Aldnoah.Zero Season One
newnar said: The reason this vote is going so undecidedly is already evidence that Slaine is a well-made character No it's not. But feel free to tell yourself it is |
| I went for undecided just to hope that I'm right, was going to go for good :) |
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| I wouldn't say he's that good of a character but he's still probably more human than most characters in this anime and miles better than Inaho, not that it's much of a compliment. Probably why some of these weebs are so butthurt. They love their self insert 'badass' Gary Stus but when a character with more human aspects is portrayed it's 'worst character eva!!!'. |
FIREF0X said: I wouldn't say he's that good of a character but he's still probably more human than most characters in this anime and miles better than Inaho, not that it's much of a compliment. Probably why some of these weebs are so butthurt. They love their self insert 'badass' Gary Stus but when a character with more human aspects is portrayed it's 'worst character eva!!!'. The fact that you consider Slaine to fit your standards of human is concerning given his utter lack of competence and common sense. |
Darklight0303 said: He's a god damn 15 year old kid who has been treated like less than dirt for a good portion of his life, do you think you would fair any better in his position?FIREF0X said: I wouldn't say he's that good of a character but he's still probably more human than most characters in this anime and miles better than Inaho, not that it's much of a compliment. Probably why some of these weebs are so butthurt. They love their self insert 'badass' Gary Stus but when a character with more human aspects is portrayed it's 'worst character eva!!!'. The fact that you consider Slaine to fit your standards of human is concerning given his utter lack of competence and common sense. |
Feaor said: Darklight0303 said: He's a god damn 15 year old kid who has been treated like less than dirt for a good portion of his life, do you think you would fair any better in his position?The fact that you consider Slaine to fit your standards of human is concerning given his utter lack of competence and common sense. You don't need to be a seasoned veteran to know that saving the one who will stop at nothing to kill your crush is a bad idea. He could have just walked away and continued his search for the princess. |
Darklight0303Sep 22, 2014 6:44 AM
| The Inaho fanboys are out in force again it seems. Your boy got owned, deal with it. |
TheIMF said: The Inaho fanboys are out in force again it seems. Your boy got owned, deal with it. And your boy has lost all purpose to live for. Enjoy your husk of a character |
Darklight0303 said: As I and many other in this thread have been trying to hammer into people's heads that its pretty damn obvious that he is very conflicted as to where is loyalties lie, the only two Martians to every treat him as human are in conflict and while he wants to save the princess he sympathizes with Saazbaum and his objectives to destroy the Vers Empire. That's why he ended up saving Saazbaum, because he couldn't choose which side and it ended up costing him both people (if the Princess is actually dead that is), which he almost certainly knows.Feaor said: He's a god damn 15 year old kid who has been treated like less than dirt for a good portion of his life, do you think you would fair any better in his position? You don't need to be a seasoned veteran to know that saving the one who will stop at nothing to kill your crush is a bad idea. |
Feaor said: Darklight0303 said: As I and many other in this thread have been trying to hammer into people's heads that its pretty damn obvious that he is very conflicted as to where is loyalties lie, the only two Martians to every treat him as human are in conflict and while he wants to save the princess he sympathizes with Saazbaum and his objectives to destroy the Vers Empire. That's why he ended up saving Saazbaum, because he couldn't choose which side and it ended up costing him both people (if the Princess is actually dead that is), which he almost certainly knows.You don't need to be a seasoned veteran to know that saving the one who will stop at nothing to kill your crush is a bad idea. It's not the same when the other Martian clearly stated he will kill her. You really don't get it do you. From the start Slaine's loyalty to the princess has been unwavering. Yet when faced with the one who OPENLY admits to being the one who plotted and still is plotting her assasination, he is actually swayed? THIS goes against his loyalty to the princess up to this point. There is no excuse for his decision no matter how much you lie to yourself that there is. And his shock that Sazbaum actually killed her when he had the chance. That is even more proof that he was not thinking at all. Something he is guilty of throughout the entire bloody series. If that is what it means to be human we would all be falling and tripping to our deaths DAILY |
TheIMF said: The Inaho fanboys are out in force again it seems. Your boy got owned, deal with it. Your boy's rping the corpse as we speak. |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
| Well Slaine is definitely the best written character in this series. His decisions were all realistic if you consider his thought process. While on the other side we have some Gary Stu Inaho who can be barely considered human. |
| I am a human. |
AppoX said: Well Slaine is definitely the best written character in this series. His decisions were all realistic if you consider his thought process. While on the other side we have some Gary Stu Inaho who can be barely considered human. Saving Sazbaum is realistic? |
AppoX said: Well Slaine is definitely the best written character in this series. His decisions were all realistic if you consider his thought process. While on the other side we have some Gary Stu Inaho who can be barely considered human. Humanity would have never left the stone age if real people acted like Slaine does. |
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Raziel1991 said: AppoX said: Well Slaine is definitely the best written character in this series. His decisions were all realistic if you consider his thought process. While on the other side we have some Gary Stu Inaho who can be barely considered human. Humanity would have never left the stone age if real people acted like Slaine does. Not even that. We would've died out. Falling off cliffs and walking off into lethal hazards every day. |
Darklight0303 said: Raziel1991 said: Humanity would have never left the stone age if real people acted like Slaine does. Not even that. We would've died out. Falling off cliffs and walking off into lethal hazards every day. Lol Darklight I don't know about responding to AppoX anymore after his hysteric rant on anime. |
ErenxMikasa said: Darklight0303 said: Not even that. We would've died out. Falling off cliffs and walking off into lethal hazards every day. Lol Darklight I don't know why you respond do AppoX anymore after his hysteric rant about all anime. I responded to this before his pointless noise. But I've given up on his kind |
| He was a naive little kid up until the last episode. He went full retard after that. Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Seriously, Nisekoi's best girl wars don't hold a candle to this shit. |
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BotatoPriest said: He was a naive little kid up until the last episode. He went full retard after that. Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Seriously, Nisekoi's best girl wars don't hold a candle to this shit. Maybe that was their plan all long XD |
| Slaine and the Count were probably the only relatable characters on that show. They are more realistic than most of the characters. Slaine did make a mistake saving the Count but like normal people, he acted on impulses. |
BotatoPriest said: Make love not war, they stand strongest together - He was a naive little kid up until the last episode. He went full retard after that. Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Seriously, Nisekoi's best girl wars don't hold a candle to this shit.  |
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Ratohnhaketon said: BotatoPriest said: Make love not war, they stand strongest together - He was a naive little kid up until the last episode. He went full retard after that. Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Seriously, Nisekoi's best girl wars don't hold a candle to this shit. I think I'm going to feel ill... |
| There's a part entitled : Slaine did not kill Inaho out of jealousy Go read it http://fantasticmemes.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/shipping-inaho-x-hime-x-slaine-aldnoah-zero/ |
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BotatoPriest said: Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Yea the salt over this episode is pretty unreal, didn't expect A.Z to be the shitstorm show of the season. |
Ratohnhaketon said: BotatoPriest said: Make love not war, they stand strongest together - He was a naive little kid up until the last episode. He went full retard after that. Well, one thing I have to tip my hat for the producers of A.Z for is that they managed to make the Slaine vs. Inaho wars more fun and intense than any waifu wars I've ever seen. Seriously, Nisekoi's best girl wars don't hold a candle to this shit. I prefer this version tbh:  |
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Link_of_Hyrule said: zum_bum said: He had no idea the princess was even on this ship, much less in any immediate danger. This comment is just totally incoherent.He's a retard. That's pretty much all I can say. He hasn't done anything right in the entire series. He f**s up literally everything. Oh, look!! The guy who tried to kill Asseylum is losing in a fight! BETTER HELP HIM FAST!!!! He isn't being loyal. He's just retarded as f**k. Should make up his decision instead of changing it every episode. One episode he's the good guy, the other he's the bad one. And the statement that he's human, because of what he does. Um....yeh....as if a human could endure so much torture without breaking. I'd tell them everything before they even started. Just kill me fast and painlessly, please. TL;DR: Slaine is a retard who won't be missed if he dies(slowly and painfully). Where did you see me mention a ship? Your comment is totally offtopic and doesn't make any sense. Before commenting on someone's post read it and think about it first instead of just writing random stuff. |
| Slaine is mai waifu. He will forever be my waifu. Even if he's the bad guy in the second season. |
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| There's no logical reasoning behind their rivalry in the 1st place, they we're just being dicks to each other even though they're both obviously acting for the sake of the princess. With Inaho gunning down Slaine and leaving him stranded after Slaine proved himself to be an asset to their cause and all. And then he said this to someone who's never been very useful and tried to kill the princess twice (the 1st attempt contributing to the outbreak of the fucking war) Then there's Slaine, who shoots Inaho in the face after trying his darndest to stop the guy who killed the princess from doing so because.....idk we need a sequel hook. I don't like either of them, but between the guy who has all the personality of the eggs he craves and the complete fuckwit, I guess the latter was a better character for being less dull. I guess the writers tried to capture the appeal of something like the Suzaku/Lelouche dynamic but did a lazy job of it |
gedataDec 4, 2014 7:35 PM
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Link_of_Hyrule said: Slaine is complex, multifaceted, and above all: human. Unlike that piece of shit Inaho, the final episode established that Slaine makes mistakes and is not some predictable goody-two-shoes nor is he a gary stu. If you put too much sugar in your coffee, you've made a mistake. If you drive through a red light AND refuse to pay the fine, you might be sent to prison. If you save the genocidal maniac who had you tortured, leading to the apparent death of the woman you love, then have a fit, shooting him several times, aiming poorly, and finally proceed to shoot the man that tries to save your woman,.. usually you're institutionalized. Well, I guess that actually does make him human, but it has no place in an anime like this, even if it was only because there's other anime for that, and other anime that have done it better (e.g. Perfect Blue). So, in summary: Slaine is bad, mkay?! |
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gedata said: There's no logical reasoning behind their rivalry in the 1st place, they we're just being dicks to each other even though they're both obviously acting for the sake of the princess. With Inaho gunning down Slaine and leaving him stranded after Slaine proved himself to be an asset to their cause and all. And then he said this to someone who's never been very useful and tried to kill the princess twice (the 1st attempt contributing to the outbreak of the fucking war) Then there's Slaine, who shoots Inaho in the face after trying his darndest to stop the guy who killed the princess from doing so because.....idk we need a sequel hook. I don't like either of them, but between the guy who has all the personality of the eggs he craves and the complete fuckwit, I guess the latter was a better character for being less dull. I guess the writers tried to capture the appeal of something like the Suzaku/Lelouche dynamic but did a lazy job of it Excellent point. I'm sure someone has already defended Inaho on this point, but to me this is a very sound argument. Rayet actually tried to kill the princess (and is a martian) and Inaho trusts her enough to give her a weapon. Slaine is never shown to do anything to hurt the princess (in fact he helps defend the ship he knows she's on) and Inaho is so suspicious of him it ends up with him shooting him down (yes Slaine shot first...idiot. But why was Inaho so understanding of Rayet (attempted-murderer) and managed to talk her down, but then did NONE of this for Slaine?) EDIT: ADDED RESPONSE Laionidas said: Link_of_Hyrule said: Slaine is complex, multifaceted, and above all: human. Unlike that piece of shit Inaho, the final episode established that Slaine makes mistakes and is not some predictable goody-two-shoes nor is he a gary stu. If you put too much sugar in your coffee, you've made a mistake. If you drive through a red light AND refuse to pay the fine, you might be sent to prison. If you save the genocidal maniac who had you tortured, leading to the apparent death of the woman you love, then have a fit, shooting him several times, aiming poorly, and finally proceed to shoot the man that tries to save your woman,.. usually you're institutionalized. Well, I guess that actually does make him human, but it has no place in an anime like this, even if it was only because there's other anime for that, and other anime that have done it better (e.g. Perfect Blue). So, in summary: Slaine is bad, mkay?! "If you save the genocidal maniac who had you tortured" um was it not Count Cruhteo that had Slaine tortured--not Sauzbaum? Sauzbaum actually saved him... Also rather than having an agenda for seeing everything Slaine does as bad why can't you consider why he might do what he did? Technically killing Sauzbaum isn't smart. If he helps him, he can gain power to eventually do what ever it is he needs to do (like save the princess--WHICH IS WHAT HE DID). And as seen from the latest episode, he never truly followed him, he was just buying is time to do away with him. It was smart. You act like he's a crazy confused kid who doesn't have rational reasons for his actions. Way to one-sided. Also I think its pretty clear that no one is 100% good or bad. Therefore despite the fact Sauzbaum cooked up this whole mess we know he had reasons for it, reasons he told Slaine, he wasn't completely horrible to Slaine so why are we acting like Slaine going along with him is some tragic evil? |
InugirlzFeb 9, 2015 10:49 AM
Raziel1991 said: AppoX said: Well Slaine is definitely the best written character in this series. His decisions were all realistic if you consider his thought process. While on the other side we have some Gary Stu Inaho who can be barely considered human. Humanity would have never left the stone age if real people acted like Slaine does. If Slaine is considered realistic than I have lost faith in humanity. |
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| I think it's pretty cool how opinions on Slaine are almost evenly divided. I chose undecided/no strong opinion. I think people forget that a "good/bad character" is not based on the character's actions, thoughts, personality, and so forth, but rather on the depiction and development of the character. Slaine had a lot more depth than some of the others. The Versians in general had way more motivation and development than any of the Terrans. Now that I think about it, the reason for this is that the Versians have harbored jealousy and hatred towards Earth and their own rulers, those with the Aldnoah activation factor, whereas Terrans are just responding to the attacks to protect themselves. Think about the Terrans we follow. Inaho has no reason to fight besides the fact that it's war, as he says a few times. Later, he starts to feel obligated, as he's the only one who's capable of defeating the Versians especially with his new eye, but it's still just because he should. The only time we see any hint of true motivation and emotion from him isn't actually from him--it's the program from his eye taking over and speaking for him, telling Princess Asseylum how he thinks of her as a part of him. If this had been developed more, it would've been a great aspect to add to Inaho's character, but his stoicism throughout the series is what hinders that from happening. His sister Yuki wants to protect Inaho but the scenes that show this are weak. She, like many Terrans, fights because she has to. Inko, Calm, Nina, and basically all of the crew have no reason to fight except that they have to. Marito has some substance to him but it felt underdeveloped somehow. It felt less important than it should've, which probably could've been fixed by giving him more screen time or a more important role. Same goes for Magbaredge. Now the Versians. Somewhere in the middle lie Rayet and Slaine. First, Rayet. Something about her characterization felt off, but we were clearly given reasons for her actions, shown exactly what happened to make her this way, and watched her go through different emotions while trying to figure things out. Maybe it's because the scenes with Inaho were forced, with her decrepitating herself and him saying she's wrong over and over. Rayet was a much better character without those scenes but rather as a fighter and someone with conviction. Other Versians such as the Orbital Knights all have their reasons. We see a strong conflict even within Vers and the Orbital Knights which makes them far more interesting than anything going on on Earth. (The UE was flat, boring, and basically all of the fighting was done by the Deucalion and the Inaho crew.) Each Count we were introduced to was distinguished from the others by some aspect of their personality or intentions. Cruhteo, Saazbaum, and Mazuurek were good examples of good characterization. We saw them with their solid convictions and how they were able to change based on situations. Cruhteo's son also exemplified this later on. Lemrina was rather one-dimensional but she did more and was more complex than the Terrans. She kept talking about her hatred for her blood, how she was a substitute, and as Slaine observed, what she wanted most of all was a safe place to call home. She was a pawn and yet she still took action on her own accord with meeting Counts and discovering the truth about Asseylum herself. Princess Asseylum was... somewhat flat. We knew she wanted peace between Earth and Vers because she grew enamored with the world Slaine painted. We knew she was kind and wanted to save everyone. That was essentially all there was to her. She proved that she's capable of handling power, as well, but it didn't occur enough to make a big impact. She was rather naive the whole time. I was just about to talk about Slaine when I remembered, Harklight! It surprised me how much I ended up enjoying his character. At first, he was just a loyal servant, but he changed very subtly. He was revealed to be low-born which created a connection between him and Slaine. He grew more confident, began to take on more important and serious tasks, was trusted with a lot of things, stayed by Slaine's side to the very end. I didn't expect him to turn around at the end of the 2nd season! I loved it. It showed his devotion to Slaine more than anything. Now, Slaine is not a "bad character." He is a Terran who gains an enormous amount of power in Vers. He began innocent, discriminated, but completely in love with and loyal to Princess Asseylum. He went to Earth on his own to search for her and after finding out she was still alive, he let nothing spill during his torture by Cruhteo. Things start getting warped for him after Count Saazbaum "saves" him and reveals, quite plainly, everything he'd done to Princess Asselyum and his intentions. What is Slaine to do with all this information? Surprisingly, at least to me, he goes along with it. His reasoning confused me for a long time, but looking back on it, he had probably thought far ahead and decided to use Saazbaum to get to Asseylum. This is the first hint of his ambition, quick thinking, and strong convictions. When Saazbaum shot Asseylum, he freaked and nearly killed the Count. Unterstandable--the just murdered his beloved princess he'd gone all this way to protect. I assume he thought he'd get to Asseylum before Saazbaum could kill her. He couldn't save Asseylum and then there was his enemy of sorts, Inaho, crawling towards her. With everything he'd gone through for her, he snapped and shot Inaho. It was probably an effect of the dire situation, jealousy, and the fact that he'd just shot Saazbaum several times, anyway. After all this, Slaine is alone. Just like Lemrina, he doesn't have a home, but Saazbaum treated him differently than the others. I can't explain why he wouldn't kill Saazbaum after he shot Asseylum. He just had a mental breakdown. But as we see later, he's way smarter and more conniving than expected. He asked Saazbaum to save Asseylum, and once they were on the Moonbase and she was being taken care of, he began a (misguided) attempt at gaining power to create the world the Asseylum desired. He lost himself during this, forgetting that Asseylum wanted peace between Terrans and Versians, not just the planet Earth to be theirs. He was probably able to justify everything by saying it was for Asseylum even though his own hatred for both planets blinded him. When he surrendered at the end, it was because of his princess. I'm not sure how true it was that they couldn't win anymore. From the Terran perspective, it seemed like many Orbital Knights and their forces were still fighting even after Asseylum's announcement, simply because they wanted this war. But Slaine seemed to finally let go of his thirst for power because, after all, it was for Princess Asseylum the whole time, and she was asking for Slaine to stop. So he did. His fight with Inaho was simply a "last battle," something overdue and necessary because they were rivals in some sense of the word. Inaho saves Slaine and we get to see him afterwards, locked up. I thought he'd lost his emotions during his reign, but when Inaho speaks of Asseylum, he shows his true feelings. It's most likely only possible because he was broken down and lost the war he fought so hard for her. Anyway, Slaine wasn't a bad character. He was misguided and probably unlikeable to viewers because they couldn't understand his actions. They seemed senseless and wrong and it's misinterpreted as him being a "bad character." When people say he's more realistic and human, I think they mean he's flawed, which we associate with realism and being human. It doesn't necessarily mean his actions were right or followed common sense, as some people have pointed out. I do think he could've been handled better. Making everything clearer definitely would've helped but we were kept in the dark about Slaine's real thoughts and left to assume. Complexity doesn't automatically make a "good character" if it's not handled the best which is why I voted undecided/no strong opinion. I wrote way too much, but I keep reading comments about Slaine that examine his actions and personality rather than him as a character not a person. Of course, I could be wrong about a lot, since the writers didn't exactly tell us what was going on. I just wish they'd created as good of an Earth as they did Vers. Edit: I used the same words too many times... |
moaruMar 30, 2015 5:08 PM
| He is emo and exaggerating, that's all oh .. and stupid. |
| Well Slained(intended) is an overreacting, obnoxious maniac that just wants world domination Stoic inaho beats him any day |
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Botato said: Ratohnhaketon said: Make love not war, they stand strongest together - I prefer this version tbh: hhahhahah you made me laugh i prefer that version to. However i like how Slaine grows though out the series but they really fuck up the ending for me. I actually still cant bring myself to hate the guy, i really couldn't have cared less if Inaho died he really annoyed me ahaha don't ask me why (i'm gonna get a lot of hate for this comment) but he just did. My favorite character was Slaine without him this anime would have been to boring for me and i never would have watched it so i must say even though what he did was fucked up i still think he is a good character. |
j0x said: his error killed 2 main characters in just like 1 minute lol FYI slaine did not kill that bitch princess ASSylum! |
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