Sword Art Online (light novel)
| I'm rather surprised that in both the LN and the anime, Kirito uses Excaliber on his offhand. As a general rule in games, don't we usually equip our strongest sword in the dominant hand, since it usually is associated with less damage penalties? and if I remember correctly, in the LN, Excaliber was listed as the strongest ingame sword, with Gram the demon sword in second. So there was no reason why Kirito shouldn't equip Excaliber with his dom hand, and use the default sword forged by Liz with his offhand. |
| I have no idea |
| There is no ingame penalty for equipping two swords in ALO. Kirito is not using any official dual wield skill, he's only taking turn chaining the Sword Skills of the two swords. As for the actual reason, it's because Kirito thinks that the Excalibur doesn't look as good as unnamed black longsword. Fashion Art Online. |
Rinth said: There is no ingame penalty for equipping two swords in ALO. Kirito is not using any official dual wield skill, he's only taking turn chaining the Sword Skills of the two swords. As for the actual reason, it's because Kirito thinks that the Excalibur doesn't look as good as unnamed black longsword. Fashion Art Online. Though it doesn't quite explain why he don't use excaliber as his primary sword when he dueled Yuuki, since I'd imagine the dps of excaliber would be vastly superior to the nameless sword he tots around~ Also, since Kirito's main chain in the LN and Anime is a 3 combo-skill chain, and since he starts the chain with his dom hand's nameless sword, he only end up using excaliber for one of the three combos; Wouldn't you agree that it'd be more damaging if he start the chain with excaliber instead? thus achieving a 3 chain with 2 of the combos dealt with excaliber. That and Kirito said that he doesn't rely on skill-assists when he fight, which means he needs the degree of dexterity his dominant hand has to fight to his maximum potential. Even without a direct stat penalty, the indirect lack of dexterity of his offhand would definitely hurt Kirito's overall performance in contrast to if he kept his more damaging sword to his dominant hand instead. |
Rinth said: ^thisFashion Art Online. When Im playing something with character customization I usually prefer how a weapon/armor looks over its stats. |
zephiris said: Rinth said: There is no ingame penalty for equipping two swords in ALO. Kirito is not using any official dual wield skill, he's only taking turn chaining the Sword Skills of the two swords. As for the actual reason, it's because Kirito thinks that the Excalibur doesn't look as good as unnamed black longsword. Fashion Art Online. Though it doesn't quite explain why he don't use excaliber as his primary sword when he dueled Yuuki, since I'd imagine the dps of excaliber would be vastly superior to the nameless sword he tots around~ Also, since Kirito's main chain in the LN and Anime is a 3 combo-skill chain, and since he starts the chain with his dom hand's nameless sword, he only end up using excaliber for one of the three combos; Wouldn't you agree that it'd be more damaging if he start the chain with excaliber instead? thus achieving a 3 chain with 2 of the combos dealt with excaliber. That and Kirito said that he doesn't rely on skill-assists when he fight, which means he needs the degree of dexterity his dominant hand has to fight to his maximum potential. Even without a direct stat penalty, the indirect lack of dexterity of his offhand would definitely hurt Kirito's overall performance in contrast to if he kept his more damaging sword to his dominant hand instead. Weapon stats are not very relevant in duels. It's more skill-based. A sword is going to kill you no matter how fancy it is. Remember how Kirito killed off the Fire Salamander general in duel using some crappy sword he bought just off the market, when the general had the best weapon ingame (at the time). ALO is different from SAO in that sense. You can't just stand still and let a bunch of people excavate you with swords simply due to high level & stats like Kirito did in "Black Swordsman" episode. |
Reyxe said: Except that you can actually level up in ALO even if youre a solo player, Tera is a total pain after lvl 40. There is actually no level in ALO though, remember? It's just skill levels for various weapons and spell types and player skill. The progression system is very similar to Elder Scrolls, minus the level ups. |
Rinth said: Reyxe said: Except that you can actually level up in ALO even if youre a solo player, Tera is a total pain after lvl 40. There is actually no level in ALO though, remember? It's just skill levels for various weapons and spell types and player skill. The progression system is very similar to Elder Scrolls, minus the level ups. Yea, i know, just meant that soloing is viable in ALO, not in Tera |
Rinth said: Reyxe said: Except that you can actually level up in ALO even if youre a solo player, Tera is a total pain after lvl 40. There is actually no level in ALO though, remember? It's just skill levels for various weapons and spell types and player skill. The progression system is very similar to Elder Scrolls, minus the level ups. But when he beat Eugene, remember that he was also using Leafa's sword, which given how long she should've played to rank up to be one of the Sylph's lieutenants, should have at least a mid-to-high tier sword, even if it is not legendary. That and I recall Kirito more-or-less caught Eugene offguard in that match, and basically spammed attack... Also I think you are confused with the way character conversion worked. Although there is no leveling system in ALO, converted characters still retain their stats from the previous game. After all, why else would Kirito's doubly converted main character start out with ungodly high level of STR in GGO that allowed him to equip the high-STR weapons and compete on par with other end-tier players? The SEED games basically can cross-convert character between games, at the cost of acquired items and money - and from SAO, their level. However, converted characters retain their raw stats in form of AGI, STR, DEX, etc. which is why Kirito chose to convert instead of creating a new character in GGO. Thinking back to Kirito's fight with Eugene, while Eugene had Gram (the second strongest sword in the game), Eugene only has been playing ALO for a few months, while Kirito has the stats of a player that had essentially played for two years. (However many levels in SAO x 3 stat points awarded per level) Therefore, whereas Eugene had the equipment advantage, Kirito did have a stats advantage, and the hundred additional str points certainly would've helped close the gap between the DPS of the weapons. Its basically like a character with lets say 100 STR wielding the best weapon in the game vs a character with 200 STR using stock weapons, even the stock weapons can be deadly. |
zephirisDec 2, 2014 1:08 PM
| Because you're missing what the last episode has been saying the whole time and what Kirito implied against Oberon. "There's more fun to a game than that". Excalibur wouldn't make everything trivial, no, but it's still kind of like going through goldeneye with god mode on. It's important if there is a REAL risk, like in SAO/ALO, where losing would result in some very bad things. That' salso why he uses it when he helps Asuna and Yuuki. There is a reason to. Otherwise, if you are playing for fun, it's just stupid. He is not playing so that everyone will be here " HE'S THE STRONGEST!!". He is playing to have fun, unless there is an important thing to protect. Also, depending of what you're trying to do, there is no point to it. If you are trying to see who is the strongest skill-wise, it's stupid to boast about winning if you are LESS skilled but have an expensive weapon because x. Think about all the games that have a cash shop. It's the same idea. Against Yuuki, the idea was "who is the strongest skill-wise". If you are just the strongest in duels because you have a stupid legendary weapon, that's not fair at all and you'll get your ass kicked if the opponent get excalibur too or if a better weapon is released. That's not skill. A "level 1" noob steamrolling everyone just because received a legendary weapon from a friend wouldn't prove anything about his own skill at all. That's the same as getting a job just because you were lucky enough to be brn in x family. and that's not very glorious. Or why it is "useless" in "fair" duels. And once again, the last episode made a point about "this is not SAO, I'm don't need it to survive, I'm here for fun". Every SAO survivor have had enough of this stupid tension for long enough in SAO, it's not surprising that they don't want any of it anymore and care more about fun. Something some idiots MMO elitists tend to forget even in our reality... Once again, he DOES use it if it's important, like buying time for friends. But that's because it is for his friends. Not for him and for fun. |
| Additionally, IIRC, he didn't want to use it for his own purposes because everyone was involved in helping him get it, so he said he'd only use it to help out everybody or something along those lines. |
Reyxe said: LastChapter said: Also that promise to Sinon lol Probably he knew that he needed to cut through some magic spells, so he thought about her while doing it [? He did pick up the ability thanks to GGO, so maybe? |
| About Kirito not using excalibur more often- the sao wiki article on excalibur said something about Kirito resolving to never use the sword for personal gain. Not sure how reliable this info is though. |
noodlesandrice said: About Kirito not using excalibur more often- the sao wiki article on excalibur said something about Kirito resolving to never use the sword for personal gain. Not sure how reliable this info is though. Yea, he said that in LN, I think someone else posted it too a while ago~ |
Reyxe said: noodlesandrice said: About Kirito not using excalibur more often- the sao wiki article on excalibur said something about Kirito resolving to never use the sword for personal gain. Not sure how reliable this info is though. Yea, he said that in LN, I think someone else posted it too a while ago~ But does that explain why he uses excaliber on his offhand? Whenever he does use it for a friend, he still uses it in his offhand. I do remember that the menu system wasn't convoluted enough for him to not be able to simply shift between the 2 slots and place the excaliber in his primary hand whenever he does decide to use it. |
| So from the sound of it, the general conclusion is simply that Kirito prefers form over function - such that vanity of having an entire black demeanor is more important to Kirito than the stats and special ability the legendary sword brings? |
zephiris said: So from the sound of it, the general conclusion is simply that Kirito prefers form over function - such that vanity of having an entire black demeanor is more important to Kirito than the stats and special ability the legendary sword brings? Basically, yes. It's Kirito anyway. |
| It makes sense to use the one you are familiar with in your strong hand over a sword you rarely use even if it is stronger. Though I doubt he would have any problem adapting to the other sword within a splitsecond, but he doesn't need to use the strongest weapon if he is the strongest even with the weakest weapon, does he? |
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