Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Episode 9 Discussion

forgiuse said:
Yeah, i can't wait for Enrollment Arc X either !

Takuan_Soho said:


Wow, do you actually live here? I mean four minutes and you swoop into defend. That is pretty amazing.

As for my "prediction" already covered it nearly two weeks ago:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1185353 (4th post)

So, right church, wrong pew (bloomers instead of swimsuits).

As for this "prediction" all I did was to say what the preview showed us (a little action a lot of banquet), so it really isn't a prediction per se.

RexZShadow said:
I give you props for still trying Dragon o.o I give up like 5 ep ago, its not even anything new to refute anymore =X

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
I jumped in because i just came in and saw some dumb assumptions and nonsense again.

RexZShadow said:
I give you props for still trying Dragon o.o I give up like 5 ep ago, its not even anything new to refute anymore =X

wrenchbread said:

By that same token, we're running out of things to criticize. Sorry if we sound like broken records at this point, but the show just keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
You can just stop watching rather than being a broken record you know.......but some people won't be able to feel self-satisfaction unless you hate something others like.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Once you have the mentality that "This show will always make mistakes or will never be good" then you will never be able to say anything good about it...........that's how it goes for most of the people in MAL. They define a show from episode 1 and never change their opinion.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Even if the show does get better, you will still say the same lines, Takuan will still find something to nit-pick at and there will still be people counting "Onii-sama" rather than actually watching the show (in turn miss some simple points and ask questions later). I am 99.99% sure of that.............

AquaWateria said:
It's alright dude you just can't argue with some people. When they are given important information within the anime they instead twist it or just ignore it. Like when it was revealed about Tararus Sliver some people still identify the name to Tatsuya, when he's just sliver and the other guy is Taraus. Or about solving the flying magic over night. Sometimes you just got to ignore and just enjoy what you like, shit I'm enjoying Gintama right now.

wrenchbread said:

If you haven't noticed, I only ever post occasionally in the threads, answering simple questions. This show isn't worth the effort to write dissertations for and other people have already said everything I would've said.

wrenchbread said:

You're right, I can drop this, but I find this show utterly fascinating with how straight it plays everything. At least other shows have some sort of plausible deniability, but Mahouka is just plain bad and comes off as quite hilarious at points. There's something wrong when the viewer has to see it as a parody to get any sort of enjoyment out of it. Not very different from Guilty Crown.

wrenchbread said:

Are you from the future? Have you already seen the entire season of Mahouka? Are you a wizard?
We're basing our impressions on what we've been shown so far and what they've shown so far hasn't been very good, so what else do you expect us to say?

wrenchbread said:

You say better, but in what respect? Consider this: it's not like the show can retroactively change itself, right? So what's done badly stays bad unless they remake the whole thing. So us saying the "same lines" serves as a testament to how the anime studio never learned from its mistakes.

wrenchbread said:
And I said this before, the "onii-sama" counter is a testament to how awful Miyuki's character is portrayed. If we were just joking around with it, then you shouldn't put so much stock with it. The counter is a symptom of a bigger problem dealing with characterization. You should've realized this.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
You missed my point about people not noticing things even when they are presented. A very common example would be most people mixing up Tatsuya and Miyuki's Mother and Aunt in recent comments. Keep joking around but be careful so the joke doesn't turn on you.

Takuan_Soho said:


The ironic thing is that you are mocking me when I was defending the show, and that the mistake I made really had nothing to do with my point (and for what it is worth, I knew that was his aunt, just had "mother" stuck in my mind because I was thinking about why the father was the way he was).

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1190979&show=147

But hey, why actually understand what I wrote and respond to it when you can take something out of context to prove your point? Eh?

RexZShadow said:
Lol he wasn't even responding to you and simply making a point. Your not the only person who make that mistake or have the misunderstanding.

Takuan_Soho said:


In that he was the one who "corrected" me, I would laid good odds that he was talking about me. He certainly wasn't speaking about the person he was responding to. In that there are so few of us here, who else was he talking about?

Besides, his point is still invalid. To date, in the animation, it makes absolutely no difference if the character is a mother or aunt. Why should it be "humorous" to use his word that people make that mistake when it has so little value to the animation? We haven't been told their mother is dead either (at least I don't believe so), and given how the Father has been shown, why should anyone think that the mother, if alive, would be much different?

The only reason she has been dropped in has been as fanservice (something for the readers), not as plot development (until this episode, barely).

Takuan_Soho said:


The ironic thing is that you are mocking me when I was defending the show, and that the mistake I made really had nothing to do with my point (and for what it is worth, I knew that was his aunt, just had "mother" stuck in my mind because I was thinking about why the father was the way he was).

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1190979&show=147

But hey, why actually understand what I wrote and respond to it when you can take something out of context to prove your point? Eh?

keragamming said:
Nine episode in, still not impress, I personally enjoy sao way more, even the romance in this sucks. -_-

Hopefully it gets better in future episodes. I'm not hater. :P

MShukyDeneuve said:

Next episode we will still not get to the competition considering the pace, though. Even if we get into the competition, that's still not Tatsuya's show. 3-4 episode more for Tatsuya's time. Is that spoiler?

Honestly it's just plain that nothing need to be commented at all. waiting for next episode.

AquaWateria said:


The thing about this arc is that it lets other characters have a chance to shine other than Tatsuya, which I think is a plus. Though mind you Tatsuya is one of my favorite characters, but it's still nice to let other characters have a chance.

keragamming said:
To be honest, I personally don't think light novel should have a action genre, I personally think light novels should be strictly comedy and romance. Only a few light novel series that I have watch and they were very good. Light novels are full of too much heavy dialogue, that when animated, it bores the shit out of the audience.

That's why when a anime is adopted from light novels, I come in to the anime with low expectation.

EasyGo-er said:
@nina4life Things about Tatsuya's circumstances in the clan and everything about the clan itself were only focused starting from Vol 8 onwards, being one of the driving force in plot up to the latest volume. I know how you feel, but said things will only be covered later which is surely not in this season. I suggest you to read the LN, look things up in the wikia or just be patient about it.

L-Ryoshi said:
Can someone please explain to me what the purpose of animating this show was again?

L-Ryoshi said:


Are you telling us that anime-only viewers will still be confused as fuck if they don't read the LN or the spoilers off the forums of MAL, even after the end of this show? So we're suppose to be patient until a season 2 comes out?

Can someone please explain to me what the purpose of animating this show was again?

EasyGo-er said:

Please stop taking my sentences out of context. I was saying that the stuff about his clan and other clans will only be focused upon after the first season since nina4life was complaining about Tatsuya's clan. You will understand everything, or at least get the gist of it all by the end of the season, if you're really watching the show to understand it instead of watching just for the sake of it.


Mainly to make money of course, the novel was the 3rd highest selling LN just below SAO and Mekakucity Actors in 2013 after all.

L-Ryoshi said:


See what you did there? I quoted your post in its entirety and get called out for taking your sentences out of context?

I'll repeat my questions, since apparently you didn't really answer them. I'll even quote my own words:

1.) Are you telling us that anime-only viewers will still be confused as fuck if they don't read the LN or the spoilers off the forums of MAL, even after the end of this show?

Let me elaborate. Since you mentioned that the stuff about his and other clans seems to be a big part of Mahouka's world-building, and essentially since all the spoilers I've seen are mainly focused either on the "power of the clans" or "why Tatsuya is OP" which essentially has to do with his situation in the clan, does that mean that, if what you speculated as things that "will only be focused upon after the first season", does that mean that anime-only viewers, and I repeat anime-only viewers who do not read spoilers on MAL/other forums/etc. NOR the Light Novels, will be confused as fuck?

2.) So we're suppose to be patient until a season 2 comes out?

Essentially a follow up question to the first part, but yes, are we suppose to be patient until a second season is announced, produced, AND comes out before anime-only viewers will actually get what the story is about?

3.) Can someone please explain to me what the purpose of animating this show was again?

A bit of a rhetorical question depending on whether you can answer the first two questions.

Seeing as we've had so many complaints about missing stuff and clues given that don't make sense, I patiently await your answer.

EasyGo-er said:
1) No, like I've said, there will be hints thrown here and there throughout the series so you'll at least get the gist of it by the end of the season. That is if you're really spending your time watching the show and understanding it instead of just watching it so you can say "I've watched this, it was bad and confusing as fuck". I'm just saying that it will be focused more as the series goes on, not that it is necessary to understand the whole premise of the series.

2) No, what part of the story that you didn't get? The title is "The irregular at magic high school", if you're reading the synopsis on MAL page, it's about the lives of the siblings and the events that happens during their school year, it can be anything depending on where the plot goes. Just don't expect the story to conclude in this season, hell SnK ended on such a huge cliffhanger so tell me what you think of it.

3) I can agree about the missing stuff and that is understandable given that this is an adaptation from a LN but it won't affect the storyline in any way. That's just LN readers wanting everything to be perfectly the same as in the novel. Tell me what clues that didn't make sense and I will try to answer you as best as I can.

AquaWateria said:


L Ryoshi things will be cleared up about Tatsuya in vol 5 if MadHouse animates that section which I believe they will with the pace there going at. And about the the clan everything won't be revealed in one go if that's what your looking for. Look at Log Horizon the whole season barely revealed the plot only by the end did we get a glimpse of it, but I wasn't confused or anything. But ideally is up to you to believe what you want and not for me to judge, after all this is a free forum discussion. In the end though it's how MadHouse animates the whole thing so I'll wait till then.

L-Ryoshi said:


Truth be told, I'm only asking to be fair to those anime-only viewers. I've already read enough spoilers and sufficient parts of the LN and the manga to understand whats going on. I ain't trolling, mind you. But at present a lot of the issues that I have seen being argued here on the forums all stem from anime only viewers not getting your so-called "hints" and then complaining that all they see is that Tatsuya is way too OP and then saying it's unreasonable, and then LN fans going all "but that's because its in the LN" or "this monologue was cut out, so IF it was kept in, then you'd understand". Ideally, we'd get scenes where Tatsuya's epic monologues (as has been described) are voiced in the anime whilst he's doing something else, but the deal is, they haven't, and from a objective anime-only viewing perspective, the clues to this world, the world building and the background story however intriguing it may be, has not been sufficiently explained to viewers with little or no knowledge of the plot beforehand.

LN readers here have all complained in one episode or other that the animators should have kept this and that, or should have cut that out since it does nothing to help with the story, we've read 9 episodes worth of threads on that stuff already.

Like I said, I ain't trolling or trying to rile you up, I'm just trying to be fair here with a more objective perspective.



Acqua, the thing with Log Horizon is, yes we don't have the entire plot on our hands, but in a sense the plot isn't mutually exclusive with world building now is it? In the first season of Log Horizon, we at least have under our belts how the world ticks (like an MMORPG, with no kill zones and all that jazz), AND what seems to be the one big issue that all the Adventurers are facing (that they're all stuck there and need to find solutions on how to deal with political, economic, organisational and even basic survival issues).

Can we truly say the same for Mahouka? The 10 clans, the Thousand Families, all of those things are a part of the world of Mahouka, and all of those are necessary to explain the events which have occured in the first arc, are occuring in the current arc, and will occur in the third arc.

Is it really alright to say "oh yeah, just ignore the inconsistencies, they'll be explained (hopefully) if MadHouse decides to animate Volume 5 during this season"? As someone who has read the LN or spoilers, you may have all the answers, but for those out there who haven't and refuse to do so, are they suppose to just unquestioningly accept any and all inconsistencies which appear in the show? Simple questions of "why did the government not interfere with the terrorist attack in episodes 6-7?" "why wasn't Mibu suspended after playing her part in the attack?" and "how did they manage to cover up all that from the world/their government?" all have answers to do with the power of those clans, and yet were not properly explained in the anime either. Are we suppose to just accept those inconsistencies and move on?

I'm not saying you need to make the big reveal from scene 1 act 1, far from it, but at least you could have swapped things around instead of blatantly using the LN as a direct script (and even cutting out important monologues and such due to time constraints). LN readers have been making suggestions (add a line here to explain whatever better, swapped this scene around, made that explanation longer etc.) about how to improve the flow and help viewers to understand the series better.

Even in this episode I could see that if they'd expanded Tatsuya's inner monologue when he was walking away from his dad to more than just one lame sentence (which by the way seriously should have implied that he is "Unable" to feel hatred for his mother, instead of just "doesn't" feel hatred for his mother), it would have already fulfilled the criteria for a minor reveal of things to come. Instead, the one lame sentence, even if understood correctly just means that "oh wow, he doesn't hate his mom". See what I mean?

I said this last week, I'll say it again. An good anime adaptation is suppose to enable watchers to understand the world properly without having to consult external sources (LN and forums).

For this particular title, for the last 9 episodes, has been weak at doing so. Based solely on the anime, we have a weirdly OP student rated as a second-class magician, who has an extraordinary intellect AND the ability to subdue first-class magicians without even breaking a sweat, deal with terrorists like it was a stroll in the park, and has major connections to military, has the respect and vouching of successors to the 10 clans, and still can't catch a break from being discriminated for all the work he puts in?
You would think that in a school of 600 magicians, there'd at least more than just 5% of the entire student body who could put 2 and 2 together and figure out that he's a bit special somehow, right? He hangs out with the most important people in the student council, was appointed to the disciplinary committee, they even saw him in action during recruitment week for god sake, and yet still has about 95% of the first-class student body questioning his right to be there? Um, are most First High students so dumb that they can't take even the slightest of hints?

The stupidity, willful ignorance of nearly the entire student body just doesn't make sense here. It would have if MadHouse had done a better job in adapting the anime, but they didn't. So in the end whats left is a seriously hyped up anime with a relatively weak adaptation and poor scripting which is confusing for first time Mahouka viewers, plus a lot of grief in the forums from both LN readers AND anime-only watchers (as we have seen for the past 9 weeks).

AquaWateria said:

I agree on what your saying and that the anime does have some flaws but the thing is some viewers don't look into the context that are given to them, the anime shows us rather than tell us in some of the respective scenes. Like the little flashback in ep 9 that showed Tatsuya being experimented on at a young age, gives us a bit of information on how he might of became irregular which is the title of the series. I also understand that the line he said about he can't hate his mother could of been better, but still it gave us the information that we need about Tatsuya not having the capacity to express a lot of emotions. There was another scene where he told Miyuki that she could bare his emotions which he lacked. There may be parts where it seems confusing, but if you look at the contexts that are given things add up a bit where you can piece it together. All in all I don't think that this adaption is the best, but I think it's really enjoyable and it's up to the viewers whether to see the contexts that is given to us. In the end though there are always going to be arguments and we just have to accept that.

Even in this episode I could see that if they'd expanded Tatsuya's inner monologue when he was walking away from his dad to more than just one lame sentence (which by the way seriously should have implied that he is "Unable" to feel hatred for his mother, instead of just "doesn't" feel hatred for his mother), it would have already fulfilled the criteria for a minor reveal of things to come. Instead, the one lame sentence, even if understood correctly just means that "oh wow, he doesn't hate his mom". See what I mean?

Vocah said:

Sorry, but what translation did you read? I only watched Horriblesubs (ergo the official version) and it's clearly stated, that he "doesn't have a heart capable of hatred".
How can anyone NOT get that he is unable to feel hatred, which you said should be implied (which it is since "not capable"="unable")

wrenchbread said:


I think my question after he said that was, "In what context?" This can be taken in a few ways. Does Tatsuya mean he doesn't get angry at such things? Is he emotionally dead inside? Is he at a point where nothing can phase him?

It's unnecessarily vague. He's been experimented on but we dunno the details to decide if those two things are connected.

wrenchbread said:
I think my question after he said that was, "In what context?" This can be taken in a few ways. Does Tatsuya mean he doesn't get angry at such things? Is he emotionally dead inside? Is he at a point where nothing can phase him?

It's unnecessarily vague. He's been experimented on but we dunno the details to decide if those two things are connected.

Takuan_Soho said:
We get a completely subservient salaryman who, had he lowered his head any further could have seen disneyworld. Why should any viewer think "wow they are a team", when shown that? Had the designer been an equal, or had any real characterization, then the point of "they are a team" might have some relevance, but instead why should we think that the other member is anything more than just a name. That scene definitely didn't support it.

The readers know so they can get excited, but the viewers? Really not much there.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Wow just wow way to see a scene and describe it so that it fits your own agenda. Except for the fact that, Tatsuya showed considerable amount of humility and respect towards the "so called salaryman" and they also think on the same page when discussing about improving the flight magic (anime). I really get dumbstruck at your mistaken assumptions sometimes. Besides you or wrenchbread aren't the only viewers here or are you? You accuse of the LN readers being smug about it while you have averted your eyes from the very fact simply because "you didn't feel so". Just great man, just great. There goes whatever respect i had for you down the gutter.

Ultimately you have a complex towards Mahouka where any scene won't be able to make any impact for you what-so-ever..........congrats dude. I really can't blame you, many suffer from the same disease for a anime they don't get to like from episode 1 or even the first 5 minutes.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Ultimately you have a complex towards Mahouka where any scene won't be able to make any impact for you what-so-ever..........congrats dude. I really can't blame you, many suffer from the same disease for a anime they don't get to like from episode 1 or even the first 5 minutes.

Takuan_Soho said:

Good scenes deserve compliments, bad scenes deserve criticism, that is all I do. Butler scene good, someone knocks it, I wrote a post defending it. I don't like a scene, I explain what I don't like about it.

wrenchbread said:
Well said. Sadly people tend to overlook the good scenes and focus on the bad ones. It's human nature.