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| I feel so sad about the robot.. She is so kind. I hope everything works well for her. I dont know if ill continue watching coz i dont wanna cry XD I am a sucker for these kind of characters |
LordLagann said: Why would you want to lug around something heavy that requires constant recharging and doesn't offer much use in return. Even if we were to add mechanical parts on the list The junker already said sophisticated machinery is part of his loot in his monologue. And yeah, don't try to look for anything useful or find a way to make something useful out of it, you got a huge complex with a functional robot and a working power supply. Nope, I'm not a specialist so I gave up. No point in doing any investigation. And btw, an veteran just told me don't ever response to a robot (which I assume he is talking about the same one which doesn't make any sense but okay, the whole scene is one big confusion, and also can the veteran guy be more vague? So typical), and that freaking robot is standing right in front of me, I should act like I don't give a shit. THIS is got to be one of the most unimaginative story I've ever watched and you are saying I'm wrong because I want the story to be good in the eyes of anyone who's not already unconditional surrendered because they read the VN? Just look at the excuses you given. These meant jack shit for me or anyone who don't know and wasn't impressed by the story and rightfully so. And is it really that hard to understand that using the setting is just one way to make the story more compelling than it should be as I've stated? Why have the junker just sit down and rest for the rest of the run-time when he could running around exploring the facility and making meaningful and interesting interaction with Yumemi, this is one time that I'm fine with stereotyping because you can at least make it symbolic like the junker represents the current state of humanity hanging by a thread and living like rats, and the planetarian is the only safe and restful place on earth but the junker keep destroying it because of the circumstances he's in. COME ON! It's short but try damn it! LordLagann said: You see now, you've just shot yourself in the foot. Better story? For whom? Haven't played the source material, haven't considered the period of time it was released, and oblivious (or simply just deaf) to it's history. Anyone who has played it knows what they're in for and anyone with a good head on their shoulders knows not to expect a deep and rich backdrop or character exploration since the game was 4 hours at best. For anyone who's not a fan of the VN or exposed to the series previously? An anime and a movie adaptation more than ten years later, you don't expect only fans would watch them, do you? So you say I have to consider the time period when it was originally released? Fine, you know what two good anime adaptations came out that year? Gunslinger Girl and Koi Kaze, both slightly changed the tone but kept the spirit of the original and both have vastly superior story-telling than most anime today, they were like promotion more than a cheap way to lure or pander to any specific demographic, and IT WAS 12 YEARS AGO. You see now? When you actually know what a good adaptation looks like or feels like you just wondering why it has to be so rare that almost every time the only way I can enjoy these so call 'adaptations' nowadays is to pretend I'm one of those responsible for the anime (thanks that one-time summer internship that made me realized I deserved better than what the industry could offer) who don't have to put story-telling and viewer experience as their top priority, who's job is to make sure the product made within budget limit and schedule with any measure necessary so I don't have to have any reasonable expectations as an audience member because I know that more than half the time they just can't make it up to the standard, they just can't. BUT SOME DID. Hell even One Punch Man is a project filled with passions from different animators that even though I didn't enjoy it but I still respect it for the efforts the animators poured in. And now comes this anime that I can just labeled it as "Just another Key anime" and that's all I need to tell people who want to check it out. You gave up, but I didn't. If it works for you fine, you are obviously looking at it from a VERY, VERY different prospective than mine. But don't say I'm wrong when all I want is the production team to grab on the one chance to make a worthy stand-alone adaptation. If all I want is nip-picking or bashing it for fun you won't see me giving any thoughts of mine that would probably make a better story out of it. It may not be the story you want. But I'm damn sure I like it. And you should too. |
raveninthemuddleJul 9, 2016 3:31 AM
| Decent 1st episode |
| Somehow, watching this made my heart hurt. Even though she's a robot. Why... |
| wow, I seriously got to commend @raveninthemuddle for his effort, regardless of opinions & taste, he puts one hell of a long essay. Shows his love to anime in general. (and I do mean love, with its good sides & bad sides.) btw, oh so you see that as an insult? Sorry, then. :) Nah, I seriously didn't mean that as an insult, believe me or not. You may call me naive or plebs or whatever as you like it, but do know I don't think I was wrong when I called you an elitist. I mean: the proof's lying on the floor. ^^; Well, I don't think I'll have enough time to do a gospel, so I'll keep this short: What you think is good isn't what people think is. So, to anyone trying to convince raven: please, guys, stop it. The dude is set on his own mind. (same advice to raven, actually, but well... I think I'm not the first guy to tell you this, yes?) |
| Wow, wasn't expecting this! Watching the junker and Yumemi animated like this, It's really great! Played the VN a long time ago, and It seems like they're going to do a great adaptation. You guys are in for a ride! |
I don't know what subs you were reading but in mine he said precision equipment; which still doesn't cover complex service androids. Precision equipment in their speak would mean parts for engines, lamps, or anything that would ease their basic living habits. You know, thing's that are usually mechanically structured and not computer controlled. You said the story is no good but what factual, or even legitimate, claims have you made to back that up? Offering some random rabbit hole logic that's preferable to you isn't cutting it. Fixating on something as trivial as the semantics of his job profession or the minute details of what a post apocalyptic setting should be are your Achilles heel. It shows you really aren't interested in what's in front of you because you're already predisposed to an existing opinion rather then looking at it squarely. Haha, you're really gonna throw Manga, VN, and Anime all into one because they simply had adaptions? Boy I remember when I was that foolish to cross compare multiple titles regardless of their genre's and mediums. Well this is MAL after all. Where people recommend series based on the color of a protagonist hair. As far as an adaption goes it's been pretty close to it's source material. The source material which has been well received among different platforms in varying years over the past decade. Yeah, it's looking more bleak for you the longer this goes on. Honestly if it's come to that point where you're nitpicking specific titles that aren't even in the same category, let alone the same platform, it's better if you'd just stop embarrassing yourself. I don't understand what that middle part has to do with anything. It's neither here nor there in discussing why you think this is bad or where the so called short comings in the story are. It's just you rambling on how you should be excused from any legitimate discussion and how your opinions should go unquestioned. I'm not a big fan of tripe so please stop feeding it to me. What you've said has nothing to do with story, setting, or character motivations. It's all in your head. It's about how this show doesn't fit into the arbitrary bag of trail mix and how you're trying to change the taste of it to better suit your palette. It's been nothing but nitpicking like a 5 year old who doesn't eat his vegetables. That silly excuse of "even I can respect OPM" when all you done is enjoy the eye candy is laughable. Since when is OPM a badge of anything other than mainstream shonen culture. What, you want a cookie because you're one of the countless other casuals who saw OPM and didn't hate it? Everyone else has already seen you for pompous charlatan that you are so might as well stop with some dignity. |
LordLagannJul 9, 2016 3:24 PM
Fencel said: tl;dr: I don't like it not because of any demerits but because it's not what I was expecting. Just FYI; You don't have to quote the whole thing if you don't have better things to say, no one is gonna miss it. LordLagann said: You said the story is no good but what factual, or even legitimate, claims have you made to back that up? How about the chase scene when the junker conveniently escaped the pursue of those fast-moving, highly maneuverable robots that already had him on sight? How about that scene when the junker having a dream of flash back to some guy talking to him earlier how to make things more confusing and his reaction seems more unnatural? What about the clunky, lazy exposition they gave to reveal the junker's identity and motive running around in the city? We are so hung up on the portion that relates to how the junker's character should be handled for the better of the story that we completely glossed over other short-comings of the story. And I have mentioned it before either in my previous post or the posts to other users. LordLagann said: I don't know what subs you were reading but in mine he said precision equipment; which still doesn't cover complex service androids. Why can't he disable Yumemi and break her apart for the smaller parts like electric motors in her limbs and the optical devices in her head etc? I bet they are somewhat useful. What about the huge projector sitting right here? I'm not mechanic but it's sure tempting to check out if I can somehow disintegrate it and scavenge what I can. Why can't the anime shows the junker has these thoughts come across his mind only to later realize he can't do that whether it's because he simply doesn't have the resources or discovers something more important than continuing his tedious worthless existence as a scavenger or something? Why can't character development starts the moment the two MCs met? LordLagann said: It shows you really aren't interested in what's in front of you because you're already predisposed to an existing opinion rather then looking at it squarely. It sounds more like you who already knew what you want and how the story is gonna player out therefore stop thinking already. Fans huh? If so not a surprise. LordLagann said: Haha, you're really gonna throw Manga, VN, and Anime all into one because they simply had adaptions? A good adaptation is a good adaptation, regardless of the source material, I didn't even mention the two aforementioned titles are both manga. I only said the anime adaptations of those titles are vastly superior than most other adaptations. I don't know how did you come up with that sentiment or you are just deliberately pulling off a straw man. LordLagann said: It's just you rambling on how you should be excused from any legitimate discussion and how your opinions should go unquestioned. I'm not a big fan of tripe so please stop feeding it to me. Everyone who argued with me (including you) comes from a prospective of someone who knows what they're in for, most of them are happy with what they get, some of them are even fans. But I'm not. I'm obviously that one anomaly here who doesn't want to be part of the circle-jerk here on MAL, who has a strong opinion and a sharp tone, who only had a minimal exposure to the series (not the VN medium I reminded you), tried to offer my side of the arguments and this is how many of them responded: go read the VN, and said those changes are not gonna make sense because how they won't make sense in the VN too or just they don't want to change anything for the better. Can you see what you want isn't a 'real' anime adaptation but just an illusion, an illusion that only works for those who already brainwashed themselves. |
raveninthemuddle said: LordLagann said: You said the story is no good but what factual, or even legitimate, claims have you made to back that up? How about the chase scene when the junker conveniently escaped the pursue of those fast-moving, highly maneuverable robots that already had him on sight? How about that scene when the junker having a dream of flash back to some guy talking to him earlier how to make things more confusing and his reaction seems more unnatural? What about the clunky, lazy exposition they gave to reveal the junker's identity and motive running around in the city? We are so hung up on the portion that relates to how the junker's character should be handled for the better of the story that we completely glossed over other short-comings of the story. And I have mentioned it before either in my previous post or the posts to other users. He hid behind a wall. Sight broken. He says don't talk to the robot. that implies that you can if you wanted to, talk to the robot. Your conjecture I think is that you believe it's a life threatening warning and the source of your confusion. Clunky? I don't think it was hard to follow and only a few lines. raveninthemuddle said: LordLagann said: I don't know what subs you were reading but in mine he said precision equipment; which still doesn't cover complex service androids. Why can't he disable Yumemi and break her apart for the smaller parts like electric motors in her limbs and the optical devices in her head etc? I bet they are somewhat useful. What about the huge projector sitting right here? I'm not mechanic but it's sure tempting to check out if I can somehow disintegrate it and scavenge what I can. Why can't the anime shows the junker has these thoughts come across his mind only to later realize he can't do that whether it's because he simply doesn't have the resources or discovers something more important than continuing his tedious worthless existence as a scavenger or something? Why can't character development starts the moment the two MCs met? You seem to imply there's a contradiction and want the character to be aggressively eager about his goals. Just because he's after anything doesn't mean he wants everything. He isn't contractually employed and doesn't have to follow any rules or methods. The setting just adds even more reason for a possibly lax nature. He's the junker, not you, and will make up his own mind about what's useful. The anime doesn't have to show those thoughts because they aren't important. If it was explicitly established he was after specific robot and projector parts then maybe that stuff would be necessary but you are just basing it all on a vague mention of possible items of interest. |
| A naive, innocent robot in a harsh post-apocalyptic world, I'd say wipe her memory now so we would be spared of possible heart tugging drama in the future like pitying, being endeared and actually giving a damn about "it", OK? Oh dear, I don't know what I'm getting into...ah well, too late now. ^_^ |
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perje said: He hid behind a wall. Sight broken. Please rewatch the part starting from 2:30 when he noticed the building, then in 2 seconds later cut to a POV shot showing those pursuing robots and then a cut showing he was in plain sights of those robots and closing in, and 3 seconds after that cut back to the junker, only to show a low angle shot of him running as the building as part of the background and the scene ended and faded to black at 2:38. And you're telling me that whole sequence makes total sense because of a stupid wall we don't even see him doing some clever maneuver to hide behind it? (my source: Niconico) perje said: He says don't talk to the robot. that implies that you can if you wanted to, talk to the robot. Your conjecture I think is that you believe it's a life threatening warning and the source of your confusion. Why would I, or the junker, or anyone not be careful when almost everything in the city is trying to kill you and take his advice to the heart? And he said 'don't talk to it even if you are provoked!', as in 'don't ever do that!', why would you interpret it in this way especially when he seems like a veteran who knows his shit? And if he is at the top of his game, why would him be so vague about this one obviously 'the most troubling' thing when looting in the city when there are robots pose a bigger threat? The scene has given so little information and so inconveniently that I just wish they replaced it with some generic back-story of the junker, that would actually make more sense don't you think? perje said: Clunky? I don't think it was hard to follow and only a few lines. Of course if you spell everything out it's gonna be easy to follow. But since the junker is already collecting food and other supplies as it was what happened on the screen why add a couple of insignificant dialogue to disrupt the flow of the scene? Just in case some of our 'special' audience don't get it, huh? It's called redundancy, and bad story-telling. perje said: You seem to imply there's a contradiction and want the character to be aggressively eager about his goals. As if being a reasonably proactive character is a bad thing. And by that I have to give Yumemi credits. She is dysfunctional and annoying, but she is still proactive and in line with her character, therefore you don't see me complaint about her. Her character is perfectly fine for this story. perje said: If it was explicitly established he was after specific robot and projector parts Why would it be needed? He is a scavenger that's what he does to survive. Is it really, really that difficult to understand? |
raveninthemuddleJul 10, 2016 5:22 AM
| This was way too beautiful. I've got nothing but love for Planetarian. I should really play it soon lol been sitting on my PC for way too long. |
| A bit too much talking for me, but still the story is very interesting so far. |
| Interesting beginning. Great tone and set up! |
| Good episode, the introduction of the premise is well presented, about the city being destroyed by a bomb thing and got abandoned by the people, but there's the machine patrol-like defending the city from intruders. The animation suit the drama thing. I'm feeling the drama atmosphere on this, the robot, Hoshino, was left alone by the staffs of the planetarian, but still she was still doing her work, though she's not aware of what happened in the city, being abandoned and with no more people around, well its because it was the program on her. But well she got lucky, a man calling himself a junker, did meet her. The feels thing did caught me when she said something like 'we'll waiting for your return', she was just always there waiting, though she's not aware that someone will surely returned, I just felt sorry for her. Looking forward for the next episode. |
Neo_oeNJul 10, 2016 7:10 AM
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| Watch and learn, 8bit. Watch and learn... |
| I was one of the first to complain about what I saw in the PV. I'm glad to say I can put my worries to rest. - They did not overuse music; way better sound design than I was expecting. They followed the "Less is More" rule after all and I'm pretty happy about that. - Pretty faithful to the VN so far. - Yumemi is annoying, as it (or she) should be. And the voice acting is scarily on point despite being a different actress from the original. There wasn't much world building but the atmosphere in the planetarium and the Junker's interaction with Yumemi is faithful to the VN. Good signs so far. |
| Truth be told, it's rather difficult to outright butcher a Planetarian adaptation, given the structure of the original - but it's equally difficult to make it shine. For the moment it looks okay and gets me legitimately interested in the forthcoming movie, though. |
Gotrys_Cheslock said: Watch and learn, 8bit. Watch and learn... While 8bit are doing a half-assed job at Rewrite, I can't imagine any other studio/director handling it decently. It's one of those VNs which simply cannot be adapted faithfully. |
Restless_Hero said: Gotrys_Cheslock said: Watch and learn, 8bit. Watch and learn... While 8bit are doing a half-assed job at Rewrite, I can't imagine any other studio/director handling it decently. It's one of those VNs which simply cannot be adapted faithfully. It's a tough nut to crack but it can be done (it doesn't have to be 1:1 adaptation). But not by these 8bit slackers, obviously. They aren't even trying. |
| It's been years since I have read Planetarian. It's so nice to finally see anime adaptation after all these years. <3 Also, is it just me or was that scene where older man tells Junker to ignore Yumemi anime original? I don't remember it being in the kinetic novel. But then again, I read it several years ago. |
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raveninthemuddle said: perje said: He hid behind a wall. Sight broken. Please rewatch the part starting from 2:30 when he noticed the building, then in 2 seconds later cut to a POV shot showing those pursuing robots and then a cut showing he was in plain sights of those robots and closing in, and 3 seconds after that cut back to the junker, only to show a low angle shot of him running as the building as part of the background and the scene ended and faded to black at 2:38. And you're telling me that whole sequence makes total sense because of a stupid wall we don't even see him doing some clever maneuver to hide behind it? (my source: Niconico) perje said: He says don't talk to the robot. that implies that you can if you wanted to, talk to the robot. Your conjecture I think is that you believe it's a life threatening warning and the source of your confusion. Why would I, or the junker, or anyone not be careful when almost everything in the city is trying to kill you and take his advice to the heart? And he said 'don't talk to it even if you are provoked!', as in 'don't ever do that!', why would you interpret it in this way especially when he seems like a veteran who knows his shit? And if he is at the top of his game, why would him be so vague about this one obviously 'the most troubling' thing when looting in the city when there are robots pose a bigger threat? The scene has given so little information and so inconveniently that I just wish they replaced it with some generic back-story of the junker, that would actually make more sense don't you think? perje said: Clunky? I don't think it was hard to follow and only a few lines. Of course if you spell everything out it's gonna be easy to follow. But since the junker is already collecting food and other supplies as it was what happened on the screen why add a couple of insignificant dialogue to disrupt the flow of the scene? Just in case some of our 'special' audience don't get it, huh? It's called redundancy, and bad story-telling. perje said: You seem to imply there's a contradiction and want the character to be aggressively eager about his goals. As if being a reasonably proactive character is a bad thing. And by that I have to give Yumemi credits. She is dysfunctional and annoying, but she is still proactive and in line with her character, therefore you don't see me complaint about her. Her character is perfectly fine for this story. perje said: If it was explicitly established he was after specific robot and projector parts Why would it be needed? He is a scavenger that's what he does to survive. Is it really, really that difficult to understand? Maybe all you're lacking is a sense of conscience. Clearly the amount of anime, manga, and vns you've experienced seems to have had a disillusioning effect upon your mentality towards these stories and rendered you unable to understand the value of human emotion. This is why people call you an elitist: you try to judge a story solely based on the logical progression of its plot rather than the emotional intelligence it requires you to have. Stories are more than just cold logic and plot consistency; storytelling has existed for so long because they enable humans to experience such wondrous emotions. Emotion is powerful, and is a completely legitimate aspect to weave into your storytelling. Yes, the MC is a Junker who scavenges for a living in a dead world. However, he is still a human, and what would a human do when suddenly coming face to face with a seemingly beautiful young human girl in the midst of a war-torn city? The contrast between the non-human robots in the beginning and Yumemi's incredibly human appearance should be enough to answer that. He most definitely would not think of destroying a shockingly human-looking robot just to scavenge it for parts that may not even be of any practical use for survival. People like you are the reason why anime is dying, and why so many others have begun relegating emotional connectivity to the bottom of the barrel in storytelling. You have lost your capacity to be human and can no longer appreciate a work for what it is, instead trying to pick it apart because it does not suit your own mold of storytelling. If you continue to think your opinion is the most right, then why do so many other people think that this is an excellent introduction to the series, even to the point of refuting your points on plot inconsistency whenever you bring them up? The numbers don't lie, and you remain an outlier. |
suikaMUSIC said: Maybe all you're lacking is a sense of conscience. "Can't prove your arguments are invalid. You must be a bastard." Good statement you are making here. You must be so proud of yourself. And you know who would make that statement? An Elitist. Just some minor word change you'll see; Maybe all you're lacking is the basic intelligence to understand and appreciate the most fundamental principle of good story-telling. suikaMUSIC said: you try to judge a story solely based on the logical progression of its plot rather than the emotional intelligence it requires you to have. So you are basically saying 'feels' is more important than the logical progression of the plot (which is only one of the possible, not the only) and the merits in story-telling, and everyone who has a different preference than you do, who can spot the incompetency or inconsistency on the production team's part and don't want to become emotionally connected to the story because of that, is a emotionless horrible human being. Way to go buddy! I don't know simply posting on MAL can give me so many insights on different aspects of human nature. suikaMUSIC said: He most definitely would not think of destroying a shockingly human-looking robot just to scavenge it for parts that may not even be of any practical use for survival. It's always like this huh? You guys can always think of every excuses for the lack of effort on the writer's or director's part, I mean why do we even need character development anymore? let's just have the audience making presumption that is convenient to story that the writer didn't spend any thoughts on? Writing is hard you know. It's almost like you are contractually bonded to the anime. Tell me, what did the anime ever do to you to make you can't even take any criticism? suikaMUSIC said: People like you are the reason why anime is dying I thought anime is dying because people stop thinking and thus stop acting. You sure nailed the first part. suikaMUSIC said: If you continue to think your opinion is the most right, then why do so many other people think that this is an excellent introduction to the series, even to the point of refuting your points on plot inconsistency whenever you bring them up? The numbers don't lie, and you remain an outlier. I'm the one here keep defending my position and still here today after I dropped the anime more than a week ago and made my comments here and where did every body who had argument with me go? If I'm wrong then why don't they come back, stay here and tell me I'm wrong? It's the internet. No one force you to quit. And don't try to pull the silent majority into our debate here. They didn't make noises therefore they matter not to us. You and me are the only two right here, right now making exchanges. It's not the freaking Brexit vote. Only those who voiced matters. Your response are filled with relentless, baseless attack on my personality and my judgement while offering almost nothing intelligent or logically sound, or any valid counter-arguments to the criticisms I made in previous posts, not to mention that dirty little trick of yours trying to accuse me I'm part of the bigger problem. We learned nothing here, offer something better or stay in the shallow. |
raveninthemuddleJul 12, 2016 2:11 AM
I won't even bother going into how much flamebait is in your post, but I will at least tell you this. Being unable to even recognize how much baseless emphasis you put on simple logical progression--which is the mere baseline for a story to succeed, is completely ridiculous. The points of inconsistency you've mentioned have already been soundly refuted by the those who posted before me, and no matter how much they try to convince you, you're unlikely to believe either them or me. Anime is dying because people like you are so hostile to the concept of including emotional connectivity in storytelling. Yes, you are an elitist, and the fact that you don't recognize it as such is part of the problem. I did not say that you were an emotionless, terrible, human being, but rather that you do not understand the value of human emotion. I don't think you're a terrible person, and nor do I have the right to say that since I know nothing about you. But based on what you have written in this thread, I can at least say that you do not know why (or have forgotten why) emotional storytelling is so important. Also, regarding the part of the robot looking human, that is an essential part of the story, and is not an excuse for the director to cover up some perceived "flaw" in the writing. Being quick to judge a story and intolerant of the whole picture is not a good trait to have when experiencing new stories. How can you even begin to claim you can see the flaws in the writing when only the first episode has been released? Don't even try to excuse it by saying you know trash when you see it, because you can never fully judge a series until it ends and anyone who says they can legitimately judge is incredibly hubristic. I don't even understand half of the drivel you're leveling at me. Attempting to relegate my criticism to being "shallow" simply because you don't place a personal emphasis on emotional connectivity is not a valid way to refute my points either. Emotional intelligence is a valid form of intelligence, and clearly, you don't have the capacity for it. If emotions weren't so important, there would be virtually no point in writing stories and attempting to connect to those who experience them. Not everything is best reasoned out in cold, hard, logic. That takes away from the soul of a story and its significance. Yes, the silent majority does matter, and don't you dare try to say they don't. Their presence proves that your harsh vitriol directed towards the FIRST EPISODE of this series is not representative of the majority's opinion. Even the vocal minority who have spoken up in this thread have tried to convince you otherwise, but needless to say, they have failed. I find it ironic how you claim that my attacks on your personality and judgment are senseless and unintelligent when you do the exact same toward me, trying to undermine my points with the same old "emotions make you stop thinking so they don't matter" argument. Regarding your points themselves: I don't have to disprove your arguments because they have already been solidly disproved by other posters and yet you continue to remain in denial. Those people have left because they've realized how much of a lost cause it is to convince you of your folly. It's like talking to a brick wall; there's no point in continuing the conversation (if it can be called that) any further. I'm posting because you clearly have no respect for this anime and think that your points are irreproachable, no matter what kind of legitimate criticism they throw at you. Clearly we have very very different worldviews that cannot be reconciled. A pity. |
suikaMUSICJul 12, 2016 3:15 AM
suikaMUSIC said: The points of inconsistency you've mentioned have already been soundly refuted by the those who posted before me, and no matter how much they try to convince you, you're unlikely to believe either them or me. I don't have to disprove your arguments because they have already been solidly disproved by other posters and yet you continue to remain in denial. Yeah they sure demolished me when I pointed out how the robots chase is poorly directed, how the junker's character should be handled to tell a better story, and how confusing and pointless the dream flash-back scene is. This is ridiculous. Can you even read? suikaMUSIC said: Anime is dying because people like you are so hostile to the concept of including emotional connectivity in storytelling. I did not say that you were an emotionless, terrible, human being, but rather that you do not understand the value of human emotion. I don't think you're a terrible person, and nor do I have the right to say that since I know nothing about you. Emotional intelligence is a valid form of intelligence, and clearly, you don't have the capacity for it. "Maybe all you're lacking is a sense of conscience. Clearly the amount of anime, manga, and vns you've experienced seems to have had a disillusioning effect upon your mentality towards these stories and rendered you unable to understand the value of human emotion." So not being able to emotionally connected to the story because it wasn't told well but simply because you can and I couldn't makes you superior than me huh? What about Ping Pong the animation? Am I (or the imaginary 'me' in the convenient narrative of yours) still a lesser being simply because I don't enjoy this anime based on my sound reasoning and fine judgement like you do? Can we start realizing only "good storytelling" should be mattered here and not "emotional storytelling"? suikaMUSIC said: Also, regarding the part of the robot looking human, Looking what? Looking like human? Did I ever mention that Yumemi looking like human is a problem? Did you just make it up? Reading is hard. And if you wanna repeat the same point you made in your first response I'm still gonna repeat this; Is presumption better than actually character development? Is it? suikaMUSIC said: Don't even try to excuse it by saying you know trash when you see it, because you can never fully judge a series No I'm not saying and never did say the whole series is bad. I was just saying the first episode is bad the whole freaking time. You really can't read, can you? suikaMUSIC said: Attempting to relegate my criticism to being "shallow" Sorry that's a typo. I meant shadow like you are some horrible night creatures that hurt people when they are vulnerable. suikaMUSIC said: imply because you don't place a personal emphasis on emotional connectivity My personal emphasis on emotional connectivity is based on how good the storytelling is. Stop telling me how I lack of it because I found the storytelling weak. suikaMUSIC said: Yes, the silent majority does matter, and don't you dare try to say they don't. Their presence proves that your harsh vitriol directed towards the FIRST EPISODE of this series is not representative of the majority's opinion. But I don't see they are joining the little debate we have here. If they think what they say will get recognized why don't they make a response to either of us? I'm all for active participation. If you don't voice your opinion no one will hear you. And you're also saying all my criticisms are instantly invalided not because there's something wrong with my reasoning or illogical thinking but I'm not on the side of the popular opinion. Good luck having fun with the top 10 anime on MAL! suikaMUSIC said: find it ironic how you claim that my attacks on your personality and judgment are senseless and unintelligent when you do the exact same toward me, trying to undermine my points with the same old "emotions make you stop thinking so they don't matter" argument. It always baffles me when the provokers become annoyed when the one they tried to provoke made a strong response and then pretend they are the victims. You still hasn't made a solid argument against mine, you are still relying on how I lack emotional intelligence for something I don't enjoy for good reasons. You tired? suikaMUSIC said: It's like talking to a brick wall No you and those comes before you made that brick wall yourselves not because you want the adaptation to be good in a non-believer's eye, or to promote the series to anyone they can reasonably reach. You just want it to be the exact same thing, keeping the same flaws, the same experience, the same cycle of lackluster adaptations. That's why you can't take criticism but making claims that how I'm emotionally retarded for not enjoying the anime, constantly making up your presumptions of the characters' motives because they're convenient to your own narrative when the anime failed to provide a strong narrative of its own, can't realize the obvious flaws in the directing and pacing, keep telling people who complaint about the story go read to VN forgetting that should be the goal not the cause. I've done it once but let's do it again. It feels right. "I'm posting because you clearly have no respect for anyone who has a different opinion than yours and think that your points are irreproachable, no matter what kind of legitimate criticism they throw at you." |
raveninthemuddleJul 12, 2016 4:42 AM
raveninthemuddle said: Please rewatch the part starting from 2:30 when he noticed the building, then in 2 seconds later cut to a POV shot showing those pursuing robots and then a cut showing he was in plain sights of those robots and closing in, and 3 seconds after that cut back to the junker, only to show a low angle shot of him running as the building as part of the background and the scene ended and faded to black at 2:38. And you're telling me that whole sequence makes total sense because of a stupid wall we don't even see him doing some clever maneuver to hide behind it? (my source: Niconico) Hiding behind cover is a perfectly sound strategy to evade pursuers. raveninthemuddle said: Why would I, or the junker, or anyone not be careful when almost everything in the city is trying to kill you and take his advice to the heart? And he said 'don't talk to it even if you are provoked!', as in 'don't ever do that!', why would you interpret it in this way especially when he seems like a veteran who knows his shit? And if he is at the top of his game, why would him be so vague about this one obviously 'the most troubling' thing when looting in the city when there are robots pose a bigger threat? The scene has given so little information and so inconveniently that I just wish they replaced it with some generic back-story of the junker, that would actually make more sense don't you think? It would be redundant to say not to talk to a robot in a world of KOS robots. Your conjecture is confusing. What is happening isn't. raveninthemuddle said: Of course if you spell everything out it's gonna be easy to follow. But since the junker is already collecting food and other supplies as it was what happened on the screen why add a couple of insignificant dialogue to disrupt the flow of the scene? Just in case some of our 'special' audience don't get it, huh? It's called redundancy, and bad story-telling. It isn't insignificant. They made a choice to explain things with the dialogue. What is shown isn't to explain what scavenging is. What they are showing is the character making his way to the planetarian. raveninthemuddle said: As if being a reasonably proactive character is a bad thing. And by that I have to give Yumemi credits. She is dysfunctional and annoying, but she is still proactive and in line with her character, therefore you don't see me complaint about her. Her character is perfectly fine for this story. raveninthemuddle said: Why would it be needed? He is a scavenger that's what he does to survive. Is it really, really that difficult to understand? Being a good or bad thing has nothing to do with it. He's not getting a performance review for being a junker at the end of the month. He's the junker not you. The scenes you propose aren't needed, there's no basis but conjecture. There's nothing but a vague mention of various items he may be interested in. Nothing specific is stated so you can't specify what you think is important and then say it is out of the junkers character when he doesn't think its important. |
perje said: Hiding behind cover is a perfectly sound strategy to evade pursuers. I'm speechless. I'm really, really speechless. The robots know where he is and they are extremely fast and maneuverable as shown on the screen! And they didn't even have a cut showing the robots lost sights of him! We don't even know how long he had to run to find a cover on the inside of the building! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS! perje said: It would be redundant to say not to talk to a robot in a world of KOS robots. Your conjecture is confusing. What is happening isn't. Do you even understand what you're talking about? He freaking said it! DON'T TALK TO THAT ROBOT EVEN IF YOU'RE PROVOKED! perje said: It isn't insignificant. They made a choice to explain things with the dialogue. What is shown isn't to explain what scavenging is. What they are showing is the character making his way to the planetarian. And like I said that is unnecessary! So you're saying he picks up that weird purple thing and that bottle of wine, jumping into an office isn't part of his task of looking for supplies? And somehow that cannot happen at the same time showing him working his way up? Why? That's the reason why visual storytelling is way better because multiple actions can be show at the same time without any disruption to the flow of the scene. WHY? perje said: Being a good or bad thing has nothing to do with it. What good thing or bad thing? Are you saying he sucks at being a scavenger or what? perje said: Nothing specific is stated so you can't specify what you think is important Oh my god they gave him the identity as a scavenger, that's writing 101. You gave a character an identity, have him do something that relates to that identity! That's the only thing the audience know about him! Why does it have to be specific? |
raveninthemuddle said: I'm speechless. I'm really, really speechless. The robots know where he is and they are extremely fast and maneuverable as shown on the screen! And they didn't even have a cut showing the robots lost sights of him! We don't even know how long he had to run to find a cover on the inside of the building! THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS! Its shown he can create distance between him and the robots. The only times the robots catch up is when he stops or slows down. We know he finds cover and we know they don't know his exact location. raveninthemuddle said: Do you even understand what you're talking about? He freaking said it! DON'T TALK TO THAT ROBOT EVEN IF YOU'RE PROVOKED! He says he met an irritating talking robot. You are getting very confused. raveninthemuddle said: And like I said that is unnecessary! So you're saying he picks up that weird purple thing and that bottle of wine, jumping into an office isn't part of his task of looking for supplies? And somehow that cannot happen at the same time showing him working his way up? Why? That's the reason why visual storytelling is way better because multiple actions can be show at the same time without any disruption to the flow of the scene. WHY? He believes at first its a military facility. Those scenes are there to show it isn't as he makes his way to the planetarian. It makes no effort to explain what scavenging is at all. That's left to the dialogue. raveninthemuddle said: Oh my god they gave him the identity as a scavenger, that's writing 101. You gave a character an identity, have him do something that relates to that identity! That's the only thing the audience know about him! Why does it have to be specific? They gave him the identity of a junker which is a fictional occupation specific to this story and unfamiliar to the viewer. There are already scenes relating to that part of his identity in the show. Him not being interested in robot and projector parts is also part of that identity. |
raveninthemuddle said: Can we start realizing only "good storytelling" should be mattered here and not "emotional storytelling"? I've done it once but let's do it again. It feels right. "I'm posting because you clearly have no respect for anyone who has a different opinion than yours and think that your points are irreproachable, no matter what kind of legitimate criticism they throw at you." This is the exact problem of our entire little "argument" here. You are completely unable to realize that this is your own opinion and are not allowed to apply it as a blanket statement about the quality of all stories as a whole. You claim I am intolerant of other opinions, but I am merely pointing out that your opinion is flawed in that it leaves no room for others to have their own. You are the one who cannot accept other opinions about the importance of emotional connectivity, using the same "emotions make you stop thinking" argument that I brought up before. My points are not irreproachable, but neither are yours. Trying to turn your opinion into undeniable truth while telling others their opinions don't matter is the height of hubris. You have acted incredibly condescending for all of your posts in this thread so far, and coupled with you twisting your "subjective" truth into "objective" truth, I can see why people have begun to spoke up. How many times do I have to say that your perceived "flaws" in the storytelling are not flaws at all, but rather you interpret them that way because they do not fit your personal mold of storytelling? For the record, a story isn't bad because you can come up with a myriad of nitpicking reasons that you delude yourself into thinking exist. There is no need to refute your points because they aren't even "legitimate criticisms" in the first place, but if you insist: 1)The decision to cut out the part of how the Junker escapes the robots is a directing choice, and takes absolutely nothing out of the story. Is using your imagination hard or does everything have to be spelled out for you? Have you even heard of "suspension of disbelief"? 2)So any exposition and explanation is a no-no to you? Maybe it's better if the entire anime is silent and everything is explained through actions instead of dialogue or narrative exposition, because that's the objective best way of storytelling. Well guess what, the best stories have a good combination of both showing and telling. 3)The Junker only remembers the flashback after meeting Yumemi, and even if he did remember it, do you really think that he could continuously assume that an innocuous young girl in front of him means any harm after not attacking him while having the chance to do so for many hours. He is also fatigued, and it is not clear the robot being referred to is Yumemi in particular. 4)While I cannot delve into the mind of the director, I can at least tell you that based on the Junker being a rational member of the human race, he would not be able to destroy Yumemi for parts due to his conscience kicking in. Otherwise, what point is there in making Yumemi so human-looking? You said this is merely a presumptuous excuse I'm making for the director, but you can also say the same for your own criticism: yes, this is my conjecture and it's not absolute, but so are your conjectures about the Junker dismantling Yumemi. That is your presumption and I am baffled how you can think it is an objective flaw when you came up with it yourself. Look, somebody just joined our little "debate" and provided sound refutations to your senseless criticisms, and you still refuse to acknowledge anything. This is the definition of "talking to a brick wall" and I am at a loss how to make you realize it. The majority's opinion I brought up is the viewpoint of other people in this thread and the votes on this episode, and based off those, you are an outlier in that regard. If you had written in a less condescending tone and actually brought legitimate criticisms to the table, maybe I would have shown you more respect, but I cannot give respect when it is not returned. Also, how can you assume what it is that I want you to believe when you just pointed out the importance of respecting other people's opinions? I am not speaking as a Planetarian fan specifically, but as a consumer of Japanese media in general when I talk about the purpose of emotive storytelling. In the end, people like you who fail to realize that they are propagating cold, hard, logic as the greatest measure of storytelling are all part of the problem, at least on MAL forums and reviews. Nothing is absolute, and no opinion is universal. Trying to label everything based on your restrictive definition of "good storytelling" is arrogance beyond measure, and is part of a toxic elitism that is making people incapable of enjoying stories for what they are. Is it really fun to nitpick every little thing and have that infringe on your enjoyment? Unless they are glaring flaws that create black hole level plot inconsistencies, they should not hamper your enjoyment unless you have lost your ability to suspend disbelief. |
suikaMUSICJul 12, 2016 8:52 AM
perje said: Its shown he can create distance between him and the robots. How? They are way faster than he is, and there is already a scene in the tunnel showing he is gonna be caught up by the robots but plot convenience saved him. He got no weapons, no distraction, no nothing! perje said: We know he finds cover and we know they don't know his exact location. That is just the outcome of the scene! And that's a contradiction to the action of the last scene! Not everything is going to make sense just because they show it! perje said: He says he met an irritating talking robot Show me a screenshot indicating he was saying anything remotely similar to "I met an irritating talking robot.". Stop making stuff up please! perje said: He believes at first its a military facility. Those scenes are there to show it isn't as he makes his way to the planetarium. It makes no effort to explain what scavenging is at all. That's left to the dialogue. You still don't get what I'm trying to say here, do you? Visual storytelling man, it's hard! perje said: Him not being interested in robot and projector parts is also part of that identity. I now understand your train of thoughts. You never question, you are never skeptical about anything the show throws at you, you always take them as granted, or no even better, as FACTS when it's just a work of fiction, therefore you are always making excuses to the POINT you don't even realize how ridiculous they sound and how they make the story even worst. Take a break please. Just think about what you have just said. |
suikaMUSIC said: Is using your imagination hard or does everything have to be spelled out for you? Have you even heard of "suspension of disbelief"? You must have a unbelievably strong suspension of disbelief when it's blatantly obviously they used the same plot convenience twice and got away with it and still be okay with it. suikaMUSIC said: So any exposition and explanation is a no-no to you? Do you even know why I have a problem with it? It's because they are visually showing the junker looting the building, than half-assing it through a monologue when they could've thought of some interesting scenario like finding a cache of food or weapon seemingly well-preserved to his joy only to find out they are spoiled or damaged, they are doing visual storytelling perfectly fine and then drop the ball completely! suikaMUSIC said: do you really think that he could continuously assume that an innocuous young girl in front of him means any harm after not attacking him while having the chance to do so for many hours Who said it's going to attack him? The veteran said "it's going to be problematic if you response to that robot." which in itself is a very vague statement. Why talking to a robot which seems like the only robot in the city that can communicate with another human being is problematic? Why is there a talking robot when every other robot we've seen wanted to kill us? Why you don't give me more information when to you man-killing robots is a lesser problem to you than a freaking talking robot? It's this one particular scene raising more questions than answers and I'm always about how that scene should be replaced or cut from it. And you are talking about how it doesn't affect the other scene when the problematic part is the flashback itself. suikaMUSIC said: he would not be able to destroy Yumemi for parts due to his conscience kicking in. Otherwise, what point is there in making Yumemi so human-looking? So did we see any plot or action the junker took to reach that conclusion? You know I said the exact same thing that he doesn't need to harm Yumemi in any way as a result but only to show him going through a conflict that made him greedy or scared at first then realize there's something more important than him continuing his identity as a scavenger through his interaction with Yumemi whether it's because of sympathy or kindness. From that him being a scavenger becomes less significant now he knew he is better than just being a pathetic scavenger because he performed a notable act and knew it's good for the both of them. This is what should've been going in the junker's mind when he made that turn. Now there's not only an action but also a reason. A reason any audience can relate to. suikaMUSIC said: Look, somebody just joined our little "debate" and provided sound refutations to your senseless criticisms, Did you see his counter-arguments? I hope you don't take them as seriously as I do because I have to. They're laughable. suikaMUSIC said: is part of a toxic elitism that is making people incapable of enjoying stories for what they are. Is it really fun to nitpick every little thing and have that infringe on your enjoyment? Is it really that hard to understand that to some people a good storytelling experience is the cause and the subsequent enjoyment is the result? What makes you think you know so much about me? What makes you think that I should enjoy anime or any storytelling medium the same way you do? What makes you think you are right and I was wrong when you can't even get a good grasp of what I was really complaining about? |
raveninthemuddleJul 12, 2016 11:31 PM
raveninthemuddle said: rampant idiocy It's clear to me now that you're stuck in your own cycle of belief and refuse to acknowledge other opinions. You think visual storytelling is the greatest when sometimes exposition is wholly necessary to ground the reader/watcher/listener into the story itself. It's not a matter of questioning, but rather utilizing the mysterious and esoteric technique known as "suspension of disbelief" which for some reason, innumerable amounts of other people have managed. Blatantly obvious plot conveniences? Laughable counterarguments? Don't make me laugh. You think perje's counterarguments are "laughable", but that's only from your own warped perspective and refusal to acknowledge anyone else's views. He brought up legitimate refutations about how the robot's identity in the flashback is not clear and you're trying to illegitimize them by placing visual storytelling on a pedestal. You keep coming up with twisted logic about what could've been done differently, but it's not your story to tell. You have absolutely no proof that the ideas you implemented will be better than what is currently in the episode, and thinking that you are able to provide better alternatives without knowing jack about the overarching narrative is unthinkably arrogant. Besides, they are only flaws from your perspective in the first place. Why the hell would a talking robot be more problematic than robots that are literally shooting at you and trying to KILL you. At this point, I'm questioning how connected you even are to common sense, and how your refusal to acknowledge what is clearly in front of you. The Junker aimed his gun and was incredibly suspicious of Yumemi at first, and even when he assessed her to not be a threat, he was intent on leaving, but the final scene shows the change in his belief as he turns around to go back. This is character development and him acknowledging a purpose beyond just scavenging. Do I really have to spell everything out for you, this clear storytelling that everyone else has been able to pick up? Are you and the rest of us even watching the same show? I don't want to resort to ad hominem, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about when you say that I'm thinking only I'm right and you're wrong. I said that you cannot turn your subjective opinion into objective truth and even acknowledged that my opinion isn't absolute at all. However, that also means that your opinion isn't absolute either and trying to turn it into objective criticism clearly delineates your self-obsession. If you have nothing of value to contribute and refuse to acknowledge that your definition of a "good storytelling experience" is not an objectively impeccable archetype against which all stories are judged, then stop contributing. Just stay deluded in your own world and keep thinking that your own opinion should be worshiped by everyone else and don't post drivel that detracts from the enjoyment of others. People like you make me lose faith in anime fans. |
suikaMUSICJul 12, 2016 10:00 AM
I'm done with you. I know I should've said something when you quoted my post and replaced it with just a word "stuff'. It shows you really didn't try to look at what I've said and tried to say you just simply ignored them all together. And I'm the idiot here going through your every essay trying to counter what you've stated point-by-point. And all you have to do is repeat the same thing over and over again, degrading yourself to new low every time to the point you're defending plot convenience. That's it. All the words like subjective, objective, ad hominem or whatever, are just a nice, flimsy facade hiding the fact that you can't take any criticism, can't look at a different prospective, can't be reasonable, can't be mature. I can't bring anything useful to the table because you keep bringing out the trash and you keeping refusing it. I'm tired. And Good night. |
raveninthemuddleJul 12, 2016 10:16 AM
raveninthemuddle said: I'm done with you. I know I should've said something when you quoted my post and replaced it with just a word "stuff'. It shows you really didn't try to look at what I've said and tried to say you just simply ignored them all together. And I'm the idiot here going through your every essay trying to counter what you've stated point-by-point. And all you have to do is repeat the same thing over and over again, degrading yourself to new low every time to the point you're defending plot convenience. That's it. All the words like subjective, objective, ad hominem or whatever, are just a nice, flimsy facade hiding the fact that you can't take any criticism, can't look at a different prospective, can't be reasonable, can't be mature. Good night. Same to you. I replaced everything with "stuff" because that's what I normally do to long posts, but at this point it's completely pointless, so I labeled them for what they were: "rampant idiocy". None of the points you brought up were valid criticisms in the first place, and you attempting to cover everything up in a condescending facade is just as immature and degrading. If you actually read my posts, you would realize that I was refuting your points and you were simply denying that they were refutations at all, instead conjuring up some twisted logic to try to justify your deluded thinking about alternate ways the show could have approached a certain scene or plot point. Every one of your complaints towards my way of thinking I can throw right back at you, whether's its perspective intolerance, immaturity, or being incapable of dealing with criticism. At least it seems you have the ability to recognize your own self-flaws. Please take the time to actually think about the points you raised and the complaints you have been leveling at me. Maybe then you might realize the extent of your folly. Good day to you. |
suikaMUSICJul 12, 2016 10:20 AM
suikaMUSIC said: Good day to you. Good. Finally someone is learning. |
raveninthemuddle said: How? They are way faster than he is, and there is already a scene in the tunnel showing he is gonna be caught up by the robots but plot convenience saved him. He got no weapons, no distraction, no nothing! That is just the outcome of the scene! And that's a contradiction to the action of the last scene! Not everything is going to make sense just because they show it! Show me a screenshot indicating he was saying anything remotely similar to "I met an irritating talking robot.". Stop making stuff up please! You still don't get what I'm trying to say here, do you? Visual storytelling man, it's hard! . I think its clear you are very very confused. The robots are never shown to be "way faster" then him when he's running. They catch up to him in the tunnel because he had stopped running. He escaped the tunnel by running away. The last scene is him running away. You seem to think the robots have already caught him at that point which just isn't the case. You were saying the exposition was redundant because you confused the scenes where he's discovering that the mall isn't a military facility and entering the planetarian with some attempt at explaining scavenging. And he's the Junker, not your self insert scavenger which has confused you about his choice of actions as a character. Here's a screenshot, underlined to help you understand my slight paraphrasing. http://i.imgur.com/DG1DsBh.jpg You are also confused about my train of thought. I am in fact being skeptical about your train of thought. Your criticisms simply don't make much sense because of your conjecture. I've only ever responded with or mentioned parts of the show you yourself bring up in your arguments. |
perje said: The robots are never shown to be "way faster" then him when he's running. I think its clear you are very very confused. You are also confused about my train of thought. I am in fact being skeptical about your train of thought. Your criticisms simply don't make much sense because of your conjecture. I'm also done with you too. I really don't know how you could come up with that observation. And the fact that you keep saying how I was incorrect without giving any sound reasoning is very irritating. The following will be the last response I made directly to you until you decided to put some sense into it. perje said: Here's a screenshot, underlined to help you understand my slight paraphrasing. How is that a prove of Yumemi being an irritating robot to the veteran? "The most irritating thing...has to be the time I met that robot..." The "irritating thing" is referring to the situation or the encounter he had with Yumemi, not that she is irritating. |
| I feel like there would be incoming feels! so, a robot who isn't being commissioned anymore still works even in post apocalyptic settings and still treats customers that way it is programmed. 5 episode i'll keep track on this one. 4/5. |
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| that was kinda interesting |
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| Damn I can already tell this gonna hit me hard. |
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raveninthemuddle said: How is that a prove of Yumemi being an irritating robot to the veteran? "The most irritating thing...has to be the time I met that robot..." The "irritating thing" is referring to the situation or the encounter he had with Yumemi, not that she is irritating. Prove what now? I don't think it would change the junkers actions if he thought the robot could be irritating or the situation could become irritating if he met it, same difference. Neither do either make any action the Junker takes, confusing. Just questioning the necessity of this part based on what little it adds could be valid criticism. Claiming it creates contradictions based on your conjecture, not so much and the source of your confusion. raveninthemuddle said: The following will be the last response I made directly to you until you decided to put some sense into it. You really know how to run away from "win" them arguments. Must happen a lot. If you don't want to respond anymore just don't respond. Case in point. |
perje said: You really know how to run away from "win" them arguments. Must happen a lot. If you don't want to respond anymore just don't respond. Case in point. I ask you to give me a prove of something you completely made up, as expected you gave a wrong one and then I called you out, and you just ignored that and go on an tangent saying it doesn't matter when originally I was saying the problem is how the flashback scene doesn't make sense on its own. It has nothing to do with any other scene, and after so many times, you still don't get it and you still insist on your misjudgment and misunderstanding of the whole topic, either being evasive or shamelessly intellectually dishonest. That's why I quit, because you are DELUSIONAL, it's not a normal, constructive conservation, it's just you jerking yourself off. Go home, you're drunk. |
raveninthemuddleJul 12, 2016 11:30 PM
| Wow. Good stuff. Funny how one of the better shows of the season is an ONA. It's a fairly mediocre season, IMO, so it's nice to find another good anime. Planetarian's right up my alley. And the robot girl is so cute. I'm expecting this to be very sad, though. :( |
| dang Yumemi really struck the soft part of my heart. |
| Hate Keeps me warm |
| wait! hold on a sec. don't tell me i'm the only one who almost cry while watching this episode ? i mean the connection between the loneliness which was made from her personality (i thought it's kinda rude if i say her as "it"), "i will be waiting for your return" that part, that sentence, seriously, that made it more sad especially that intro with the very emotional soundtrack. i seriously hope i'm not the only one who feel like this. Overall episode, a really great episode imo. first time i have seen an anime with this kind of lonely atmosphere. sad and enjoyable at the same times. art and animation looks good to me. if you know the movie called Hachiko.... yeah....it was a dog but this is a robot. the difference is kinda big. more emotional imo. and well, i thought what that dude did to her was a little bit an act of an asshole, but i know he has his own reasons, or maybe that's just his personality considering he is a soldier (?) so, for me, it's still acceptable. Edit: lol, didn't expect this thread to be that messed up. sasuga MAL~~ i think people take this show too seriously. i mean, only see the negative sides of this show. |
YizelTroJul 14, 2016 11:18 AM
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| This seems to get a good adaptation. I'm glad it's only 5 episodes, because much more than that and it would feel much too dragged out. Though with 5 episodes of 15-20 minutes, they might as well have just made it into a movie. I think that would have been the better choice because the audience would get the entire story in one sitting, with the immersion that comes with it. The ending might suffer a bit because of the week long wait between episodes. That chibi Yumemi in the ED is so adorable!! But I am confused with the protag. walking in the rain at the end. |
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