sophisticated robot even for its time) and the whole complex can bring to the table. They could've used that to create some interesting scene where Yumemi has to make a stand of convincing Junker to leave her alone and Junker using charm or wit to trick Yumemi into submission (if that's part of his personality). That's way more interesting than him constantly being annoyed, Yumemi being clueless the whole time, and we have to look at his frowny face for the entire episode because there's a conflict of interest (i.e. drama). You've misconstrue the setting and the protagonist's profession. Post apocalyptic could mean anytime after a calamitous event where progress has come to a halt or has become impeded. The story explicitly states said event began 30 years ago so basically if it had already ended it couldn't have been more then a decade or two ago give or take a few years. Their way of life isn't even explored yet alone cemented in that amount of time so to assume there's already a ridged system in place is incorrect. There's also the misconception that a scavenger means to horde. If so then yes, he would of taken the robot the second he could. Otherwise there's really no point. Why would you want to lug around something heavy that requires constant recharging and doesn't offer much use in return. He even states that the things he looks for are basic necessities like medicine and food. Even if we were to add mechanical parts on the list I doubt there would be much use for an android who requires specialized technicians to handle. Logically you'd leave it there and come back for it when there's a need. I doubt they've rebuilt civilization so fast they are already rediscovering and repurposing technological feats like androids and artificial intelligence. raveninthemuddle said: You may have the impression that I want it to be a story like Fallout or whatever, but all I'm asking is for the production team to tell a better story, right from the start. That's all. The director or the writer should really try harder if the audience think nothing but how they can tell a better story than the professionals do. You see now, you've just shot yourself in the foot. Better story? For whom? Haven't played the source material, haven't considered the period of time it was released, and oblivious (or simply just deaf) to it's history. You say it doesn't utilize the post apocalyptic world but how? Because they've done things you disagree with? Okay. Any of those things actually contradict to the story? None yet. So where's the gripe? You've completely missed the point of the plot, if you're even familiar with it at all, and are just nit picking things like setting and motivation when in reality the setting is actually the staging and character motivation is indeed justified. The first episode has been pretty accurate as to what is portrayed in the VN, haven't played it in years though. Anyone who has played it knows what they're in for and anyone with a good head on their shoulders knows not to expect a deep and rich backdrop or character exploration since the game was 4 hours at best. People say 4 hours but honestly I remember my experience being around 2 hours. Yeah, don't know what you're expecting since the narrative is pretty much done and finished years ago. |
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