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ssjokg said: HATUL said: Yeah, everybody's frozen except for the brave little girl and the robber who no longer has the gun. It can't possibly be another example of bad screenwriting in this show. It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. Some people dont even help car crash victims, why would they help a little girl that has a gun and has already fired it? Because we're not talking about real life nor are we comparing to different anime. We're discussing a scene that wasn't displayed up to its standards and was just a cliché sob story. |
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Mikatarukito said: Unlucky-kat said: Don't you think it is normal for people to go into panic mode when being threatened by a gun and that he is more than capable of killing? Also some of you should stop spoiling even if it is in a spoiler tag. That isn't what this thread is about, now is it? I'm pretty sure there was like a 5 second delay per shot. I think after the first the people would be out of a ''dazed'' state. If you claim that adults would be dazed after being threatened, seems quite weird that a 8/9 year old girl isn't. Like someone else said. You don't simply go into the line of fire of a frightened person in panic mode. It also happened quite fast for them to really understand what was going on. Even she didn't really understand it until she saw her mother's face. Also the anime didn't even mention that in the car accident her mother was with her dad. Quote from the light novels about it: Which is why she wants to protect her mother even from a bank robber |
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ssjokg said: Because security guards don't exist either.HATUL said: Yeah, everybody's frozen except for the brave little girl and the robber who no longer has the gun. It can't possibly be another example of bad screenwriting in this show. It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. |
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phantom19 said: PTSD doesn't involve vomiting and passing out every time someone makes a finger gun. You can't be stupid enough to buy that.Oh give me a break. The mom's reaction to her daughter killing that guy is such bs unless she was psychotic from the start. Looking in fear after her daughter did that? I don't think so. She would have immediately ran over to make sure she was okay after being attacked. PTSD of the girl is fine. I don't know why people are complaining about that. Guess everything is "forced" with them. |
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ssjokg said: HATUL said: Yeah, everybody's frozen except for the brave little girl and the robber who no longer has the gun. It can't possibly be another example of bad screenwriting in this show. It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. Some people dont even help car crash victims, why would they help a little girl that has a gun and has already fired it? They had plenty of time before she shot the gun. And ok, apparently even her mom is selfish enough to not help her own daughter. This is bad screenwriting and you're struggling to excuse it. |
ssjokg said: Mikatarukito said: ... Yet a child can go aggressive on an attacker which is high on unknown drugs yeah..? It's illogical and to state the reason why I'm constantly on this scene is because it's the reason why Asda (Asada) plays GGO and has the trauma over guns. Really don't think this can be considered ''trivial'' if anyone thinks so. Yes.Some people go aggressive.Your problem is why nobody else did it?Because they had no reason to.They didnt have to help their mentally ill mother and they dont have the guts to approach a little girl that has already fired the gun she is holding. People with fear of heights are doing skydiving.Why is playing GGO when you have a fear for guns illogical? I never said that playing ggo is illogical if you have fear of guns. I'm saying that people who claim this scene to be ''trivial'' are wrong. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
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Mikatarukito said: ssjokg said: It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. Some people dont even help car crash victims, why would they help a little girl that has a gun and has already fired it? Because we're not talking about real life nor are we comparing to different anime. We're discussing a scene that wasn't displayed up to its standards and was just a cliché sob story. I am sorry I thought we were using irl "logic". So?It is bad because it is cliche? How com SAO is the only offender? Link_of_Hyrule said: This is a fantastic comedy anime. The amount of bullshit they are trying to spoon feed us is setting new records; not an ounce of realism to be found in this anime Right... |
ssjokg said: Mikatarukito said: Because we're not talking about real life nor are we comparing to different anime. We're discussing a scene that wasn't displayed up to its standards and was just a cliché sob story. I am sorry I thought we were using irl "logic". So?It is bad because it is cliche? How com SAO is the only offender? Link_of_Hyrule said: This is a fantastic comedy anime. The amount of bullshit they are trying to spoon feed us is setting new records; not an ounce of realism to be found in this anime Right... Where have I once stated that this episode was bad? I just claimed that it was cliché and only used to grab the audiences attention due to SAO poor character cast. And I'm using general logic. I think that out of 10 people, at least one or two people would help the injured person in the car crash. |
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| It was rather odd how sinon's back story was played out. I'd be honest her ptsd is rather odd but not intolerable when compared to her mothers reaction to her killing. It's not horrible though just simply not well thought out. We can't expect all adaptions to be perfect :P |
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T3hSource said: BEcause all of them are well trained soldiers and always next to the entrance...ssjokg said: Because security guards don't exist either.It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. ANd yes some banks do not have them.Like in Greece. HATUL said: Yes her mother has problems as well.ssjokg said: It cant possibly be that people are scared of both of them. Because hearing about people that face robbers is an everyday thing. Some people dont even help car crash victims, why would they help a little girl that has a gun and has already fired it? They had plenty of time before she shot the gun. And ok, apparently even her mom is selfish enough to not help her own daughter. This is bad screenwriting and you're struggling to excuse it. And you and others you are struggling to label it as bad writing. Link_of_Hyrule said: phantom19 said: PTSD doesn't involve vomiting and passing out every time someone makes a finger gun. You can't be stupid enough to buy that.Oh give me a break. The mom's reaction to her daughter killing that guy is such bs unless she was psychotic from the start. Looking in fear after her daughter did that? I don't think so. She would have immediately ran over to make sure she was okay after being attacked. PTSD of the girl is fine. I don't know why people are complaining about that. Guess everything is "forced" with them. You seem like you know your shit. |
Link_of_Hyrule said: This is a fantastic comedy anime. The amount of bullshit they are trying to spoon feed us is setting new records; not an ounce of realism to be found in this anime Realism? You're watching a sci-fi fantasy anime though... |
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Mikatarukito said: I never said that playing ggo is illogical if you have fear of guns. I'm saying that people who claim this scene to be ''trivial'' are wrong. Trivial in what?Because I see people nitpicking on WHy other people didnt help her. They couldnt, didnt wanna,were scared it really doesnt matter . Mikatarukito said: ssjokg said: I am sorry I thought we were using irl "logic". So?It is bad because it is cliche? How com SAO is the only offender? Right... Where have I once stated that this episode was bad? I just claimed that it was cliché and only used to grab the audiences attention due to SAO poor character cast. And I'm using general logic. I think that out of 10 people, at least one or two people would help the injured person in the car crash. And you have 8 people that will just look at at the crash. Stats dont always work how we want them to. |
damastah said: Link_of_Hyrule said: This is a fantastic comedy anime. The amount of bullshit they are trying to spoon feed us is setting new records; not an ounce of realism to be found in this anime Realism? You're watching a sci-fi fantasy anime though... You should cut that sentence down to - ''You're watching anime though...'' |
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LastChapter said: I am literally laughing my ass off right now. A-1 totally did this on purpose. The amount of troll this studio has done might as well go off the charts. Click on your own expense. Well it is still NOT completely spoiled.Both the perp and method. |
ssjokg said: Mikatarukito said: I never said that playing ggo is illogical if you have fear of guns. I'm saying that people who claim this scene to be ''trivial'' are wrong. Trivial in what?Because I see people nitpicking on WHy other people didnt help her. They couldnt, didnt wanna,were scared it really doesnt matter . Mikatarukito said: Where have I once stated that this episode was bad? I just claimed that it was cliché and only used to grab the audiences attention due to SAO poor character cast. And I'm using general logic. I think that out of 10 people, at least one or two people would help the injured person in the car crash. And you have 8 people that will just look at at the crash. Stats dont always work how we want them to. You say it doesn't matter yet it's the reason why Sinon is the girl we all know and love today (exclude me out of that) and is the reason why she even exists in GGO and one of the main character casts taking Asuna place. I'm saying that scene isn't trivial in the slightest but sadly they were holes in that which disturbs me. It could of been prevented but sadly it is a sob story. |
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| People think its a bank. Its the Post Office which provides banking services like some countries outside the US. xD |
| So the interface to join GGO is the same as SAO, can't remember if ALO was also like that |
damastah said: That doesn't mean that the characters should be this ludicrously unrealistic. How am I supposed to not laugh at the chick who vomits and passes out every time someone points a finger gun at her? That's fucking hilarious, and the fact that we are supposed to take it seriously makes it even better.Link_of_Hyrule said: This is a fantastic comedy anime. The amount of bullshit they are trying to spoon feed us is setting new records; not an ounce of realism to be found in this anime Realism? You're watching a sci-fi fantasy anime though... |
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Link_of_Hyrule said: damastah said: That doesn't mean that the characters should be this ludicrously unrealistic. How am I supposed to not laugh at the chick who vomits and passes out every time someone points a finger gun at her? That's fucking hilarious, and the fact that we are supposed to take it seriously makes it even better.Realism? You're watching a sci-fi fantasy anime though... Truly tragic. Clearly you know all about PTSD, nausea and a lot of other stuff like all MAL professionals. It is truly tragic that you cant enjoy simple stories like that due to so much knowledge. Mikatarukito said: You say it doesn't matter yet it's the reason why Sinon is the girl we all know and love today (exclude me out of that) and is the reason why she even exists in GGO and one of the main character casts taking Asuna place. I'm saying that scene isn't trivial in the slightest but sadly they were holes in that which disturbs me. It could of been prevented but sadly it is a sob story. Oh come on. There are holes because some strangers didnt help her? Reki could have easily written that part with only Shino and her mother in the bank and it wouldnt matter(it would make some people claim that it is illogical that it was empty tho). But he put some other people there.It isnt illogical that they didnt help and he didnt have to write it in a way that they did. You keep repeating the "sob story" part but that doesnt change that the scene was alright just not to your liking. |
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ssjokg said: She passes out at the sight of finger guns, but super-realistic virtual-reality guns? Those are fine. Link_of_Hyrule said: That doesn't mean that the characters should be this ludicrously unrealistic. How am I supposed to not laugh at the chick who vomits and passes out every time someone points a finger gun at her? That's fucking hilarious, and the fact that we are supposed to take it seriously makes it even better. Truly tragic. Clearly you know all about PTSD, nausea and a lot of other stuff like all MAL professionals. Sounds legit bro. I totally need to have a degree in psychology to know that this is bullshit |
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Link_of_Hyrule said: People fear of heights and try skydiving to overcome that fear.ssjokg said: She passes out at the sight of finger guns, but super-realistic virtual-reality guns? Those are fine. Truly tragic. Clearly you know all about PTSD, nausea and a lot of other stuff like all MAL professionals. Sounds legit bro. I totally need to have a degree in psychology to know that this is bullshit I guess that is just an urban legend. |
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| Disappointed, so slow pacing, hope it'll get better next ep |
ssjokg said: People fear of heights and try skydiving to overcome that fear.I guess that is just an urban legend.[/quote]This would be like someone going skydiving every single day, but then spazzing the fuck out if they are more than 5 feet off the ground. It makes no sense at all and I think you know that. |
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| Please,don't tell that friend of Shino is actually the Death Gun,he seemed such a nice guy.. |
LastChapter said: Splitter said: Just from the writing I was like "I'm going to guess that's the villain". Part of me was thinking though "no, they wouldn't be that blatant. I mean that would just be straight-up terrible writing." [spoiler]So it's like Scream? The whodunit reveal that every whodunit has used since Scream first came out? WHAT A TWEEST![spoiler] |
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Splitter said: Just from the writing I was like "I'm going to guess that's the villain". Part of me was thinking though "no, they wouldn't be that blatant. I mean that would just be straight-up terrible writing." You sure solved that mystery../sarc HATUL said: You know how in magical girl shows, when the magical girl fights a demon? Everybody else in the city either conveniently not around or just faints? Well, that's what happened here, in a show that tries very hard to take itself seriously. That is bad screenwriting.. Great point./sarc You really think that people would always try to be heroes for strangers right? Nice fantasy.Quite worse than Reki's writing. |
ssjokgJul 19, 2014 12:33 PM
Splitter said: Just from the writing I was like "I'm going to guess that's the villain". Part of me was thinking though "no, they wouldn't be that blatant. I mean that would just be straight-up terrible writing." |
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| That ep was so slow. Really makes me think they could stretch GGO to 16+ episodes. |
kashim_KunJul 19, 2014 12:43 PM
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Link_of_Hyrule said: This would be like someone going skydiving every single day, but then spazzing the fuck out if they are more than 5 feet off the ground. It makes no sense at all and I think you know that.[/quote]ssjokg said: People fear of heights and try skydiving to overcome that fear.I guess that is just an urban legend. Yes her case is worse but there is no reason to say that playing GGO is more illogical than skydiving. Kashim-kun said: If your afraid of guns IRL, you'd be afraid of them in game since its a VR you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Thats an error in the LN though, as the show is near word for word the books. It is called challenging your fears.I guess people jumping out of a plane when they fear of heights have some error in their heads. |
Kashim-kun said: That ep was so slow. Really makes me think they could stretch GGO to 16+ episodes. If your afraid of guns IRL, you'd be afraid of them in game since its a VR you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Thats an error in the LN though, as the show is near word for word the books. Onto the gun bit, people in Japan are very pacifist and anti-gun. Not like in America, Russia or even canada or europe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Japan has one of the lowest gun owner ship rates in the world. Now. What if you saw someone in the US or Europe cutting people apart with a sword. Just hacking away. Well this happened in Europe. That guy was cutting on that soldier and eventually just beheaded him right in the street. No one did a single thing. Just stared and took video. There were 2 grown ass people, and I think taking on a gun is much more easier than taking on a sword. Also real life has nothing to do with anime. It's like comparing Call of Duty to real life war. I'd like to see people do 360 no scopes. |
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kashim_KunJul 19, 2014 12:42 PM
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Unlucky-kat said: Splitter said: Just from the writing I was like "I'm going to guess that's the villain". Part of me was thinking though "no, they wouldn't be that blatant. I mean that would just be straight-up terrible writing." [spoiler]Well, I know he isn't because I read LastChapter's spoiler post and I feel that "two or more people are the killer" bit is overdone and a cop out", but that's not a fault of the series (especially since I don't know the details derp), just of the cliche. |
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ssjokg said: Link_of_Hyrule said: This would be like someone going skydiving every single day, but then spazzing the fuck out if they are more than 5 feet off the ground. It makes no sense at all and I think you know that.People fear of heights and try skydiving to overcome that fear. I guess that is just an urban legend. Yes her case is worse but there is no reason to say that playing GGO is more illogical than skydiving.[/quote] Shit, I have a fear if heights yet I climb sixty to eighty foot trees without any gear just so I can say I can do things even with this fear. Scary as hell but it can happen. Her fear of guns isn't well defined I'll say that much. Actually her change of personality in the game for me is like a coping mechanism. She tries to fight through her pain in ggo to overcome it in real life, but when push comes to shove she's still unable to face the reality that reality itself is nothing but a cruel game with permanent consequences. |
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| Awwwn, poor Shino friend that is in love. Haven't you watched SAO I? Shino will inevitably fall in love with our great Kirito... Why is she so tramatized? She achieved an headshot at that age. Nah, just kidding. She have a pretty dark past, but she didn't precised what happened to her mother. Did she abandonned her? Has she turned crazy after that event? We learned that desu gun is an edgy psychotic looking teen that wander around weird forum. Yeah, that's what I expected. Most importantly, when will Kirito go in the damn game?! Yeah, yeah, I know, next episode... sigh |
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Splitter said: Unlucky-kat said: [spoiler]Well, I know he isn't because I read LastChapter's spoiler post and I feel that "two or more people are the killer" bit is overdone and a cop out", but that's not a fault of the series (especially since I don't know the details derp), just of the cliche. The anime just made it predictable with all the hints and stroking stuff, it's different if you read the LN, Reki barely gave us any information regarding the death gun until later when digging deeper into Kirito's memories about his time at Aincard. |
| [quote=7thVoid[/quote] Shit, I have a fear if heights yet I climb sixty to eighty foot trees without any gear just so I can say I can do things even with this fear. Scary as hell but it can happen. Her fear of guns isn't well defined I'll say that much. Actually her change of personality in the game for me is like a coping mechanism. She tries to fight through her pain in ggo to overcome it in real life, but when push comes to shove she's still unable to face the reality that reality itself is nothing but a cruel game with permanent consequences.[/quote] That makes more sense and in a way rationalizes the whole thing. I retract part of my original statement. |
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| I don't know about you guys, but what shock me the most isn't Sinon's reaction to guns, or her flashback or whatever. It's the fact that they have a connection fee? And the way I understand it it's not a monthly subscription. If it's a F2P, okay. But I have my doubts on this one (And I hope they can play a set amount of time whitout paying extra fee in this case). Aaaaand, all items are reset if you go and play on another game, or mmo at least. That's... this world is a real rip-off haha. If I was Sinon, I would be traumatized by that. I may have misunderstood how it works though. |
| Nice episode overall!!! We got to learn a lot about sinon and learned what her motives are. Though I admit playing a gun game when your terrified of guns isn't exactly the best way to overcome your fear but thats just me nitpicking. The show will finally kick into full gear now that kirito is finally in GGO. |
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