Aldnoah.Zero Season One
| The problem with Inaho is it doesn't feel like there's any sort of character arc or real struggle for him and the problem only becomes worse as time goes on in the first season. The show also has this way of making it feel like it's anything but the triumph against impossible odds narrative it's billing itself as whenever he's around too. In fact by the end of the show it pretty much felt like it was the Martians and Sauzbaum in particular that were the underdogs whenever Inaho was on the scene and he needed to use everything he had at his disposal just to try to keep this kid that only needed a trainer mech to top his cutting edge super mech from spoiling all of his plans. In the end it kind of looks like he just barely succeeded in that he incidentally tricked another guy into basically shooting him point blank otherwise he would have been totally fucked. I mean well it more or less looks like his plans are fucked anyway but maybe he got away with his life at least. Basically whatever they were going for with Inaho which was ostensibly this kid that uses quick wits and team tactics to survive against impossible odds they way overshot his characterization to the point where he becomes this ice cold emotionless smug know it all Wesley Crusher type that by the end is singlehandedly doing it all for Earth and completely clowning what up to that point had been depicted as the smartest Martian character with the best military and political advantages at his disposal of anyone they had faced to date. Hell he pretty much had more trouble with the very first guy they faced since even then he needed a whole team and a little bit of luck to take him down which at least felt plausible with the whole survival against all odds narrative. Basically if the character is ever going to work in the second cour assuming he's alive he really needs to be toned down ability wise, given a proper character arc and personality and at least be faced with something that feels like it resembles a serious struggle to overcome instead of just always having all the answers and having pretty much everything go exactly as planned for him outside of the whole Slaine factor. His character got really boring to watch by the second half of the show. |
| Well I actually like calm and intelligent characters unfortunately Inaho is NOT one of them. I am half way in the series and I feel like he some kind of a bot who is designed to execute a set of commands which makes him boring to watch. It's like he doing all this just because he has to not because he wants to. I really hope his character improves and gets a mind of his own later on and in the sequel. I am still wondering how the hell did he make friends with that kind of attitude? |
| I liked him in the beginning but then he just seemed like a boring emotionless character. He is useful, and I bet that's what makes him likeable to many people, but that's not me. I prefer Slain, but I kind of hated him in the end ^^ .. it's kinda hard to explain. It all goes back to the bad writing, which is to be expected since the script was written by the same guy who wrote boku no pico ... |
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| I like both Inaho and Slaine, but I have more of a Slaine bias though cause I love his scenes with Asseylum...well flashbacks anyways. xD Its kinda sad that all I ever see since the 1st season ended is retarded vs stuff or dogpiling on Slaine. I got sick of that shit in the Code Geass fandom. |
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| I like him, just, lack of emotions and stuff... |
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| I hope he stays dead cause he is detrimental to the series. |
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| He is a ok character, but not so interesting for the main character. He's perfect at everything and the only thing about him that's not boring with some personality is his love for eggs, witch doesn't make sense. But he could still be redeemed and developed, if he survives that long to be given a more in depth look at his personality. |
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BacardixCola said: ReaperCreeper said: I'm indifferent to him. That's the point really, he doesn't really have anything to like or dislike about him. That said, I tend to like him just for that. Most teenagers in Mecha tend to go full emo at some point. |
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amateur said: Lets see a Sagara Sousuke/Setsuna Seiei clone without any of the actual back-story as to why they are so military efficient from growing in violent environments at a very young age, yet emotionally distant from being trough so much and without any kind of charm those 2 had. ^Basically this,as much as I usually like characters like that,Inaho is an exception as he's not only emotionless but basically lifeless and way too robotic and for a guy playing the role of the Genius/Military expert he lacks any ounce of Charisma to make him work |
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Hand_of_the_King said: amateur said: Lets see a Sagara Sousuke/Setsuna Seiei clone without any of the actual back-story as to why they are so military efficient from growing in violent environments at a very young age, yet emotionally distant from being trough so much and without any kind of charm those 2 had. ^Basically this,as much as I usually like characters like that,Inaho is an exception as he's not only emotionless but basically lifeless and way too robotic and for a guy playing the role of the Genius/Military expert he lacks any ounce of Charisma to make him work Robotic and lifeless. Seriously that's about as useless as saying I don't like a character because he sucks. An overused pointless argument that means nothing and is only used in place of elaboration. Next you're going to call the show generic and cliche right? Since those words fall in the same catagory. |
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| idk waiting for the series to actually end before picking it up |
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kingcity20 said: Hand_of_the_King said: ^Basically this,as much as I usually like characters like that,Inaho is an exception as he's not only emotionless but basically lifeless and way too robotic and for a guy playing the role of the Genius/Military expert he lacks any ounce of Charisma to make him work Robotic and lifeless. Seriously that's about as useless as saying I don't like a character because he sucks. An overused pointless argument that means nothing and is only used in place of elaboration. Next you're going to call the show generic and cliche right? Since those words fall in the same catagory. It's not really the same,as i was basically specifying why he sucks (To be more precise why I do'nt like him),plus i hardly consider it an argument,I just stated my views on his character. And I do'nt get what you mean by "in place of further elaboration",are you expecting expecting me to write a wall of text on something that can summed up much easier,Basically...my statement was the Elaboration,as anyone who reads it will get what I was trying tosay (at least I hope so). Lastly,Being "Generic and Cliche" or not is none of my concern |
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Hand_of_the_King said: kingcity20 said: Robotic and lifeless. Seriously that's about as useless as saying I don't like a character because he sucks. An overused pointless argument that means nothing and is only used in place of elaboration. Next you're going to call the show generic and cliche right? Since those words fall in the same catagory. It's not really the same,as i was basically specifying why he sucks (To be more precise why I do'nt like him),plus i hardly consider it an argument,I just stated my views on his character. And I do'nt get what you mean by "in place of further elaboration",are you expecting expecting me to write a wall of text on something that can summed up much easier,Basically...my statement was the Elaboration,as anyone who reads it will get what I was trying tosay (at least I hope so). Lastly,Being "Generic and Cliche" or not is none of my concern What exactly is robotic? No emotions, or not being able to display the emotions he might have. What is lifeless? Not having a drive more than wanting to survive? That is what I mean by it fails to elaborate. You stated he was to robotic and lifeless for a guy playing a military genius and that he lacked charisma. Are all geniuses charismatic? He's not playing a military leader so is charisma really necessary? |
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| I don't really get the hate for him. He has no personality, but none of the characters in this show are anything special. He's considered a Gary Stu because he's a genius I guess? It's not like he ever cheated or won via asspull. It's established right away how smart and tactical he is. |
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kingcity20 said: What exactly is robotic? No emotions, or not being able to display the emotions he might have. What is lifeless? Not having a drive more than wanting to survive? That is what I mean by it fails to elaborate. You stated he was to robotic and lifeless for a guy playing a military genius and that he lacked charisma. Are all geniuses charismatic? He's not playing a military leader so is charisma really necessary? To put it simply how acts and reacts just feels off.....Most notable was that missile scene,his reaction was just "there's a missile coming,let's get outta here" that's not how a person (animated or otherwise) would react....It feels more like a Robot/Computer that does'nt have a sense of danger just processed something and was relaying it to his owner,when I called him lifeless.......It's mostly something about his presence (or lack thereof),i find it hard to explain,even when in casual conversation,he feels like some sick patient or something To put it simply he does'nt feel like a character in a role....but more like a bad actor reading off a script |
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Hand_of_the_King said: kingcity20 said: What exactly is robotic? No emotions, or not being able to display the emotions he might have. What is lifeless? Not having a drive more than wanting to survive? That is what I mean by it fails to elaborate. You stated he was to robotic and lifeless for a guy playing a military genius and that he lacked charisma. Are all geniuses charismatic? He's not playing a military leader so is charisma really necessary? To put it simply how acts and reacts just feels off.....Most notable was that missile scene,his reaction was just "there's a missile coming,let's get outta here" that's not how a person (animated or otherwise) would react....It feels more like a Robot/Computer that does'nt have a sense of danger just processed something and was relaying it to his owner,when I called him lifeless.......It's mostly something about his presence (or lack thereof),i find it hard to explain,even when in casual conversation,he feels like some sick patient or something To put it simply he does'nt feel like a character in a role....but more like a bad actor reading off a script See that's a better way of putting it, now I can understand your opinion whether I disagree with it or not. The way you put it the first time I just couldn't understand, since robotic to me means someone or something that just follows commands, no questions asked. Lifeless means someone who just lays around and does nothing. So without proper elaboration I didn't have an idea of what you meant. Now to counter your point, I wouldn't call him robotic at all. He's out of tune with the world, or tends to ignore anything that doesn't pertain to him. An example is when they were all excited that the princess was coming, and his response was there's eggs on sale. Is he not relatable? I don't think so since me and my brother act that way all the time. People can be around us all excited about a concert that they're going to and we'll probably be on our tablets researching something or on ebay looking for sales. We both have ADHD so maybe it isn't common to act this way, but to us we can connect with him. Of course with Inaho there has been no indication that Inaho has any mental disorders, and the only thing we've gotten about him is that he was the top of his class and a genius. At this point we can only make assumptions on his character, but there is still another half a season to go. |
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| What makes one character likable/dislikable doesn't always work with other characters. Context matters. However, I don't think it worked for Inaho. It didn't help that the enemies he was up against were stupid, overconfident, and equally uninteresting for the most part. You could watch 1-2 fights and then predict every other encounter for the rest of the show. Of all mecha animes out there, AZ is unremarkable. Good art and soundtrack, but story/characters are pretty forgettable. While MAL ratings are generally meaningless, Im surprised this is almost an 8 on the site. Democracy said: I agree with you, Inaho used a shitty robot to destroy ridiculously overpowered OP mechas. Which is a VERY welcome change considering every other mecha MC is only alive because they got lucky and found an OP robot that is lightyears ahead of what everyone else is using. Maybe, but I wouldn't make that generalization. Not the case in Sidonia no Kishi or even Evangelion. |
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KazuhoYoshii said: What makes one character likable/dislikable doesn't always work with other characters. Context matters. However, I don't think it worked for Inaho. It didn't help that the enemies he was up against were stupid, overconfident, and equally uninteresting for the most part. You could watch 1-2 fights and then predict every other encounter for the rest of the show. Of all mecha animes out there, AZ is unremarkable. Good art and soundtrack, but story/characters are pretty forgettable. While MAL ratings are generally meaningless, Im surprised this is almost an 8 on the site. Democracy said: I agree with you, Inaho used a shitty robot to destroy ridiculously overpowered OP mechas. Which is a VERY welcome change considering every other mecha MC is only alive because they got lucky and found an OP robot that is lightyears ahead of what everyone else is using. Maybe, but I wouldn't make that generalization. Not the case in Sidonia no Kishi or even Evangelion. Sidonia is arguable given the origins of the Main >_> |
Darklight0303 said: KazuhoYoshii said: What makes one character likable/dislikable doesn't always work with other characters. Context matters. However, I don't think it worked for Inaho. It didn't help that the enemies he was up against were stupid, overconfident, and equally uninteresting for the most part. You could watch 1-2 fights and then predict every other encounter for the rest of the show. Of all mecha animes out there, AZ is unremarkable. Good art and soundtrack, but story/characters are pretty forgettable. While MAL ratings are generally meaningless, Im surprised this is almost an 8 on the site. Maybe, but I wouldn't make that generalization. Not the case in Sidonia no Kishi or even Evangelion. Sidonia is arguable given the origins of the Main >_> To be fair, Nagate is still no one-man army, not even in the manga so far. His team makes a huge difference in the later missions that the anime didn't cover. |
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Carefree859 said: Inaho is unlikable because he's very poorly written and completely unrealistic I mean who do you know who would just stand there and watch his friend die and have a face like this.  This is what I never got. People seem to have issues with Inaho being UNRELATABLE rather than UNREALISTIC. Of course us regular peeps living our regular lives would never have encountered such a person given we don't have circumstances which can influence the development of such a personality. Just cause you've never seen such a personality in real life doesn't rule out the possibility of people like that existing. We only interact individually with a small proportion of our ~7billion population after all. |
WhaleKing said: Carefree859 said: Inaho is unlikable because he's very poorly written and completely unrealistic I mean who do you know who would just stand there and watch his friend die and have a face like this. This is what I never got. People seem to have issues with Inaho being UNRELATABLE rather than UNREALISTIC. Of course us regular peeps living our regular lives would never have encountered such a person given we don't have circumstances which can influence the development of such a personality. Just cause you've never seen such a personality in real life doesn't rule out the possibility of people like that existing. We only interact individually with a small proportion of our ~7billion population after all. His character was just written poorly. Wish he would show more emotion but that's just the way his character was made. In countdown to A/Z they specifically said that they wanted to make him more emotional but changed their mind and wanted someone who was calm and collected under any circumstance. Sucks because i think if he showed more emotion he would be one of the better characters in A/Z. Then again almost every character is forgettable if you're just a casual watcher and aren't really into the anime. |
WhaleKing said: Carefree859 said: Inaho is unlikable because he's very poorly written and completely unrealistic I mean who do you know who would just stand there and watch his friend die and have a face like this. This is what I never got. People seem to have issues with Inaho being UNRELATABLE rather than UNREALISTIC. Of course us regular peeps living our regular lives would never have encountered such a person given we don't have circumstances which can influence the development of such a personality. Just cause you've never seen such a personality in real life doesn't rule out the possibility of people like that existing. We only interact individually with a small proportion of our ~7billion population after all. What's your point? What you say is true, but that doesn't make Inaho any less shitty. |
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kingcity20 said: Hand_of_the_King said: ^Basically this,as much as I usually like characters like that,Inaho is an exception as he's not only emotionless but basically lifeless and way too robotic and for a guy playing the role of the Genius/Military expert he lacks any ounce of Charisma to make him work Robotic and lifeless. Seriously that's about as useless as saying I don't like a character because he sucks. An overused pointless argument that means nothing and is only used in place of elaboration. Next you're going to call the show generic and cliche right? Since those words fall in the same catagory. Actually I think it's a pretty fair and on the money description. The character has no personality with no real explanation given as to why in show really. If anything the cast just seems to think of it as some sort of loveable quirk, which is extremely odd to say the least. Must have just really thought everyone would find a character like that super cool or something so they just took the whole thinks about situations and tries to come up with solutions using "logic" thing and ran with it like that was good enough to make a compelling lead character. KazuhoYoshii said: What makes one character likable/dislikable doesn't always work with other characters. Context matters. However, I don't think it worked for Inaho. It didn't help that the enemies he was up against were stupid, overconfident, and equally uninteresting for the most part. You could watch 1-2 fights and then predict every other encounter for the rest of the show. Of all mecha animes out there, AZ is unremarkable. Good art and soundtrack, but story/characters are pretty forgettable. While MAL ratings are generally meaningless, Im surprised this is almost an 8 on the site. It's mainly the staff popularity I think. Pretty much every single major staff member has a massive fanboy following so it brought a lot of people in that normally wouldn't even give a sci-fi/mecha series the time of day and then was also kind of flashy (I think most of the fights were kind of mediocre though in the grand scheme of the genre, but they were flashy nonetheless) and probably a lot of peoples first mecha series they either ever watched with anything resembling a budget or even maintained the pretense of not trying to just be a goofy lampooning type deal since it plays itself ridiculously over the top serious for the most part even as the cast is kind of buffoonish for the most part. To me it just comes across as an extremely half baked attempt to run a Gundam series with a super robot vs. real robot gimmick that it leans on to carry itself through much of the season at the expense of having anything resembling compelling or interesting characters. Pretty much textbook Aniplex style over substance stuff. Honestly though where the show absolutely loses the most points are the characters. Not a single one felt natural, compelling, interesting or relatable by the end and they squandered the one chance they might have had at an interesting character subplot with Marito when the producer insisted they switch his taking the final shot on the rocket punch robot enemy with Rayet probably because they needed to emphasize a potential waifu character a little more even though everything going on in the script pointed towards that being Marito's big moment. Just stupid typical Aniplex interfering and putting minor profit potential increases ahead of having the shows cast function in a way that made the most sense. It's just like what else is new though.... |
PeacingOutNov 28, 2014 12:34 PM
lebron181 said: Inaho is stoic. Why is it hard to understand his personality? Would you guys rather have head-scratching, wtf, facepalm moments because we have plenty of those in anime. Because he's BORING! You can write a stoic character plenty fine and have him pretty much nothing remotely interesting or compelling about them. Look at Chirico Cuvie. Sousuke Sagara? Setsuna F. Seiei? Like I've seen this kind of character done before, but never this poorly where they just give the character absolutely nothing of interest beyond having a name and doing what they do. The character exhibits virtually now growth, has no real meaningful interactions with any of the cast members and is pretty much just a combat robot and plot device in how he's used and this is the main character. It's something I've honestly never seen before, probably because it's just such an ill-conceived idea. Basically I'd rather see a character that has the slightest bit of charisma or intrigue surrounding them though. I don't know why that was so hard to ask for out of this show considering it should have had that in spades. Also has it occurred to anyone that seems to be advocating for the character that it's pretty damning when the most consistent defense and argument for how he was handled is that he's not comparable to other extreme example of a poorly conceived one dimensional character type? I mean have standards gotten so low in this industry and fandom now that merely not being a crying manic emotional wreck of a character and yet literally having nothing else of note to speak of aside from "thinks logically and without emotion" automatically qualifies you as a good and acceptable leading character now? It just seems pathetic to me if that's the case. Like I'm literally trying to think of one meaningful scene the character had that wasn't related to just how to go about fighting a battle and I can't come up with anything at all. Why is this okay to anybody? |
PeacingOutNov 28, 2014 12:43 PM
lebron181 said: Inaho is stoic. Why is it hard to understand his personality? Would you guys rather have head-scratching, wtf, facepalm moments because we have plenty of those in anime. Yes. |
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robis798 said: WhaleKing said: This is what I never got. People seem to have issues with Inaho being UNRELATABLE rather than UNREALISTIC. Of course us regular peeps living our regular lives would never have encountered such a person given we don't have circumstances which can influence the development of such a personality. Just cause you've never seen such a personality in real life doesn't rule out the possibility of people like that existing. We only interact individually with a small proportion of our ~7billion population after all. What's your point? What you say is true, but that doesn't make Inaho any less shitty. This statement more or less proves the point I'm trying to make. To each his/her own I guess :/ |
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WhaleKing said: robis798 said: What's your point? What you say is true, but that doesn't make Inaho any less shitty. This statement more or less proves the point I'm trying to make. To each his/her own I guess :/ I prefer him like this than a hot head. |
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| I bet many of those who hate Inaho are actually liking kuudere girls. But hypocrisy is nothing new on this planet... |
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| There's plenty to like and dislike about him so I would say I only kinda like him... I guess? His blasé attitude is in a whole another level which is refreshing (I'm tired of male leads in anime like this who are too damn loud or emotional I guess @_@) but at the same time completely unrealistic. Watching his friend die and looking "meh" about it but later on expresses his revenge for said friend... I was left thinking "oh, you actually cared that he died?" also his entire relationship with the princess, when I finished the show I was left thinking "oh, you actually loved her?" It's one thing to be indifferent but he's wayyyy too indifferent to the point that even viewers don't understand him, so that's too much. Lol |
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Grey-Zone said: I bet many of those who hate Inaho are actually liking kuudere girls. But hypocrisy is nothing new on this planet... Well not me. Most kuuderes can go to hell. |
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raenydays said: There's plenty to like and dislike about him so I would say I only kinda like him... I guess? His blasé attitude is in a whole another level which is refreshing (I'm tired of male leads in anime like this who are too damn loud or emotional I guess @_@) but at the same time completely unrealistic. Watching his friend die and looking "meh" about it but later on expresses his revenge for said friend... I was left thinking "oh, you actually cared that he died?" also his entire relationship with the princess, when I finished the show I was left thinking "oh, you actually loved her?" It's one thing to be indifferent but he's wayyyy too indifferent to the point that even viewers don't understand him, so that's too much. Lol There is a difference between having no emotions and having emotions but not being able to express them. Inaho is obviously the latter case. I don't understand why almost no one has thought of that yet... robis798 said: Well not me. Most kuuderes can go to hell. That's fine, I actually dislike many (not all) Kuudere as well. But there are still many who fawn over kuudere, but once a similar type of character in male form appears, then he is suddenly just an "uninteresting robot". |
Grey-ZoneDec 1, 2014 12:17 PM
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Grey-Zone said: raenydays said: There's plenty to like and dislike about him so I would say I only kinda like him... I guess? His blasé attitude is in a whole another level which is refreshing (I'm tired of male leads in anime like this who are too damn loud or emotional I guess @_@) but at the same time completely unrealistic. Watching his friend die and looking "meh" about it but later on expresses his revenge for said friend... I was left thinking "oh, you actually cared that he died?" also his entire relationship with the princess, when I finished the show I was left thinking "oh, you actually loved her?" It's one thing to be indifferent but he's wayyyy too indifferent to the point that even viewers don't understand him, so that's too much. Lol There is a difference between having no emotions and having emotions but not being able to express them. Inaho is obviously the latter case. I don't understand why almost nothing has thinked of that yet... The ability to read subtlety is a lost art in this day and age. If it's not pointed out with big flashing neon lights it doesn't exist. |
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WhaleKing said: robis798 said: What's your point? What you say is true, but that doesn't make Inaho any less shitty. This statement more or less proves the point I'm trying to make. To each his/her own I guess :/   Real People after Traumatic Event Hollywood / Anime    Those who couldn't relate don't know what it feels like after a real trauma and being close to death's door. We are too used to being fed Hollywood fake emotions. Real people get shaken, shell-shocked, and stunned. |
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