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black1blade said: cupc said: Hey, that was a great episode. They did Answer better than I expected actually, Shirou's choice was portrayed in a very nice detail. Yeah the UBW summoning was AU, but I don't give a shit about that tbh since it looked fucking cool Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 Uh, is there a specific line that defines "answer" then? I always thought it's the part where Shirou tells Archer to fuck his ideals |
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mira-nyan said: TheDodo said: Is it me or the Scabbard thing was totally random? Haha, it isn't. It was in episode 0. And unless you read Fate route, you won't understand. What, do you want me to give a detailed explanation? Short answer: It's the sheath of Saber's sword that was put into Shirou by Kerry(who was Sabers previous master) which caused Shirou to summons Saber by accident. Long answer: Optional. It was EP1 though, not EP0. |
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mira-nyan said: TheDodo said: Is it me or the Scabbard thing was totally random? Haha, it isn't. It was in episode 0. And unless you read Fate route, you won't understand. What, do you want me to give a detailed explanation? Short answer: It's the sheath of Saber's sword that was put into Shirou by Kerry(who was Spoiler) which caused Shirou to summons Saber by accident. Long answer: Optional. Your short answer is in the episode. |
CookingPriest said: Just realized...should Shirou, you know, be REALLY hurt in the grail fire flashbacks? Why the hell is he completely healthy ? Because it's in his mind. |
cupc said: black1blade said: Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 Uh, is there a specific line that defines "answer" then? I always thought it's the part where Shirou tells Archer to fuck his ideals The next episode is called "answer" |
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cupc said: black1blade said: Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 Uh, is there a specific line that defines "answer" then? I always thought it's the part where Shirou tells Archer to fuck his ideals Which will happen next episode. The part until the fight ends at least. |
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black1blade said: cupc said: Hey, that was a great episode. They did Answer better than I expected actually, Shirou's choice was portrayed in a very nice detail. Yeah the UBW summoning was AU, but I don't give a shit about that tbh since it looked fucking cool Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 For something that makes up for "all the things that left out" they sure as hell did not say anything about Shirou that was needed to be said. What's more they outright removed the explanation of how it is not survivor's guilt. |
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| The fight was good standard fair for this series. The OMFG god element about the fights has mostly dissipated for me at this point although I hope the climactic battle will be awesome. |
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cupc said: black1blade said: Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 Uh, is there a specific line that defines "answer" then? I always thought it's the part where Shirou tells Archer to fuck his ideals No he's wrong, this is also part of Answer. It began the moment they clashed swords. |
Raziel1991 said: clintonmadara said: That sums it up but i really don't understand is how archer can unleash ubw twice while his mana is depleting? He can't acquire mana without his master nor will he feed on human souls or he might have some other technique to restore his mana Nobody knows really. Archer using UBW here is anime original stuff and its also one of the main criticisms of this episode since him using it here makes no sense for the reason you mentioned. yea but i don't consider it as a criticism as the plot looks good even with ubw-2x The fight was epic and all so it sums everything up ^.^ |
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Grey-Zone said: mira-nyan said: Haha, it isn't. It was in episode 0. And unless you read Fate route, you won't understand. What, do you want me to give a detailed explanation? Short answer: It's the sheath of Saber's sword that was put into Shirou by Kerry(who was Sabers previous master) which caused Shirou to summons Saber by accident. Long answer: Optional. It was EP1 though, not EP0. >Clicks '1' on keyboard >Comes out as '0' I have no regrets, it was my only path. *insert lenny face here* Guilek said: mira-nyan said: Haha, it isn't. It was in episode 0. And unless you read Fate route, you won't understand. What, do you want me to give a detailed explanation? Short answer: It's the sheath of Saber's sword that was put into Shirou by Kerry(who was Spoiler) which caused Shirou to summons Saber by accident. Long answer: Optional. Your short answer is in the episode. It seems it needed to be written out. I guess 'Show, don't tell' doesn't work, after all. |
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CookingPriest said: black1blade said: Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 For something that makes up for "all the things that left out" they sure as hell did not say anything about Shirou that was needed to be said. What's more they outright removed the explanation of how it is not survivor's guilt. Gotta agree. For all the badass-ness Shirou got this episode he's STILL not characterized correctly yet. |
CookingPriest said: black1blade said: Answer is next episode. This was just making up for all the stuff they left out about shirou. Still pretty awesome ep- 9/10 For something that makes up for "all the things that left out" they sure as hell did not say anything about Shirou that was needed to be said. What's more they outright removed the explanation of how it is not survivor's guilt. I suppose but the imagery was quite nice at times if not weird. The flame bit where he takes up the sword was awesome. |
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Eylandos said: KamiCity said: Please learn what "dues ex machinas" are before you say things like that. You know, they are properly defined if you know anything about literary techniques and writing. So please explain how any of them are ex machinas? Sorry don't mean to pick on you, but I have a pet peeve when it comes to people using terms like those incorrectly. "an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel." Watch the episode and come back to me. So you used the basic google definition instead of researching it. 1. Shirou's "new ability" was foreshadowed during the summoning, and in another episode. So it can't be a DEM. 2. Lancer has his legend, these are real legends so some knowledge of them is necessary, as wrong priest stated WrongPriest said: That's how the Tale of Cu goes In order for these to be DEMs, they would have to come out of nowhere. They don't. Whether it's by foreshadowing or allusion, neither of them can fall under DEMs Like I stated, make sure you understand what "God from the machine" means, don't just google the definition. Research it, in depth. People scream DEM for anything now days, forgetting that IT CAN be used corrects and it IS a big part of literature. Don't forget "Lord of the Flies" has a huge DEM at the end of it, yet people still hail it as one of the best works of literature. |
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Grey-Zone said: Which will happen next episode. The part until the fight ends at least. surely you saw what Shirou literally said at the end of the episode Insertanamehere said: No he's wrong, this is also part of Answer. It began the moment they clashed swords. yeah that's what I thought |
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astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: For something that makes up for "all the things that left out" they sure as hell did not say anything about Shirou that was needed to be said. What's more they outright removed the explanation of how it is not survivor's guilt. Gotta agree. For all the badass-ness Shirou got this episode he's STILL not characterized correctly yet. And it seems he never will be in animated form (never in solely animated form if HF is done well as the context of the other route's shirou is required) |
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ZeroDragon said: There are a number of problems. But even so, this was a beautiful episode. yep and Can't wait for Gilgamesh to show up any time later |
| Why are CR subs so terrible? Even the VN had a better translation. "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you;re right" Beautiful. |
ZeroDragon said: There are a number of problems. But even so, this was a beautiful episode. Kirei dying was one of the most touching anime moments I've ever seen. I don't think I'll ever live it down. Lancer's betrayal of his master's orders shocked me. I hate him so much. OMG I'm crying, such a tragedy.  |
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| So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. |
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cupc said: surely you saw what Shirou literally said at the end of the episode You mean "Steel is my body"? Yea I usually defend ufotable to a certain extent, even now so, however aniplex and whoever is their translator for the current episode REALLY f*cked it up this time. |
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Eylandos said: KamiCity said: Please learn what "dues ex machinas" are before you say things like that. You know, they are properly defined if you know anything about literary techniques and writing. So please explain how any of them are ex machinas? Sorry don't mean to pick on you, but I have a pet peeve when it comes to people using terms like those incorrectly. "an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel." Watch the episode and come back to me. Avalon is foreshadowed in the earlier episodes, and Lancer living wasn't a Deus Ex Machina because we weren't /shown/ him dying. Plus his legend, etc. |
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Eylandos said: So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. EP1 and EP4 is foreshadowing for Shirou's healing and the scabbard. For Lancer you have Berserker "surpassing his legend", so it's not a "new out of nowhere concept" either. None of these require "the VN". I am angry because the impact of Shirou's words have been completely negated because of an annoying "official" translator screwing up badly. |
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Grey-Zone said: cupc said: surely you saw what Shirou literally said at the end of the episode You mean "Steel is my body"? Yea I usually defend ufotable to a certain extent, even now so, however aniplex and whoever is their translator for the current episode REALLY f*cked it up this time. haha you're funny. no, when he said "just as you reject me, I'll use every ounce of my strength to reject you" or something. That counts as an answer doesn't it, even if Archer is not beaten yet |
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Eylandos said: So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. Umm no what you are doing is saying: "I'm reading Harry Potter book 3, I skipped 1 and 2 how the hell did Harry become a wizard?" Except it's alternate timelines instead of chronological order. Plus in ALL cases: Command Seals were explained in anime, foreshadowing was done in anime, the allusion to Servants legends were done IN anime. You are doing exactly what I said viewers shouldn't be doing. Failing to analyse. Analyzing is a necessary tool when viewing any art piece. |
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Eylandos said: they clearly explained the command seals in cour 1.if you mean the number Kirei has it is from Fate zero.So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. So no not a fault of the adaptation. |
CloudStrifeFFVII said: What would you guys rate this episode after watching the subs? This was my favorite of the second season! 3/5 still. Subs actually made it worse as it became clear that they did not elaborate on Shirou's sociopathy(that it is not survivor's guilt) and translation was wonky as hell. |
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TheDodo said: Is it me or the Scabbard thing was totally random? It's not random at all. It's actually explained in the Fate route where you learn more about Saber, how she's missing her sheath, who Kiritsugu was, how she feels about him, etc. In UBW, it's just briefly mentioned that her sheath still heals him. There are instances in UBW where you can see Shirou is able to heal faster than normal people. For example, how fast he got better after that fight with Berserker. That was Saber's sheath that healed him. |
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cupc said: Grey-Zone said: You mean "Steel is my body"? Yea I usually defend ufotable to a certain extent, even now so, however aniplex and whoever is their translator for the current episode REALLY f*cked it up this time. haha you're funny. no, when he said "just as you reject me, I'll use every ounce of my strength to reject you" or something. That counts as an answer doesn't it, even if Archer is not beaten yet Ah, yes I must have been half-asleep when I wrote that. Yes you are correct, it is an answer, but it didn't really seem to affect Archer that much at this moment... so it seems obvious that this is not all yet. |
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Caliburn220 said: Why are CR subs so terrible? Even the VN had a better translation. "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you;re right" Beautiful. Lol, my reaction at first. But keep repeating it, and it'll make some more sense. Either way, just checked Answer, he didn't say that. But AU, so it doesn't matter ~.~ |
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Eylandos said: So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. It makes even less sense in the VN If you didn't get it here, you may as well give up on ever figuring it out |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
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clintonmadara said: He can't acquire mana without his master nor will he feed on human souls or he might have some other technique to restore his mana Depends on how much mana he had left in the Anime version compared to the VN version... and optionally how much mana it wastes in Anime version compared to the VN version. With that said, I don't remember the VN mentioning that he couldn't have summoned it again. But wasting mana like this will make the next episode's event look slightly more believable. Kerozinn said: that second "ubw" was just cause they like the background so much i guess. pointless. It gives a visually cooler and more meaningful battlefield. It would have been pointless in the VN where such visualities don't really matter (as you follow the story by reading the text and not by watching an animated fight sequence), but in the Anime this improves the value of the episode and as such is far from pointless. |
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Grey-Zone said: cupc said: haha you're funny. no, when he said "just as you reject me, I'll use every ounce of my strength to reject you" or something. That counts as an answer doesn't it, even if Archer is not beaten yet Ah, yes I must have been half-asleep when I wrote that. Yes you are correct, it is an answer, but it didn't really seem to affect Archer that much at this moment... so it seems obvious that this is not all yet. Can you tell me what Shirou said in the VN instead of the steel is my body line? |
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Nayrael said: clintonmadara said: He can't acquire mana without his master nor will he feed on human souls or he might have some other technique to restore his mana Depends on how much mana he had left in the Anime version compared to the VN version... and optionally how much mana it wastes in Anime version compared to the VN version. With that said, I don't remember the VN mentioning that he couldn't have summoned it again. But wasting mana like this will make the next episode's event look slightly more believable. Kerozinn said: that second "ubw" was just cause they like the background so much i guess. pointless. It gives a visually cooler and more meaningful battlefield. It would have been pointless in the VN where such visualities don't really matter (as you follow the story by reading the text and not by watching an animated fight sequence), but in the Anime this improves the value of the episode and as such is far from pointless. Saber said it in the anime. |
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TrueKirei said: Eylandos said: So both answers I have to read the VN to get the jist of it. When I asked about the command spells last episode, I got the same answer. Seems like this will be pattern and shows how poorly this adaptation is. It makes even less sense in the VN If you didn't get it here, you may as well give up on ever figuring it out I am already this far, might as well watch the whole at this point smh. |
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bobzanny said: Grey-Zone said: Ah, yes I must have been half-asleep when I wrote that. Yes you are correct, it is an answer, but it didn't really seem to affect Archer that much at this moment... so it seems obvious that this is not all yet. Can you tell me what Shirou said in the VN instead of the steel is my body line? Isn't the Japanese version of UBW chant different? |
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