The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
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Aug 2, 2014 7:23 AM
#151
darkreaperix said: Tatsuya not also being a pathetic,weak MC is a plus But Tatsuya being lame Gary Stu wish fulfillment is a minus. :P |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Aug 2, 2014 7:35 AM
#152
That's your opinion not mine,I think he is better written than all the blushing,pathetic, weak,brainless, gets saved by female MC more than you count,perverted MC's that is popular nowadays.But that's a difference in taste,and I still don't think he is wish fulfillment in terms of he doesn't get into ecchi situations with the girls,he will probably not get the girl in the end,and he is a lobotomized magician weapon that is regarded as a tool but both his clan and military commanders,so yeah I don't want to be him. edit and he has a a Batman costume,what's to hate :) [spoiler] |
darkreaperixAug 2, 2014 7:47 AM
Aug 2, 2014 8:59 AM
#153
Rip-off?? |
Aug 2, 2014 9:42 AM
#154
darkreaperix said: That's your opinion not mine,I think he is better written than all the blushing,pathetic, weak,brainless, gets saved by female MC more than you count,perverted MC's that is popular nowadays. Why do you always use this straw man argument? There's a broad spectrum of protagonists out there. It's not either-or. |
Aug 2, 2014 9:47 AM
#155
wrenchbread said: That's actually what I was about to say. You've got everything in terms of male protagonists out there and it's your own fault for not finding anything worth mentionning other than an impossibly OP and chick-magnetic know-it-all Gary Stu MC.darkreaperix said: That's your opinion not mine,I think he is better written than all the blushing,pathetic, weak,brainless, gets saved by female MC more than you count,perverted MC's that is popular nowadays. Why do you always use this straw man argument? There's a broad spectrum of protagonists out there. It's not either-or. Also how does getting saved by a female MC degrades a male MC exactly? Godammit, sexism everywhere. No wonder you like this show so much. |
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Aug 2, 2014 11:04 AM
#156
Sight...@ Sapewloth and wrenchbread I know and that's what I like about Tatsuya.And I don't think he is a poorly written character (but you will still insist he is a Stu because both of your opinions are always correct,right,like your both the authority regarding MC's?).Did I have to always include the words in "my opinion" he is not a poorly written character( "I think" should be sufficient that it was in my opinion right?)?But you both will still counter it blah2.Not liking a way a character is written is not poor writing,did I say that pathetic MC's are poorly written?I only typed that "I think he is better written". @ wrenchbread said straw man argument usually refers to LN adapted MC's,I don't hate it much sometimes it frustrating,but newer LN's now are going for a different path,MC's are shown to be strong to the point of being OP,in flashbacks or from the people that knows them personally years back,but are nerfed to oblivion in the present day due to various reasons until they reach their former a little strength (Blade dance would be a good example).Which I think is a good thing,OP or formerly OP MC's are better than the popular weak MC in my opinion. @ Sapewloth about sexist thing,did I say that?Did I say it degrades a male MC?For me it's more in the frustrating kind of way,that male MC's now (mostly adapted from LN's) doesn't deserve to be MC's.And I find it funny that you find this series sexist?Males and Females are equal both in strength,authority,power.No one needs to save this female character or that male character from this threat or that.No gender is being stepped on.Are you really paying attention in watching the series?Do I have to ask?Because I don't think you are. And enough with treating me like an anime newbie,I've been watching anime since the very early 90's because my country always had anime on local TV and they didn't censor out bloody fights and edited out disturbing scenes (but they did goof up on Ranma 1/2 when they didn't edited out a bare breast scene which prompted for the show sadly to be axed the next day) :) |
Aug 2, 2014 12:35 PM
#157
darkreaperix said: @ Sapewloth about sexist thing,did I say that?Did I say it degrades a male MC?For me it's more in the frustrating kind of way,that male MC's now (mostly adapted from LN's) doesn't deserve to be MC's.And I find it funny that you find this series sexist?Males and Females are equal both in strength,authority,power.No one needs to save this female character or that male character from this threat or that.No gender is being stepped on.Are you really paying attention in watching the series?Do I have to ask?Because I don't think you are. Your previous post was pretty much listing traits you considered negative about other MCs and gave me no reason to think an MC that I quote "gets saved by female MC more than you count" is positive in any way. Yes I am actually paying attention to the series, and I wouldn't complain about sexism if I weren't. I couldn't care less about power levels, when the characterization is the main problem. Shows like Dragon Ball or HxH have hardly any female fighters and yet I can say without hesitation that in the course of their hundred-something episodes they've done a way better job than Mahouka in terms of female chars. Cause when you got: - the second protagonist that after 17 or so episodes still is nothing but a foil for her amazing brother (and an onii-sama spamming machine, with that); -Mizuki that pretty much gets shamed for her boobs by Miyuki for absolutely no reason and is being told by Mikihiko that he would've "seazed her for himself" had they met a few years earlier (what the fuck is that supposed to mean, srsly?); -all the girls in the 9SC besides Mayumi who get their CAD tuned by Tatsu and win not by themselves but thanks to his ridiculous skills (that actually surpass even Mayumi's natural talents), including Honoka who's actually proud and moved to tears that she won thanks to Tatsu's dirty tricks; -Tatsuya that has no problem challenging and talking down his female senpais (Mari, Mayumi) or superiors/adults (Ono, whom he body-shames the very first time they meet when he tells her she's showing too much skin) every chance he gets but somehow always bends the knee before manly macho man Jûmonjii or other male authority figures; -A male exclusive competition that involves strategy, magic skills and teamwork, and a female exclusive competition that involves cosplay, make-up and color-bubbles bursting... ETC. (note the et cetera, cause that's far from being an exhaustive list) Then yep, I'm pretty sure I've got every possible reason to call the show sexist. |
SapewlothAug 2, 2014 12:46 PM
Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Aug 2, 2014 12:44 PM
#158
darkreaperix said: Sight...@ Sapewloth and wrenchbread I know and that's what I like about Tatsuya.And I don't think he is a poorly written character (but you will still insist he is a Stu because both of your opinions are always correct,right,like your both the authority regarding MC's?).Did I have to always include the words in "my opinion" he is not a poorly written character( "I think" should be sufficient that it was in my opinion right?)?But you both will still counter it blah2.Not liking a way a character is written is not poor writing,did I say that pathetic MC's are poorly written?I only typed that "I think he is better written". The fact, that Orimura Ichika is badly developed character, doesn't make Tatsuya well developed one. Your logic is a bit twisted. @ wrenchbread said straw man argument usually refers to LN adapted MC's,I don't hate it much sometimes it frustrating,but newer LN's now are going for a different path,MC's are shown to be strong to the point of being OP,in flashbacks or from the people that knows them personally years back,but are nerfed to oblivion in the present day due to various reasons until they reach their former a little strength (Blade dance would be a good example).Which I think is a good thing,OP or formerly OP MC's are better than the popular weak MC in my opinion. But Tatsuya is not formerly OP character, who has been nerfed. He lost nothing. At the point where anime/manga/novel starts, he is already probably world's strongest magician, most advanced genius engineer and very skilled HtH combatant with no weaknesses. And enough with treating me like an anime newbie,I've been watching anime since the very early 90's because my country always had anime on local TV and they didn't censor out bloody fights and edited out disturbing scenes (but they did goof up on Ranma 1/2 when they didn't edited out a bare breast scene which prompted for the show sadly to be axed the next day) :) If you don't want to be treated like a newbie, why are recalling only one type of characters all the time? Did you watch only typical harem animes? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Aug 2, 2014 12:52 PM
#159
jakkubus said: darkreaperix said: Sight...@ Sapewloth and wrenchbread I know and that's what I like about Tatsuya.And I don't think he is a poorly written character (but you will still insist he is a Stu because both of your opinions are always correct,right,like your both the authority regarding MC's?).Did I have to always include the words in "my opinion" he is not a poorly written character( "I think" should be sufficient that it was in my opinion right?)?But you both will still counter it blah2.Not liking a way a character is written is not poor writing,did I say that pathetic MC's are poorly written?I only typed that "I think he is better written". The fact, that Orimura Ichika is badly developed character, doesn't make Tatsuya well developed one. Your logic is a bit twisted. @ wrenchbread said straw man argument usually refers to LN adapted MC's,I don't hate it much sometimes it frustrating,but newer LN's now are going for a different path,MC's are shown to be strong to the point of being OP,in flashbacks or from the people that knows them personally years back,but are nerfed to oblivion in the present day due to various reasons until they reach their former a little strength (Blade dance would be a good example).Which I think is a good thing,OP or formerly OP MC's are better than the popular weak MC in my opinion. But Tatsuya is not formerly OP character, who has been nerfed. He lost nothing. At the point where anime/manga/novel starts, he is already probably world's strongest magician, most advanced genius engineer and very skilled HtH combatant with no weaknesses. And enough with treating me like an anime newbie,I've been watching anime since the very early 90's because my country always had anime on local TV and they didn't censor out bloody fights and edited out disturbing scenes (but they did goof up on Ranma 1/2 when they didn't edited out a bare breast scene which prompted for the show sadly to be axed the next day) :) If you don't want to be treated like a newbie, why are recalling only one type of characters all the time? Did you watch only typical harem animes? 1.Did I mention Ichika? 2.I wasn't talking about Tatsuya,I'm talking about the trend of formerly OP chracters,getting nerfed which to me is a good thing. 3.Sight....because such characters are popular and polluting anime and seems to be what many bashers of OP characters are into (not you,and not the 2 other guys above,but I may be wrong? :) ) |
Aug 2, 2014 12:55 PM
#160
Everyone else covered your post and I feel it's kind of pointless to argue with a person who willfully ignores what's right there in front of them (I said multiple times in the past that Ichika-type characters aren't all that good either), but I do have to address this: darkreaperix said: And enough with treating me like an anime newbie,I've been watching anime since the very early 90's because my country always had anime on local TV and they didn't censor out bloody fights and edited out disturbing scenes (but they did goof up on Ranma 1/2 when they didn't edited out a bare breast scene which prompted for the show sadly to be axed the next day) :) See, this doesn't make sense. You started watching anime much earlier than I did, yet you seem to still be unable to distinguish between fanfiction-quality writing and something a bit more refined. |
Aug 2, 2014 1:03 PM
#161
wrenchbread said: Everyone else covered your post and I feel it's kind of pointless to argue with a person who willfully ignores what's right there in front of them (I said multiple times in the past that Ichika-type characters aren't all that good either), but I do have to address this: darkreaperix said: And enough with treating me like an anime newbie,I've been watching anime since the very early 90's because my country always had anime on local TV and they didn't censor out bloody fights and edited out disturbing scenes (but they did goof up on Ranma 1/2 when they didn't edited out a bare breast scene which prompted for the show sadly to be axed the next day) :) See, this doesn't make sense. You started watching anime much earlier than I did, yet you seem to still be unable to distinguish between fanfiction-quality writing and something a bit more refined. It's like you are most standard in the world in that line of thinking regarding anime/LN's/manga,don't you know the term difference in taste and preference?Everything I posted is in my opinion so I doubt you can change my mind and I can change yours (which I really am not trying to change).It's like if you think Tatsuya sucks than I should too (if I did you will probably not see me in the Mahouka thread,not that much time to discuss characters and series I hate :) ). |
Aug 2, 2014 1:08 PM
#162
darkreaperix said: 1.Did I mention Ichika? 2.I wasn't talking about Tatsuya,I'm talking about the trend of formerly OP chracters,getting nerfed which to me is a good thing. 3.Sight....because such characters are popular and polluting anime and seems to be what many bashers of OP characters are into (not you,and not the 2 other guys above,but I may be wrong? :) ) 1. I just recalled him as example of weak, pathetic character. You can put someone else here, but it still wont make Tatsuya well developed character. 2. But it's not so new. 3. Yes, you are wrong. I never meet or heard of anyone, who was into that kind of characters. You can check e.g. MAL top characters and in first 30 there are no losers from harem animes. Also don't confuse OP characters with Mary Sue/Gary Stu. It's not the same thing. |
jakkubusAug 2, 2014 1:15 PM
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Aug 2, 2014 1:10 PM
#163
darkreaperix said: It's like you are most standard in the world in that line of thinking regarding anime/LN's/manga,don't you know the term difference in taste and preference?Everything I posted is in my opinion so I doubt you can change my mind and I can change yours (which I really am not trying to change).It's like if you think Tatsuya sucks than I should too (if I did you will probably not see me in the Mahouka thread,not that much time to discuss characters and series I hate :) ). Sure, I guess there are people whose taste include liking The Room and Snakes on a Plane unironically, but it doesn't mean they're not poorly executed. Everything, even the bad things, has its fans. I can enjoy something like DAL too, but I don't go telling people it's well-written. And it's OK to admit that you like fanfiction-quality writing. Just don't be telling people it's well-written and just recognize it for what it is. That's all. |
Aug 2, 2014 1:17 PM
#164
wrenchbread said: Sure, I guess there are people whose taste include liking The Room and Snakes on a Plane unironically, but it doesn't mean they're not poorly executed. Everything, even the bad things, has its fans. I can enjoy something like DAL too, but I don't go telling people it's well-written. And it's OK to admit that you like fanfiction-quality writing. Just don't be telling people it's well-written and just recognize it for what it is. That's all. Already posted my answer so lets end it at that and we are kinda going OT.Or you are just baiting me to snapl back?Sorry not biting :) @ jakkubus see my answer to wrenchbread above you,that's my answer to your 3rd point :) |
Aug 2, 2014 1:20 PM
#165
She and Erika make the show have a maximal score of 8/10 in my book. Any chance at least ONE of them shuts up untill the end of the show? |
Aug 2, 2014 1:27 PM
#166
darkreaperix said: Gary Stu trope has its traits, lot of which Tatsuya possesses. The fact you like him, doesn't change anything.@ jakkubus see my answer to wrenchbread above you,that's my answer to your 3rd point :) Also you still didn't respond, why do you think, that Ichika-like characters are popular. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Aug 2, 2014 1:28 PM
#167
darkreaperix said: Already posted my answer so lets end it at that and we are kinda going OT.Or you are just baiting me to snapl back?Sorry not biting :) We already pointed out your inconsistent logic. You started out straw-manning Ichika-type MCs. We pointed out numerous times that Tatsuya isn't all that great either and I myself wrote entire essays, in response to your claim that it's well-written, why Tatsuya is actually badly written and how Mahouka has fanfiction-level writing. Unable to respond to those criticisms, you're taking the copout route, by saying "it's just my taste, man." Whatever floats your boat, duder. I'm done. |
wrenchbreadAug 2, 2014 1:40 PM
Aug 2, 2014 2:08 PM
#168
Well to be honest, in the novel I like her, but in the anime I think she is a bit annoying. |
Aug 3, 2014 6:45 AM
#169
@jakkabus really I should post my fave anime's?Ok,not in order: Tokyo Ravens,Tokyo Majin,Dragon Ball,Dragon Ball Z,Bleach,Naruto Shippudden,Blood +,Blood-C,Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles,xXxHolic (or almost anything by CLAMP),Peter Pan and Wendy anime (especially the anime original final arc),Hellsing,Beelzebub,Mahouka,Tokyo ESP,Kuruko No Basket,Slam Dunk,Rurouni Kenshin,Yaiba,Yamato Nadeshiko Shishinge,Madoka Magica,Gundam X,Gundam Wing,Cyborg 009,Monster Princess,Nura:Rise of the Yokai Clan,Majestic Prince,Hayate No Gotoku,Freezing,Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii,To Aru Majutsu No Index I and II,Yahari Ore No Seishun Love Come Wa Machigatteiru,Oreimo,Kill la Kill,Daimos,Shin Mazinger Z,Kaze No Stigma,Darker Than Black,Mazinkaiser,Ikki Tousen,Hataraku Maou-sama!,Fairy Tail,Fate/Zero,Fate Stay Night,Evangelion Rebuild (the original show especially the final 20 or so eps hurted my 14 year old brain),Detroit Metal City :) wrenchbread said: We already pointed out your inconsistent logic. You started out straw-manning Ichika-type MCs. We pointed out numerous times that Tatsuya isn't all that great either and I myself wrote entire essays, in response to your claim that it's well-written, why Tatsuya is actually badly written and how Mahouka has fanfiction-level writing. Unable to respond to those criticisms, you're taking the copout route, by saying "it's just my taste, man." Whatever floats your boat, duder. I'm done. Hmmm...couldn't respond because I lost my wifi signal (damn network) If I go to your line of thought that it's a fan fiction level writing,then I would say that's a damn well written fan fiction,what I like about the series is the socio-political conspiracies and issues and the subplots.No major plot hole yet (did you really read the LN's or some of them or just skimmed through it?Alas some people consider that are reading novels nowadays. Now I'm not forcing you to see it my way and you should stop forcing me to see it your way.Really Snakes in a Plane?That's just plain insulting :) what I like about Mahouka and the Shiba siblings.Too much major spoilers so...read at your own risk :) [spoiler] Tatsuya's frustration's of being kept in a leash by the Yotsuba,Miyuki's frustration that she is one of the major said leash and that she shouldn't "fall in love with her brother",the 10MC's backstabbing,the fallout during the USNA backstabbing Japan during the Yokohama arc and sending assassins and a SC magician (Lina) to force Tatusya to defect to the USNA or assassinate him during the Visitor's arc,the Erika/Leo/Rozen family subplot,the anti-magician protesters sprouting around the globe subplot,the Zhou subplot,the Black Sage subplot,why does Maya seem to care a lot for Tatsuya's well-being than Miya ever did(both know what he is capable,before Miya's death) and that she treats him like family,what does Maya plan after the "6 months Tatsuya should keep his secrets",Koechi's plan back firing,Kudou Retsu turned out to be an a-hole,fallout of Fujibayashi betraying Tatusya and the 101'st battalion (Kazama did forgive her for now),the 101'st battalion's potential betrayal of Tatsuya and the 10 MC's,Tatsuya and Miyuki's friends reaction when it's revealed that both are Yotsuba (will they feel betrayed?relieved?scared?),Honoka being a descendant of the "Elements",her genes and possessing a True Evil Eye (remember what the Blanche leader used in the Enrollment Arc?She has a stronger version of it),the vampires/parasites subplot,will we ever see a WW4 with the various SC magicians deployed?,will Tatusya be registered as an SC magician?,political marriage's for both Tatsuya and Miyuki?,will the author have a sick end with the siblings killing each other?,what does it mean that Tatsuya is "the Yotsuba's greatest sin"?,Tatsuya being a cold stoic killing machine,Miyuki thankfully isn't a tsundere :) And Tatsuya has an Ironman like suit (seen in Yokohama arc),a Batman costume seen in vol 12,and a Kamen Rider? suit seen in vol 13,he's in full cosplay mode now :) |
darkreaperixAug 3, 2014 7:05 AM
Aug 3, 2014 7:21 AM
#170
darkreaperix said: @jakkabus really I should post my fave anime's?Ok,not in order: Tokyo Ravens,Tokyo Majin,Dragon Ball,Dragon Ball Z,Bleach,Naruto Shippudden,Blood +,Blood-C,Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles,xXxHolic (or almost anything by CLAMP),Peter Pan and Wendy anime (especially the anime original final arc),Hellsing,Beelzebub,Mahouka,Tokyo ESP,Kuruko No Basket,Slam Dunk,Rurouni Kenshin,Yaiba,Yamato Nadeshiko Shishinge,Madoka Magica,Gundam X,Gundam Wing,Cyborg 009,Monster Princess,Nura:Rise of the Yokai Clan,Majestic Prince,Hayate No Gotoku,Freezing,Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii,To Aru Majutsu No Index I and II,Yahari Ore No Seishun Love Come Wa Machigatteiru,Oreimo,Kill la Kill,Daimos,Shin Mazinger Z,Kaze No Stigma,Darker Than Black,Mazinkaiser,Ikki Tousen,Hataraku Maou-sama!,Fairy Tail,Fate/Zero,Fate Stay Night,Evangelion Rebuild (the original show especially the final 20 or so eps hurted my 14 year old brain),Detroit Metal City :) Um, so what? Hmmm...couldn't respond because I lost my wifi signal (damn network) Only someone guilty makes excuses. ;) If I go to your line of thought that it's a fan fiction level writing,then I would say that's a damn well written fan fiction,what I like about the series is the socio-political conspiracies and issues and the subplots.No major plot hole yet (did you really read the LN's or some of them or just skimmed through it?Alas some people consider that are reading novels nowadays. Well, whole major plot feels like one big hole. what I like about Mahouka and the Shiba siblings.Too much major spoilers so...read at your own risk :) Tatsuya's frustration's of being kept in a leash by the Yotsuba,Miyuki's frustration that she is one of the major said leash and that she shouldn't "fall in love with her brother",the 10MC's backstabbing,the fallout during the USNA backstabbing Japan during the Yokohama arc and sending assassins and a SC magician (Lina) to force Tatusya to defect to the USNA or assassinate him during the Visitor's arc,the Erika/Leo/Rozen family subplot,the anti-magician protesters sprouting around the globe subplot,the Zhou subplot,the Black Sage subplot,why does Maya seem to care a lot for Tatsuya's well-being than Miya ever did(both know what he is capable,before Miya's death) and that she treats him like family,what does Maya plan after the "6 months Tatsuya should keep his secrets",Koechi's plan back firing,Kudou Retsu turned out to be an a-hole,fallout of Fujibayashi betraying Tatusya and the 101'st battalion (Kazama did forgive her for now),the 101'st battalion's potential betrayal of Tatsuya and the 10 MC's,Tatsuya and Miyuki's friends reaction when it's revealed that both are Yotsuba (will they feel betrayed?relieved?scared?),Honoka being a descendant of the "Elements",her genes and possessing a True Evil Eye (remember what the Blanche leader used in the Enrollment Arc?She has a stronger version of it),the vampires/parasites subplot,will we ever see a WW4 with the various SC magicians deployed?,will Tatusya be registered as an SC magician?,political marriage's for both Tatsuya and Miyuki?,will the author have a sick end with the siblings killing each other?,what does it mean that Tatsuya is "the Yotsuba's greatest sin"?,Tatsuya being a cold stoic killing machine,Miyuki thankfully isn't a tsundere :) And Tatsuya has an Ironman like suit (seen in Yokohama arc),a Batman costume seen in vol 12,and a Kamen Rider? suit seen in vol 13,he's in full cosplay mode now :) Satou certainly has some good ideas, but their realisation is on the level of fanfiction. Also now are you straw-manning Miyuki? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Aug 3, 2014 8:54 AM
#171
Absolutely can't stand her "Onii-sama!" every fucking 5 seconds. Makes me want to choke her out and watch her eyes roll back into her obnoxious head. |
Aug 3, 2014 10:24 AM
#172
darkreaperix said: If I go to your line of thought that it's a fan fiction level writing,then I would say that's a damn well written fan fiction,what I like about the series is the socio-political conspiracies and issues and the subplots.No major plot hole yet (did you really read the LN's or some of them or just skimmed through it?Alas some people consider that are reading novels nowadays. I like all that stuff, too. Muv-Luv was the reason why I fell in love (pun not intended) with that stuff. It's just not well-executed in the Mahoukaverse because it all feels illogical even for 2014 standards. Who the hell tries an invasion by sea against a major world power? Are you guys retarded? It's 2095 there, but it still feels like the goddamn early 21st century just with magic and it's written by uyoku dantai. And this, right here, is well-written amateur fiction and it does all of what Mahouka does better. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Worm http://parahumans.wordpress.com/table-of-contents/ |
Aug 6, 2014 10:18 PM
#173
You know, it felt like some common stereotype was being filled in. I didn't like it. However, I just went with Oreimo and thinking about the fact that I enjoyed the whole thing (yes, the whooooole damn thing) helped me tolerate it to the end. I don't like her, but it's not like I dislike her. Plus I'm kinda favoring the whole brother complex going on. |
Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit. |
Aug 7, 2014 12:23 AM
#174
rihan1 said: Absolutely can't stand her "Onii-sama!" every fucking 5 seconds. Makes me want to choke her out and watch her eyes roll back into her obnoxious head. Lol i agree with you on that. At first i am okay with her though. But not until i feel like i force myself to try hard just to like her, which it doesn't work at all. She is sooo annoying and the very sight of her (to be fair that voice really play the part) irritates me. But i don't want to drop this anime just yet. I'm attracted to that magic sequence thingy and the story is all good, but urggh~ why must those other female characters go all 'kya-kya' or 'i hate you but i like you' sh** to a particular male character. It feels like i watch some Shoujo-Harem-like Manga turns into Anime sometimes. |
Aug 7, 2014 1:23 AM
#175
Aug 7, 2014 1:33 AM
#176
Ulquiorra1923 said: I like her. Incest doesn't bother me at all. Closed minded people are everywhere I guess. Just lame. That's how I feel :D |
Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel.- Tifa lockhart Which is it? A memory or us? -Tifa lockhart |
Aug 7, 2014 4:19 AM
#177
She's annoying. |
Aug 7, 2014 3:29 PM
#178
Ive been wanting to post how much i hate Miyuki for awhile now. I HATE HER SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Felt good to get that off my chest. |
Aug 27, 2014 5:24 PM
#179
She is so possessive of her brother. She honestly give me the creeps I am all for incest but not for one-sided ones. Sorry |
Aug 31, 2014 6:57 PM
#180
It is kinda funny watching her get jealous and nearly turn into a yuki onna...lol. |
Sore wa himitsu desu. |
Aug 31, 2014 8:24 PM
#181
Haha, i don't think so. Myuki's kinda cute with her failed attempts at actually going somewhere with Tatsuya. She's also powerful and not a helpless/useless character inserted for comic relief, so i have to respect that. The fact that there seems to be a lot of people hating her just solidifies my opinion: i like her. |
Sep 1, 2014 4:39 AM
#182
Well, I don't hate her at all and her actions are quite justified. In the Reminiscence arc, you can see that Miyuki and Tat only met when they were 6 years old, even then it was because he became her Guardian. Seeing how their relationship isn't the normal siblings-type but the master-slave one, she doesn't know how to react naturally. Heck, they only met after 6 years Tat's in confinement. This gap of no contact between siblings can make it more awkward, I know. I know someone that doesn't know that she has a big brother until she is 7, and still she has some awkward moments with him 10 years on. And also, because Tat save her life after she was gravely wounded in the attack, she interpret it as 'I should be dead, but he saved me. My new life is because of him and I will try to release him from his predicament, however I can.' He is like a savior to her, so of course she cannot look at him normally. Anyway, you can counter this argument anyway, because this is my PoV of their relationship and why I don't hate her bro-con complex. |
Sep 2, 2014 6:46 PM
#183
I don't hate, but I get annoyed with sibling complex when the brother or sister get all yandere on the brother's ass.. Incest is fine: kiss her, hug him, screw her, bite him-- I don't mind. The real problem for me is when male shiba talks to other girls and the girls are flirting with him and the sister goes insane. Like he's not the one who's doing something wrong, actually no one is doing something wrong, but the sister is obviously taking shit too far for nothing. Okay, be jealous, but don''t kill or hurt people because you are obsessed by him and cannot control your emotions. Like, I don't remember which episode it was, but she hit him with a spell and I was like: why would you hurt your brother like that when you were the one that was almost on top of him. He was just being modest and I found that to be a bit (really) abusive, abusive relationships are the worst D=! |
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Sep 3, 2014 2:36 AM
#184
EarlAlois said: I don't hate, but I get annoyed with sibling complex when the brother or sister get all yandere on the brother's ass.. Incest is fine: kiss her, hug him, screw her, bite him-- I don't mind. The real problem for me is when male shiba talks to other girls and the girls are flirting with him and the sister goes insane. Like he's not the one who's doing something wrong, actually no one is doing something wrong, but the sister is obviously taking shit too far for nothing. Okay, be jealous, but don''t kill or hurt people because you are obsessed by him and cannot control your emotions. Like, I don't remember which episode it was, but she hit him with a spell and I was like: why would you hurt your brother like that when you were the one that was almost on top of him. He was just being modest and I found that to be a bit (really) abusive, abusive relationships are the worst D=! Remember he is supposed to be her servant,only she doesn't treat him like one,and she knows that he'll be unharmed after,and was made as a prank (maybe a prank with a bit of jealousy :) ). |
Sep 3, 2014 8:57 AM
#185
EmiyaNanaya said: Well, I don't hate her at all and her actions are quite justified. In the Reminiscence arc, you can see that Miyuki and Tat only met when they were 6 years old, even then it was because he became her Guardian. Seeing how their relationship isn't the normal siblings-type but the master-slave one, she doesn't know how to react naturally. Heck, they only met after 6 years Tat's in confinement. This gap of no contact between siblings can make it more awkward, I know. I know someone that doesn't know that she has a big brother until she is 7, and still she has some awkward moments with him 10 years on. And also, because Tat save her life after she was gravely wounded in the attack, she interpret it as 'I should be dead, but he saved me. My new life is because of him and I will try to release him from his predicament, however I can.' He is like a savior to her, so of course she cannot look at him normally. Anyway, you can counter this argument anyway, because this is my PoV of their relationship and why I don't hate her bro-con complex. If it is about Miyuki, then it should be: 'I should be dead, but he saved me. My new life is because of him and I will try to release him from his predicament, however I can have babies with him and scare away any woman, that will try to get close to him.' |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Sep 8, 2014 11:02 PM
#186
i feel a little irritated ncoz of numerous oniisamas. but i founfd out she is even worst in ln so i choose the one in anime shes more adorable there keke |
Sep 8, 2014 11:05 PM
#187
Did she fuck the brother yet or what? Dropped the anime a while ago |
Sep 9, 2014 12:08 PM
#188
I don't hate Miyuki, I mere dislike her. I can tolerate her to some degree. I actually started watching this anime because of her picture. She looked attractive in that image so I figured hey this show have good animation so Imma gonna watch it. Sad to say that completely wore off when I was watching the show. She's a bit annoying with her brother complex. I'm not much into incestuous relationship in an anime (I prefer that in hentais only). And her Yandere attitude whenever other girls take interest in on her brother doubles my dislike of her.... |
Sep 9, 2014 9:52 PM
#189
At first glance of her appearance, some people might fell in love because of her beautifulness. But, in my opinion, when people gets to understand her feelings to the core, there might be an unavoidable complex that people might not be able to bear with it. |
Sep 17, 2014 3:52 PM
#190
Skyray said: She's a bit annoying, but that's not the main issue. The main issue is that she's more of an extension of the Gary Stu main character than anything. She doesn't have any notable purpose in the show other than to dote on the main character, someone with no real impact to the plot but have so much screen time obviously will draw a lot of hate. |
Sep 17, 2014 3:59 PM
#191
rothrock said: Skyray said: She's a bit annoying, but that's not the main issue. The main issue is that she's more of an extension of the Gary Stu main character than anything. She doesn't have any notable purpose in the show other than to dote on the main character, someone with no real impact to the plot but have so much screen time obviously will draw a lot of hate. You want to know what the ironic thing is that despite the fact that Tatsuya is supposed to be devoid of emotions he surprisingly has more depth than Miyuki who is supposedly intact. But still that's not saying much about his character development. Still what's there to develop in the first place (aside from plot devices and superficial elements)? |
Sep 17, 2014 4:07 PM
#192
rothrock said: [/quote]Skyray said: She's a bit annoying, but that's not the main issue. The main issue is that she's more of an extension of the Gary Stu main character than anything. She doesn't have any notable purpose in the show other than to dote on the main character, someone with no real impact to the plot but have so much screen time obviously will draw a lot of hate. I seem to have read that she's basically trying to make up for deeds by her(?) and the family, but she goes a bit overboard (maybe in addition to being attracted to him). I believe that doting goes more in the other direction, but that isn't really strange considering she is the only one that can trigger significant emotions in him. |
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Sep 18, 2014 12:52 AM
#193
Where is a poll? I love her, she's hot, even though I prefer non-black haired anime girls and I don't like her onii-samas. Not to mention I watch Mahouka mostly because of the whole incestuous thing, I find Mahouka boring and uninteresting itself, I prefer seinen romcoms. |
tsundereharasserSep 18, 2014 12:57 AM
Sep 21, 2014 3:17 PM
#194
Sep 24, 2014 9:08 AM
#195
Dunno if hate is the right word and I couldn't give a damn whether it's incest or not but the fact that her entire personality revolves around "Onii-sama!" makes her one of the most bland characters I saw in anime, rivaling Inori from Guilty Crown. |
Sep 24, 2014 11:19 AM
#196
Miyuki is the only character with character. She's the only person worth seeing in this show. DiviMike said: Dunno if hate is the right word and I couldn't give a damn whether it's incest or not but the fact that her entire personality revolves around "Onii-sama!" makes her one of the most bland characters I saw in anime, rivaling Inori from Guilty Crown. Her yandere is so sweet though. But putting her obsession aside, she's actually very intelligent and manipulative. She also demonstrates genuine emotions unlike every other character including fear and worry about the future. No other character has demonstrated this. |
SakuriruSep 24, 2014 11:23 AM
Jan 16, 2016 9:04 AM
#197
I hate her because she one hypocritic contradiciting bitch! During volume 14-15 there were cases where she riducled and looked down on a number of people because of their actions and vaules. So what did she do in vol. 15? Well she thought about "that" close to all the time. She almost had a mental breakdown because of "that". And almost at the end of vol. 15 she pretty much became overjoyed and was ready for "that". Also, her brocon issue is so damn bad now that im not able to stomach it anymore. Best girl Mayumi btw! |
Jan 16, 2016 4:39 PM
#198
Miyuki is simply just too bland, her broconess keeps increasing every LN volume, and it annoyed me. Read her monologues, most of them are Onii-sama this.....Onii-sama that. She literally thinks nothing except find ways to get into her brother's pants. It's like that obsessed took 75% of her brain capacity . Mayumi is the most fleshed out female character in Mahouka to me. |
sidomeJan 16, 2016 5:03 PM
Feb 28, 2016 12:09 PM
#199
i wish miyuki death! The way she looks to tatsya its insane its better tatsuya have a relationship with mayumi |
May 13, 2016 9:52 PM
#200
actually i don't even know why i dislike her so much, maybe it's because she clings too much to her brother? Get jealous so easily? deny that she loves her brother in that way when she's such a fangirl around him? for breathing? oh wait she's in anime, so maybe that's not the reason. note that I still feel this way after i finished the anime and read the manga so don't judge me. |
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