The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
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Sapewloth said: On a more serious note, I'm not at all buying into the show's philosophy nor the message it seems to be sending through Tastuya's views of the discrimination occuring at school. The representation of the anti-discrimination movement is kinda biased : Mibu was chosen as a recruiter for the group and as if by magic is perfectly capable of formulating clear arguments regarding the measures the group plans on taking or what she would do. The fact that the group is actually a terrorist organization doesn't help, I guess. Also, absolving the school of all responsability for its students disregarding the laws it established (Tastu's line about not blame the school for the puerility of the students) is also pretty fucked up, tbh. Ain't that their job to provide the students a safe environment for them to study. Miyuki insinuating the students that locked themselves up in order to request negociations don't know what the want to change comes off as pretty thoughtless too : why would they ask for negociations if they had no requests to begin with ? Mayumi's speech didn't seem that inspirational to me, either. I don't know if you're supposed to be buying anything, much less a political philosophy, from this show. I love the LNs to death but I'll be the first to tell you that some of its themes are downright illogical. The whole point of this arc was to introduce Tatsuya and his sister as well as the world they live with its discrimination and anti-magic factions. It's unfortunate Mibu ended up the pawn of other more insidious forces but it doesn't wipe away the fact that some of her points were right. So were some of Tatsuyas. What you're supposed to see in this arc, I think, is Tatsuya's lack of sympathy and his coldness to things that don't affect him or his sister personally. I've already said that Mayumi's speech was like a politician's, meant to quell the flames of dissatisfaction before they blow up. The Course 2 students know and are able to recognize what is wrong with their system. They're however incapable of articulating the solutions they'd find palatable in a credible manner. Hence, they're easily taken by Mayumi's sweet sounding words that would probably not solve the problem in the long run. |
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| Great ep, finally something happen.. looks like the mom is involve with incest party too :D just curious why there's too much alts in this series discussion.. |
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Sapewloth said: On a more serious note, I'm not at all buying into the show's philosophy nor the message it seems to be sending through Tastuya's views of the discrimination occuring at school. The representation of the anti-discrimination movement is kinda biased : Mibu was chosen as a recruiter for the group and as if by magic she's perfectly incapable of formulating clear arguments regarding the measures the group plans on taking or what she would do to reform the current system. The fact that the group is actually a terrorist organization doesn't help, I guess. Also Tastuya seemingly maintaining the statu quo simply because he doesn't except anything from this educational system and it doesn't directly conflicts with his own objectives rubbed me the wrong way. Absolving the school of all responsability for its students disregarding the laws it established (Tastu's line about not blame the school for the puerility of the students) is also pretty fucked up, tbh. Ain't that their job to provide the students a safe environment for them to study? Finally, Miyuki insinuating the students that locked themselves up in order to request negociations don't know what the want to change comes off as pretty thoughtless too : why would they ask for negociations if they had no requests to begin with ? Mayumi's speech didn't seem that inspirational to me, either. Well, this series is well known for promoting nationalist right-wing philosophy. For example, most socialist movements inside the series are mainly portrayed as being manipulated by foreign forces, notably China, which have the goal to undermine Japan. The main characters are mainly working to protect their country. As you will see, the theme "protect Japan against China" will be a recurrent theme. Equality and stuffs like human rights are mostly brushed off because national security and military might trumps everything. After all, they pretty much live in an era with extremely high regional tension. The main characters are more or less very nationalists, especially Tatsuya. Given that there is some truth in it but it is vastly exaggerated. Then again, it's fiction and it simply reflects the author's opinion. It does not diminish the enojyment of the other aspects of this series. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
millie10468 said: snip What I mean by philosophy is what I got from that episode and the last minutes of the previous one : namely the protag's stance on those standing against the inequalities caused by magic, who supposedly refuse to recognize that magic wielders on top of being naturally talented had to work hard to get where they are, 'because it's not convenient' for them to do so. That and Tastu insinuating the anti-d. movement is simply blaming the system for their own failures. Like it or not, these words come from the mouth of Tatsuya and when constantly proven right throughout the show (the anti d being basically a terrorist group enrolling pawns, even though the complaints raised were legitimate), you can't just brush it away or ignore it: there's clearly an underlying theme here as well as opinions expressed through the MC regarding said theme, and afaic they're not really healthy. Aside from that I perfectly got the point of this first arc (introducing Tastu and his sis as well as letting us know a bit about his motivations), and tbh I didn't read all posts so it's no surprise yours about Mayumi went unnoticed. I do realize that Mayumi's speech was meant to contain a possible uproar; doesn't change the fact that, even imagining myself in the shoes of a clueless Weed nothing she said seems remotely promising: every proposition was extremely vague and she didn't actually concede any point to the other party. But I guess as a teenager you might be more easily swayed, I'll give you that. wakka9ca said: snip Thanks for the info: I really didn't know. China being the bad guys and oppressing the Japanese this time? Lol, that shall be fun to watch. |
SapewlothMay 4, 2014 12:44 PM
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SayonaraSelena said: I don't know how people still like this anime...... This episode is still bullshit.... Sayonara, Selena |
Sapewloth said: wakka9ca said: snip Thanks for the info: I really didn't know. China being the bad guys and oppressing the Japanese this time? Lol, that shall be fun to watch. Well China is not oppressing Japan because Japan in this world is pretty much a super power in terms of magic. Most of the time you will see inferior Chinese military getting curb-stomped by the glorious Japan. It's in fact quite entertaining to watch, but maybe not for the reason you are thinking of :) |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| another boring episode and more stupid explaining about crap nobody cares about When anime tries to scientifically explain stuff XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU4_g2pR7W4&t=0m23s |
| well then that was quite the cliff hanger at the end there. |
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| Seems like it's finally picking up. |
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| Hopefully shit picks up with the terrorist attack next episode. After the duel, this anime really lost my interest. All that caste system drama bullshit is not exciting or meaningful at all. |
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| anime can not be as detailed as LN and manga, but has an excellent adaptation always like to see the jealous expressions of Miyuki at least in this episode Tatsuya not won more hearts as in other and now with the invasion good fights will happen may be that this arc has finished in the next episode ___________ o anime não consegue ser detalhista como a LN e o mangá, mas tem uma excelente adaptação sempre gosto de ver as expressões ciumentas de Miyuki pelo menos neste episodio Tatsuya não conquistou mais corações como nos outros e agora com a invasão boas lutas irão acontecer pode ser que este arco já termine no proximo episodio |
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Marzan said: Gas bombs and machine guns in school assembly?!! This series is so magnificently bad that I cannot help but keep on watching. It's like a Chuck Norris film. Actually Tatsuya is very much like anime's answer to Chuck Norris. He is that awesome. Before the series ends, he will have gotten someone pregnant (man or woman, it doesn't matter to him) by sheer thought alone. I think a Chuck Norris movie might even be better.A Chuck Norris movie would've laid a bit more ground-work before suddenly appearing at a high school with gas grenades, terrorists clad with gas masks and fully automatic SMG's, RPG's and randomly shooting what looks to be the school buildings. But at least they got the cheesiness of an action movie like Delta Force down. Maybe he'll run down the aisles on a magical motorcycle with missiles attached to the handlebars. The pacing and storyboarding- trying to jump between sentimental speech and leading up to the attack was confusing. I would've put more frames on the speakers debating rather than panning shots on the student body in their seats and the discipline committee making small-talk on the side. They put way too much fighting into those last 2 minutes with not enough buildup. Placing the bombs- or make taking out a sentry or innocent student as they got into position, maybe show some guys readying their weapons or stacking by the builidngs or shooting the gas in the windows with screams following afterwards.... everything was just way too surreal. When they started attacking after the bombs went off, then the gas, then the guys with smgs, and then ak-47's and then the RPG's I was like, "WTTTFFF is this??" I think they would've been better off ending the episode with the President's speech, emphasizing how with her amazing charisma and sweet and sincere personality, convinced most of the course 2 student body that she was on their side. Maybe throw in the last bomb as a cliff hangar. You know they're gonna show those last 2 minutes of action sequence in the next episode as a refresh anyways- so might as well just avoid trying to squeeze so much into those last 2 minutes. My gawd- it was like Delta Force all over again but with no buildup lol. Just random action and random terrorist 1 through 10. |
| Finally shit got real. Hope to see some heavy scenes next week. |
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| Oh yes, Tatsuya's inner thoughts! Where have you been all this time, brother? They cut some of the interesting parts from the LN, mainly in the conversation with Kokonoe. Although I supposed it's not really important at the moment. The explanation regarding Tatsuya's magic would be confusing to see in the first time. I think non-LN readers should see it again to understand what they're talking about. Tatsuya can be quite evil eh... never thought about that.. Next episode would be fully packed with the fights. Can't wait to see |
| I am interested in Mizuki so far, I hope she has a split personality/ secret. I liked the president's speech. The imouto is starting to annoy me, greatly. |
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| Damn this show is so good, can't wait for the Blanche leader to make his debut, he sorta looks like Suzaku from Code Geass. Also, his |
| Finally a somewhat exciting episode. Towards the end at least. If it focused less on the student council bullshit and more on interesting things, this could be a passable show. |
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| Good episode. Tatsuya was so straightforward. Although this anime lacks his internal thoughts and monologues but this episode was an improvement towards this aspect. I liked the tension this episode had build up with the lovely info-dumping from last episode. The flashback had his aunt? I thought she was Tatsuya's mother though it could be because I haven't read much of the LN. Shit's gonna get real next episode. These terrorists with guns and bang with those explosions! Fuck yeah finally some real action we will get to see. I can't wait to see Tatsuya annihilating his enemies + Erika taking the spotlight. |
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| This show would be much more enjoyable for me if Miyuki would just go away. |
| RPG? SMG? Smoke gas? Bomb? WTF! Lololololol this shit is cartoonish> might as well put sailor moon into the mix. Well i have a bit of fun in this ep because of that, i can't believe this but i can't wait for the next ep lol. |
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| Which genius had the idea of separating course 1 and course 2 in the first place? The chairman said there's no discrimination but the treatment and facilities received are so obviously different, from the lack of instructors to club budgets. The chairman used a successful non-magic club as an example but from the course 2 students' complain I got the feeling that if the non-magic clubs don't perform they'll get tiny budget while magic clubs with no achievements will still get a huge budget comparable to the successful ones. This series is also trying to hard to make Tatsuya look like the underdog while we all know he's so OP he can defeat even the most powerful magicians. Tatsuya talking about being incompetent and unskilled was just.. ugghh.. I was like "when??". And Miyuki, ENOUGH OF YOUR YANDERE CRAP!!! Is it really necessary to show her brother complex every episode? |
MoeGodMay 4, 2014 5:40 AM
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| Could it be that they made Tatsuya much more emotional than in the manga? I forgot if it was already mentioned in the anime but |
| A few nice words and good looks are enough to prove there's no discrimination even though show has shown on many occassions in previous episodes there's obvious separation between 2 and even hatred. Either show did poor job showing there is no hate or those words are BS. I'll give this show commendation on one thing, it's real. A few good words from well-mannered and well dressed politicians are enough to persuade people they're seeing things where there are none. Also: "There are some problems but I am going to try my best to fix them". Nice words coming from chairman. Of course she'd say that, discrimination or not. Did they expect her to call weeds inferior? I've been on many debates, sometimes protecting points I don't even believe are correct so even though this is just anime this was horrible example of a debate. Even if whole point was to gather everyone in one room what did they expect to accomplish by turning everyone AGAINST them. A simple idea here, prepare attack, gather people capable of making argument and THEN start the riot. Not only do you present your case but you also have opportunity to get some followers and potential allies when fight starts. It's one thing being stupid but those Blance people have done everything in their power to make sure people don't join them. Anime, sci-fi, fantasy, call it whatever, that plan made no sense whatsoever. To me this was by far worst episode so far. I had hopes Blanche group would be capable antagonist. Turns out I was wrong and they're complete idiots lacking any common sense. So now I am stuck with MC suffering from apathy, board composed entirely of privileged, people swayed by few nice words and incompetent opposition....damn, just like real world... |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: - No even if you get the feeling, that isn't the case. Tatsuya's conversation with Mibu already showed this. Except for the teacher situation (there are a lack of teachers as magicians mostly join the military), the school doesn't discriminate as there are all allowed the same facilities. Then why even brought up the club budget argument? the difference was probably apparent in the kind of things they can or can't afford. The chairman used a successful club as an example but what about the non-successful ones? the course 2 students didn't even address this and simply accept what the chairman said as the truth. For people who demanded change they have very feeble arguments.. they could at least demand to look at the accounting records or something. Dragon_Slayer_X said: - He can't use magic normally and he really is a defective magician. But he has his own way of overcoming these, as you will see throughout this series. This is what I don't get. What does it mean by using magic "normally"? isn't magic just.. magic? there are probably different types of it but it's not like you need to master all types do you? isn't Tatsuya's ability to cancel a magic sequence also considered magic? There's also this part that I read from the wiki Even if you say he can't use proper magic (whatever that is), he's still able to use such powerful magic as shown in the first episode (creating large explosion). |
MoeGodMay 4, 2014 6:25 AM
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jiraiya_sensei said: This is what I don't get. What does it mean by using magic "normally"? isn't magic just.. magic? there are probably different types of it but it's not like you need to master all types do you? isn't Tatsuya's ability to cancel a magic sequence also considered magic? There's also this part that I read from the wiki Even if you say he can't use proper magic (whatever that is), he's still able to use such powerful magic as shown in the first episode (creating large explosion). |
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Myklen said: Lol, people who don't like it, when they talk a little bit, stick to naruto, and dora the explorer. It doesnt always has to be action all the time. Its interesting and a litte bit deeper than your favorite generic anime and can seem a little bit difficult to understand, for people who only watch mainstream animes, I understand. People who don't understand the magic system, didn't watch the special episodes or are just quite dumb.. Well, nice ep :D Or maybe they've done a shit job in the explanation |
jiraiya_sensei said: alcrowry said: |
| It was a good episode, but how long are they going to give parts to the enrollment ? |
A7MAD111 said: It was a good episode, but how long are they going to give parts to the enrollment ? At least 6 episodes in total, at most 7, IMO. |
| set up episode for next week pretty good overall |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Alcowry's explanation makes more sense. Well this is gonna veer off-topic a little bit but So yeah.. calling Tatsuya powerful wouldn't be overestimating at all although like you said, he may just be a special case. |
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| i like how we got to see other people fighting in this episode! I hope there's more of that next week, too. |
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| When the episode finally got interesting, it was already the end. I hate it when they do this shit. lol Needless to say, I can't wait for the next episode to see what happens after the terrorist attack and how much damage it creates. |
Takuan_Soho said: This is a bit off topic, and the answer to my question should be a spoiler (so please tag). From the conversation in episode 4 it sounded as if no one really understands how magic works, they can use it, but like electricity, they don't have a complete understanding of the theory behind it. According to the current "standard model of magical theory", while Tatsuya has strength now he is at his limit at what he can do, his accepting this is what drove him to study alternative magic such as ninjitsu. So as a high school student he is powerful, but because everyone thinks he is at his limit they don't want to waste scarce teaching resources on him. This is why he is a weed. In other words, he is like a star high school basketball player who stops growing at six feet. Great at the beginning of high school, will be surpassed in college through no fault of his own, so of course the coach will focus on the player with talent still growing. However, due to his being outlier and alternative training, has given Tatsuya a hint that the "standard model" is wrong, and that he is on to a truer understanding of magic, which if he is successful, would allow him to become much more powerful. Is this basically true or not? |
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