Nidhoeggr said: The definition of grimdark is a bit iffy, I wouldn't really use this term when talking about fictional works but rather user unneccessary strong and graphic depictions of violence, negative emotions and other stuff that usually caters to the "edgy crowd" (see what I mean with vague definitions?). Shingeki certainly plays with these tropes and it is overhyped atm, but it is by no means a horrible manga like the ones we have on our list so far. This. I consider Berserk VERY grimdark, but it works fantastically for the series. |
| Shingeki is really overhyped, but by no means is it bad. I can see why zerkalo dropped it though. That's why I like the decision to put the training first in the anime. After the intro, they throw you right away into action, while in the anime they moved the training arc first, so you can get to know the characters. That's Shingeki's main issue. After the training arc, it's just action action action, with maybe 1 plot chapter every 10 chapters. Sure, it's an action manga. But as a survival manga, character development is really important. I don't even know the name of most side characters that died. Heck, I didn't even remember Ymir and Christa until the current arc. And I read the whole manga in two days. Talk about forgettable cast haha. Which brings me to the question... Does anyone else care about the character development? I feel like I'm the only one who dislikes Shingeki because of the lack of character development, and slow story progression. I see people bitching about Shingeki anime NOT having action, while I feel like Shingeki needs more bonding, and I hope it'll have anime original material with character bonding, just like they extended the second episode. Note: I don't really dislike Shingeki, I like it, it's just that it irritates me a bit, as it's really interesting and it's a shame for it to have such simple flaws. |
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| I agree Zeta. I haven't read the manga and I don't plan to ever but as for the anime they just kind of throw you into everything. The training arc is helping, although the pacing up to it was really sudden. There are ways to lead into a timeskip well and I feel SnK didn't do this part well, but it was minor enough for me to overlook it. What is REALLY worrying me is the similarities it's starting to have to SAO. Pretty much personality-less main character (which works in some series) coupled with overly badass gorgeous personality-less female lead (once again, works in some series), takes itself UBER seriously yet uses 'anime faces' for comedy (just circles for eyes when something is meant to be funny) which I think takes away, their are ways to make comedic facial expressions without using 'anime comedy faces'- See any American cartoon (superhero comics in particular). Then there's the fact that the main guy is starting to turn out to be a Gary Stu (Got up on the bungee thing even though it was broken, although it did take quite a bit of work), and the fact that his 'sister' character (I think she's just a friend who acts as a sister?) is clearly in love with him |
| Mikasa is more of a Mary Stu than Eren (last of her "race", genius, portrayed as the ideal imouto/waifu type, etc.), but he got his fair share of random Shounen powerups and DEM. Still, the story is not finished yet and we should wait with our judgement on some deatils until some of the really big twists are finally revealed and explained. They dropped more than enough hints already. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| I guess I shouldn't have made this proposal since I only read very few Manga. But so far it has probably been the worst I've read and the second I've dropped (the other one, Gantz, was atleast entertaining at some parts). The grimdarkness wasn't the only thing I disliked about it. Neane1993 said: Your favorite manga is BLAME! and that's a pretty grimdark title. Unless you have a completely different meaning for the word "Grimdark" than the rest of us I fail to see how something being "Grimdark" is inherently bad in itself. I didn't say that every story that could be considered grimdark is bad but grimdark itself, brutality for the sake of brutality, is bad in my opinion. Blame! has alot things making up for it and in contrast to Shingeki I didn't get the feeling of pointless gore in Blame!. |
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| If Shingeki is the worst you have read I am a bit envious of you. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| I've only finished 20 manga. |
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Zerkalo said: I've only finished 20 manga. And all of tham sound good so far, nice. I'm not against adding Suzuka to our relations as well. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Anyone for/against Battle Royale being added to the Relations? |
| The art is great, but the overworld mechanics don't work, the writing is HIGHLY manipulative and at times predictable, and there is a lot of convenient plot points and character deaths/survivals. Even though the author makes really good characters, it's only for the point of then killing them off to evoke sympathy from the reader. |
| Have you guys ever polled a manga? I don't see any in the threads. |
| I haven't read the manga, but the live action movie is Quentin Tarantino's favorite film. I refuse to believe the manga is bad until I read it and find out for myself. But, the fact the movie is a favorite of one of my favorite directors....it can't be that bad. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Are Infinite Stratos and Hidan no Aria really that popular, hyped and overrated to be on the relation list? With only 600-800 people reading them, I don't think they are worthy being on the relation list. |
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| I'm kinda on the fence for Battle Royale being added to the relations. It's my absolute favourite manga, but it would be pointless for me to even to try to deny that it runs on shock value, creepy sex and stupid gore. The worst thing about it, I think, is the shitty english adaptation with all it's weird slang and even more shock value added. Obviously, that shouldn't affect whether or not it gets added to relations, because that is the fault of Tokyopop and not the creators. Battle Royale was the first thing I've ever read that made me cry, which I feel kinda silly admitting because, like I said, it's a stupid gorefest. But I could actually feel for the characters, some of the backstories were heartbreaking. The underlying themes were reasonably well implemented in my opinion to. So if it was added to the relations list, I wouldn't protest it, but ultimately I don't think it belongs there. |
Nidhoeggr said: BloodRequiem said: Suggestion: Wolf Guy Classic case of adding in pointless sex and gore to make it LOL DEEP DARKNESS FAGGOTRY. While we are at it, maybe Akumetsu as well? People read way too much into it and it also falls pray to the gore = deep trap. I second the inclusion of akumetsu. |
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| Do light novels count as well? |
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| Of course. SAO is on the list. |
| Could we put Rosario+Vampire (and Season II) on the relations list? After seeing so many cosplayers of that series, and their current rank I think it would be a good idea. The fact that a series that relies on ecchi harem hijinks and flat characters for entertainment, with a little action sprinkled in is higher than actual quality titles isn't right to me. |
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VentusCross said: Could we put Rosario+Vampire (and Season II) on the relations list? After seeing so many cosplayers of that series, and their current rank I think it would be a good idea. The fact that a series that relies on ecchi harem hijinks and flat characters for entertainment, with a little action sprinkled in is higher than actual quality titles isn't right to me. I thought it was already on our list. I was mistaken. Toss them in. |
Ducat_Revel said: VentusCross said: Could we put Rosario+Vampire (and Season II) on the relations list? After seeing so many cosplayers of that series, and their current rank I think it would be a good idea. The fact that a series that relies on ecchi harem hijinks and flat characters for entertainment, with a little action sprinkled in is higher than actual quality titles isn't right to me. I thought it was already on our list. I was mistaken. Toss them in. Sorry Ducat, but could you or another officer/admin do it for me? I can't add it them, I don't have the authority. |
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| I'll need to ask if it used to be on the list first. If not, we might have to poll it. |
| I thought Rosario had already been there too... Man, it seems like we keep having phantom entries disappear in this club lately. Either that, or we're all going collectively insane. |
| I too thought Rosario was already on the relations. . . . Could there be a plebeian spy among us admins? . . . Or is MAL acting up? . . . Or is my mind playing tricks on me? |
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| I've never heard of MAL quirks affecting club lists. Yep, it's either a traitor or slowly encroaching madness. Only two options on Earth. |
| I haven't heard it either, but I woulnd't put it past MAL. Besides, it's kind of more comfortable to delude ourselves that it's a result of MAL being MAL than to accept the other two options. |
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| I also against for adding battle royale to the list. The reason it become a cult for literature and movie is for its plot: the psychological effects surrounding middle school students that forced to kill the people they usually hang out with. This entire theme leads to terrific and fast character development as they learned how the people around them is not the same person when faced with almost certain death (great lesson comes hard). As for some unclear context such as the reason why the government throwing random students for battle royale is explained clearly in the novel. I don't remember whether the manga has explained it or not, because there are some alternation from the original novel (such as some of the character's pasts and behaviors) but still, the manga tries the hardest it can to preserve the execptional novel counterpart, and it sure did a good job at it. BR is not an enlightment material for sure (for its incompetence to preserve the original novel quality!) but definitely not for relation list |
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| Yes, BR is a fantastic concept, and has inspired many other works! It's just that, so far in the manga, there is no proper explanation for how/why the government is doing this and getting away with it or maintaining control over their people. That right there breaks down the whole allusion of realism along with certain characters who are nigh indestructible or posses unlimited ammo. I mean, it's not the most necessary addition to the relations list, but I still think it's earned its spot there for how much people praise it. |
| I'll add it in, I thought it was there too, but technically it doesn't meet the 7.7 score. It still should be there though. |
| BR manga is indeed inferior to its novel counterpart, and it lacks a lot of aspects but it still pain to see a favorite manga to be sent to the relation list..... |
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| and while we at it, can we poll detective conan/meitantei conan on the list? the reason is: - repititive cases and suddendly become boring - no charc development, not even the tiniest bit (except for Ai) - the plot suddendly slow down, very slow, and seems endless.. the current popularity of the manga is no 100 something, maybe because it runs too long and doesn't seem to finish soon but it had one of the biggest fanbase before the trio mainstream got big (op,naruto,bleach) and still mantain a large fanbase until now so? |
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| We don't poll stuff unless there's a large divide. You are the first person to mention Conan and personally I am against putting Conan on the list and I'm sure many others are. Some anime are good being episodic and even formulaic, and Conan is one of them. |
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| I am also against putting Conan on the relation list. |
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| BR gets a lot of hate. Not very overrated at all. It's arguably bad and very unrealistic in the worst way possible, but it does have some decent art and action. Besides, the question is not whether it is bad, but whether it is bad and popular and overrated. Plenty of other titles are more deserving. Shouldn't we at least get a poll? It's what, 4 opposed? Not really a consensus there. Also, akumetsu's inclusion was supported by three people with none opposed that I saw. Should we get a poll or just add it? Either way that's kind of a consensus. |
PolyphemusMay 30, 2013 3:39 AM
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| Found another relations worthy manga I read in the past, Gamaran. I had totally forgotten about it for a while, but I checked it out way back because a YT user made a recommendation video about it, and it sucks. I read about 36 chapters and it is straightforward historical shonen tourney that has almost no suspense or twists whatsoever. The setup is run of the mill; a prestigious family wants to find the greatest martial artist in the land, and one of the sons goes looking for a famed warrior to represent his side of the family, only to get his diamond in the rough son instead. What follows is fight after fight after fight running on razor thin substance and with hardly an ounce of suspense, and it's practically formulaic; Gama starts fighting a person with a style that is somewhat unorthodox and troublesome for him, at first having the upper hand, then getting slaughtered, only to pull a secret technique out of his ass and turn things around completely. The art is like a weaker version of Tite Kubo's style, and the characters hardly have an ounce of depth to them. Gama from what I recall is basically a Hitsugaya clone but more milder and apathetic, and the others weren't too noteworthy from what I recall. All this, and it has an 8.06 score and is in top 300 for manga popularity. It's not the most painful and detestable thing ever, but it is cliched and uninspired to a tee yet it has a fairly high score which is baffling. |
Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? I could go for that. |
Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anyway else want to add this to the manga relations? Maybe for fun? This is........................a thing? |
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ForgoneReality said: Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? I could go for that. Highschool Musical is a masterpiece of a manga, how dare you be sarcastic towards it? No manga deserves to be on the enlightenment list more than this masterpiece. |
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3nvy said: Still on this.Also, akumetsu's inclusion was supported by three people with none opposed that I saw. |
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sushi55 said: ForgoneReality said: Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? I could go for that. Highschool Musical is a masterpiece of a manga, how dare you be sarcastic towards it? No manga deserves to be on the enlightenment list more than this masterpiece. 4thed. |
Amberleh said: 5thed. let's pull the suggestion on enlightment tread guyssushi55 said: ForgoneReality said: Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? I could go for that. Highschool Musical is a masterpiece of a manga, how dare you be sarcastic towards it? No manga deserves to be on the enlightenment list more than this masterpiece. 4thed. |
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doraemon1992 said: Amberleh said: 5thed. let's pull the suggestion on enlightment tread guyssushi55 said: ForgoneReality said: Neane1993 said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_Musical Anybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? I could go for that. Highschool Musical is a masterpiece of a manga, how dare you be sarcastic towards it? No manga deserves to be on the enlightenment list more than this masterpiece. 4thed. Nah dude, 5 unanimous. It is done. |
Amberleh said: doraemon1992 said: Nah dude, 5 unanimous. It is done.Amberleh said: 5thed. let's pull the suggestion on enlightment tread guyssushi55 said: 4thed.ForgoneReality said: Highschool Musical is a masterpiece of a manga, how dare you be sarcastic towards it? No manga deserves to be on the enlightenment list more than this masterpiece.Neane1993 said: I could go for that.http://myanimelist.net/manga/12200/High_School_MusicalAnybody else want to add this to the manga Enlightenmnet? That's Awesome. |
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