Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Volume 21 Discussion

LastChapter said:
THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Every single time one of Rudeus' wives gets pregnant, he has to go off on a journey. I really liked the scene where Aisha sleeps with Rudeus, too bad he didn't go the incest route. You know 20+ years have gone by when you watch the main character grow up old enough to joke with friends about marrying their children with one another. But damn, I'm pretty sure I hate Claire way more than Pax and even Hitogami, intending to marry off her incapacitated daughter Zenith to some random (and probably sick-minded) noble so that she can be his sex slave and produce another child for the Latreia household. Claire is probably another apostle, but Orsted hasn't said anything about it so I do have my doubts. And this is seriously the first time I have seen Rudeus so mad, I'm actually surprised he didn't go on a killing spree, I know I would.

odysseyrh said:
after reading this volume again a few thought stuck out....
1) the relationship between Zenith and Lara. Zenith can read thoughts and Lara is from a race of beings that use telepathy to communicate with other members of their races......what if those 2 have been sticking together because they can "talk" to each other?

2) I wonder if Rudy will convey His mothers "wishes" to the rest of the family at the first family meeting when he gets back.

3) Gisu......even if you were a benefactor....if you only helping to me to build up my trust so that you can betray me....then you aren't really a benefactor your just a sadistic prick. Why cant he see that.

4) @Neutralside your question about "How...." easy convince other people that a) Rudy is in League with a "evil" god b) those that have joined Rudy are being cooers by a Powerful Mage (Rudy) c) An evil powerful mage is seeking world domination.

NeutralSide said:


Those important figures he convinced..The princess Sylphiette was guarding,etc.
He didn't fully threaten them with how "evil" his boss is.
They trusted Rudeus as well legitimately.
They wouldn't betray Rudeus in the long run on the drop off a hat.
Those allies he gathered are the real deal.

Makes me wonder how Gisu would be able to gather enough forces.
He seems kind of incompetent at this type of things and not charismatic enough for that.

(Yeah I can't remember the names more lol..I should re read everything.)

odysseyrh said:



no no no you missed the point. Gisu will get other people by saying pt #4 reasons. Yes what you said is true that's how Rudeus got his allies. But you know how slow news travels and how rumors fly. All Gisu has to do is make it a kind of "Holy war" with people that rudeus hasn't meet yet.

NeutralSide said:


Yeah I missed the point it was hard to understand xD
That can actually work.
To be more precise I'm more curious to how exactly Gisu would bait the other important figures to fight Rudeus's "Evil God".
Surely they wouldn't ally with Gisu just because "Yo This Estred guy is a evil God threatening our religion/Destroy whole world..Let's team up and fight this guy"
Or put their trust in a rumor Gisu mixed up alone.
That would be pretty dumb.
Or would Hitogami give one of his "Spectacle" dreams or the other apostles would have a helping hand in that regard in pushing their favors in helping Gisu?

Also I Death God might be an enemy for Rudeus next time.

But we'll see.

NeutralSide said:
Yeah I can't remember anymore who and what those are.
Jade warrior and Asura doesn't ring a bell anymore(Apology.. :d)
Also Zanoba and Ginger's child would marry one of Rudeus's daughters?
Is that in the alternate future diary?
Are they trying to make it surely happen in the current timeline?

I feel somewhat salty about that scenario.

NeutralSide said:
Yeah I can't remember anymore who and what those are.
Jade warrior and Asura doesn't ring a bell anymore(Apology.. :d)
Also Zanoba and Ginger's child would marry one of Rudeus's daughters?
Is that in the alternate future diary?
Are they trying to make it surely happen in the current timeline?

I feel somewhat salty about that scenario.

NeutralSide said:
Yeah,but I still think that people with higher standing won't just listen diligently to a random person with only the reputation of being in a S class party before.

I know that he's gonna use Rudeus and Orstred's reputation against them.
But I'm asking the exact method in every full detail on how Gisu is gonna do it.
Will he use Hitogami's other disciple as well?
Will Hitogimi assist Gisu in persuading them to his side by giving the person a delusional dream?
What exactly forces will he gather? A number of people? Will it be Important figures? The other Gods?
How is he gonna persuade them exactly?
Example The Armored Dragon King is afraid of Orstred even when Rudeus was gonna personally try to defeat him before.
How would Gisu even Persuade other people that if even strong people like the Armored dragon king is having blue balls?
Rudi and Orstred's reputation is almost too overwhelming to other people.

Which is asking the impossible and since only the Author would know anyway.

JDnylire said:
List of Possible Allies of Gisu:

Badigadi - He was an apostle and he is a kind of guy that might act because he has some debt to someone and specially he is gone. He might be already strengthening their forces.

Death God - He said that a friend told him to don't trust Hitogami(I have a feeling he is lying and that friend he is talking about could be Gisu). There's also the possibility that Gisu gave him the anti-magic stone to fight Rudeus.

Talhand - Since he is the one who made the magic item that the Death God used, he could be an apostle too and he might be already making his move while Gisu was searching a way on how to defeat Rudeus.

Ruijerd - He have a reason on joining Hitogami's side because Hitogami is the one who said that his curse would disappear eventually and Gisu might just say to him that Rudeus is being manipulated by Orsted.

And lastly, someone inside the Mercenary group - I could be wrong with this one, but it is easier to succeed if you have a spy inside your enemies territory specially Hitogami is really good with sweet words.

NeutralSide said:
Anyone pretty excited for the next volume?
Just seeing the names is making the chapter names is making me so hyped.

rihan1 said:
Just spent 2 weeks doing nothing else but reading all 21 volumes...now going back into withdrawal with no new chapters out yet :(

odysseyrh said:

Would be interesting if they find away to implant memory/knowledge on a "crystal" of sorts that why Orsted could "implant" the crystal in Rudi when he's 13 (that first battle) then have it activate after the second Rudi/Orsted battle so that rudi can stay outside the closed time loop while keeping all the knowledge he would have gained on previous loops.

rihan1 said:
Just spent 2 weeks doing nothing else but reading all 21 volumes...now going back into withdrawal with no new chapters out yet :(

This would not work because the current loop is the only loop where Rudi even existed according to Orsted. (The Rudi in all the other loops was a still born until Rudis old soul took it over with in this loop only according to Orsteds hypothesis about why Orsted has never met Rudi or even known of his existence in any other loop) I am sure we will find the third party that reincarnated Rudi into his current body at some point and why they did it.

NeutralSide said:

Took me Four days to read everything....
;~;



I hope that when the story ends this won't happen. that Rudeus will be return back to his previous body.He was actually unconscious the whole time.
Well then again that's only possible with Nanahoshi since she's a foreign body and unable to use magic.

Also Is he confirmed dead in his old world?
I really want to brush off that thought.

odysseyrh said:


he was hit by the truck, the impact then caused him to hit a wall where upon he was then run over by said truck......if he aint dead after that he will surely wish he was..... the lvl of trauma would lead him to be in severe almost debilitating pain for the rest of his life that's not to mention para or quadriplegic status

Nydestroyer said:


This would not work because the current loop is the only loop where Rudi even existed according to Orsted. (The Rudi in all the other loops was a still born until Rudis old soul took it over with in this loop only according to Orsteds hypothesis about why Orsted has never met Rudi or even known of his existence in any other loop) I am sure we will find the third party that reincarnated Rudi into his current body at some point and why they did it.

I hope that when the story ends this won't happen. that Rudeus will be return back to his previous body. He was actually unconscious the whole time.
Well then again that's only possible with Nanahoshi since she's a foreign body and unable to use magic.

More importantly leaving his love ones in the other world.
Hope author doesn't pull that..stuff.

NeutralSide said:




umm more than likely Nanahoshi will be a messenger. I would suspect near the end Rudi will tell her that he was the one that tried saving her and her friends that day and that he wants her to deliver a message to his siblings.

odysseyrh said:

That could work too.
But you can't help but suspect the possibility of this scenario in most "Went in another world" premise.
:c

NeutralSide said:


how are you with time travel stories? if you like them there's a trippy one with Ethan Hawke in it........

odysseyrh said:


I hope that isn't an insult...
I rarely watch time travel stories.Been meaning to get on one if its possible.

NeutralSide said:
Question:
Why did Rudeus not focus on his other elemental skills and only on Earth and Water?
Is it solely due to preference?
Or is it because he was slacking?
Would he have done the same with the other elements like he did with his Stone cannon and make it Emperor class in terms of raw power?

odysseyrh said:


cant find the info yet but I think fire and wind aren't "emperor" is because someone hasn't taught him the spells yet. However with his raw power even intermediate and advance spells look and act like emperor spells. More than likely too he uses earth and water because they can be used a non-lethal way whereas wind my do more slicing dmg and fire will you can image that outcome

NeutralSide said:

That's a good point.
Actually having a discussion about this with someone who said Rudeus was slacking and should have focused on Fire and Wind elemental as well to get it stronger like his Earth and Water.

Although I said there's really no point since he can put some "Oomph" into it with raw magic power.
Unless he can devise and re-innovate his Fire and Wind techniques just like with his Original Explosive stone cannon with knowledge of his previous world.To make it more deadly.
Only thing I found him slacking was in his Method of Flying with wind magic which he hasn't really worked or finished.