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| Didn’t expect a kiss wow Praying for yuri 🙏 |
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Is it now, like, romance anime or something? I mean I wouldn't mind, but I feel like it would become a problem for the group dynamics... Either way, I will watch their career with great interest.
| @ComediNyan Even if there is an element of romance, it still won't be a romance show, because judging by the lack of a tag and the strange behavior of the writer, that's clearly not the focus of the show. Although who knows how the promotion of the show might change if romance actually appears in it. For example, although Yuri on ICE! never considered itself a BL anime in the truest sense of the word, it was often promoted as a love story after the ending. So, I think that if they really take the romantic route, it will rather go like a subplot. |
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| Hell nah they ruined it with Yuri |
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| Conflicts really do get concluded without any unneeded drama in this series, be it with someone else or something to go with one's own problems, and this is that one thing which takes a high more than anything else. Though things are going a lot easier for them. They are getting the audience, their videos are going viral, and whatnot. I suspect we'd see that divorcee mother cum producer confronting this group soon enough. |
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HajimeNozomiUwU said:
Hell nah they ruined it with Yuri
Hell nah they ruined it with Yuri
agreed. and the amount of hate people like us two are gonna get it just because a certain comunity cant handle people not liking their tastes....
| @FlypyBird I don't think "it will be ruined because of yuri" is any better than people declaring it a masterpiece just because of yuri, or even declaring it yuri without even waiting for any specifics from the next episode at all. These are simply opposite extremes. |
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RobertBobert said:
@FlypyBird I don't think "it will be ruined because of yuri" is any better than people declaring it a masterpiece just because of yuri, or even declaring it yuri without even waiting for any specifics from the next episode at all. These are simply opposite extremes.
@FlypyBird I don't think "it will be ruined because of yuri" is any better than people declaring it a masterpiece just because of yuri, or even declaring it yuri without even waiting for any specifics from the next episode at all. These are simply opposite extremes.
sure, its still an extreme, but its an extreme that wouldnt exist if the other extreme wasnt there to start with. Nontheless my problem isnt more with comunity, its simply with what yuri leads to. same as boys love too. I cant relate or enjoy because I cant follow the logic behind it, since I myself aint one. then theres also the other side where it feels like the show just becomes a yuri focus thing, since the fandom for yuri is pretty much like: Make it yuri moment and im happy even if you sh£t on the floor.
though this last statement is an assumption that could, of course, not happen.
nontheless ill watch next episode and decide from there, but right now I am highly inclined to drop the show as I cant really find a good way to try and make it now not yuri without ruining the plot. i mean, that last scene just had too many things to claim it wasnt yuri.
| @FlypyBird I can understand this perfectly well. But I can also understand people who like yuri and therefore want to see it in a show that interests them. There's nothing wrong with either position as long as it doesn't get too radical or too personal, as I think. Unfortunately, a sense of proportion and understanding the boundaries between tastes and dogmatism is not about modern fandom, not only for anime, but for anything in general. @Rimuru_11407 Not every music anime is dedicated to the creation of songs, let alone showing the process in detail. But yes, usually the characters perform songs within the show. It’s just that in this case, the anime is directly dedicated to the creative process and, as the author said, to the emotions of the characters. That's why the MVs at the end of the ending are so significant. |
RobertBobertMay 4, 4:12 PM
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FlypyBird said:
fking stop making everything gay
They're not. It's 1 showfking stop making everything gay
| @Fail_Man_X 1 show from what? |
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@RobertBobert I don't understand your question
| @Fail_Man_X Well, the person stated that they supposedly "do everything gay", to which you replied "no, only 1 show." So I was interested in the context of your answer, since that dude was obviously overgeneralizing. |
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Ryushindai said: @RobertBobert I'm fine as long as something happens, I just hope that scene had some meaning behind it and it isn't just some fan-service @ShinoAlter explain please all mighty known of everything, that last scene had the same feeling as Kumiko and Reina talk after the hike in Euphonium and after that the community absolutely exploded on yuri talks. Literally the same happening right now Yes, they had the same scene, but people weren’t aware of the contents of the original source, that sadly never goes the yuri route, making no sense to what it was doing in all the prior scenes. In this situation, we have more than enough proof shown by the direction, vibe of the scenes and the camera shots, plus the final kiss. Even if it won’t go extreme with it (I highly doubt it will go further than „deep feelings for each other” and kiss being a bit of an experiment/joke/whatever). But yuri isn’t set by simple love confession - yuri/no love confession - no yuri, and even yuri authors say that. |
| mlem Also read Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso wo Kasaneru (Bless Botan) |
HajimeNozomiUwU said: Hell nah they ruined it with Yuri Bro, the undertones have been there since episode 1, were you asleep during ep 1-4? |
| mlem Also read Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso wo Kasaneru (Bless Botan) |
FlypyBird said: HajimeNozomiUwU said: Hell nah they ruined it with Yuri agreed. and the amount of hate people like us two are gonna get it just because a certain comunity cant handle people not liking their tastes.... You will be hated because you pretty much said you can’t relate to people loving each other because they’re the same gender. What does that have to do with anything? |
| mlem Also read Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso wo Kasaneru (Bless Botan) |
| yoru is really growing fast, she doesn't throw herself too far and cause a burden on her friends. and thank you to kano for giving encouragement to yoru who wants to start developing. AND THE SCENE AT THE END IS YURI? NOT YURI BAIT? and I think this is the best episode so far, looking forward to what will happen to yoru and kano relationship next week.  |
| And as expected, most people completely forgot what the show was about in the first place, starting to argue about ships and making it personal. Some things never change. @ShinoAlter You are setting your expectations too high right now, don’t do that. Allowing things to unfold will save you both pointless arguments and potential disappointment if your snap judgments don't pan out. In fact, all we have at the moment is a kiss on the cheek without any specifics or clear context, the rest is interpretation and speculation on the level of “I felt gay vibes, so there is a gay subtext and they are gay.” And yes, even if we forget that yuri in modern Japanese slang means a million things up to and including an objectively platonic relationship, the author still hasn’t changed his words about whether this show is yuri or not depends on the viewer. That doesn't mean he won't change them or that the show won't be gay even without it, just let things play out on their own instead of trying to argue about the content before episode six even airs. |
RobertBobertMay 4, 5:32 PM
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| I had things to comment but... THEY KISSED! |
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I had things to comment but... THEY KISSED!
| @PaninaManina One kissed the other on the cheek without warning, lol. I understand that there is no point in talking about this, but it seems that the entire thread has already managed to convince itself that we had something like a passionate French kiss no less. |
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@RobertBobert Me telling him to calm his tits was the context. Nothing more to it than that.
| @Fail_Man_X Ah, then don't pay attention. Looks like I'm just getting tired of this thread. |
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@Ryushindai I honestly don't think it's bait. It was portrayed way too earnestly for that, is the feeling I get.
If anything, this makes me think the reason Kano had a falling out with her old group is cuz she developed a crush on one of the girls and she reacted badly to it (the other girl).
If anything, this makes me think the reason Kano had a falling out with her old group is cuz she developed a crush on one of the girls and she reacted badly to it (the other girl).
| @RikkaMatsu The manga adaptation teases the idea that Kano felt unfree in the group and was unable to express tastes and desires that were different from others. Moreover, in this case, the show should not have focused on creating its own personal art, but solely on romance. But one way or another, I don’t think whether it’s bait or not doesn't depends on the kiss itself. It's more about how the show handles it further. |
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RobertBobert said:
And as expected, most people completely forgot what the show was about in the first place, starting to argue about ships and making it personal. Some things never change.
@ShinoAlter You are setting your expectations too high right now, don’t do that. Allowing things to unfold will save you both pointless arguments and potential disappointment if your snap judgments don't pan out. In fact, all we have at the moment is a kiss on the cheek without any specifics or clear context, the rest is interpretation and speculation on the level of “I felt gay vibes, so there is a gay subtext and they are gay.”
And yes, even if we forget that yuri in modern Japanese slang means a million things up to and including an objectively platonic relationship, the author still hasn’t changed his words about whether this show is yuri or not depends on the viewer. That doesn't mean he won't change them or that the show won't be gay even without it, just let things play out on their own instead of trying to argue about the content before episode six even airs.
And as expected, most people completely forgot what the show was about in the first place, starting to argue about ships and making it personal. Some things never change.
@ShinoAlter You are setting your expectations too high right now, don’t do that. Allowing things to unfold will save you both pointless arguments and potential disappointment if your snap judgments don't pan out. In fact, all we have at the moment is a kiss on the cheek without any specifics or clear context, the rest is interpretation and speculation on the level of “I felt gay vibes, so there is a gay subtext and they are gay.”
And yes, even if we forget that yuri in modern Japanese slang means a million things up to and including an objectively platonic relationship, the author still hasn’t changed his words about whether this show is yuri or not depends on the viewer. That doesn't mean he won't change them or that the show won't be gay even without it, just let things play out on their own instead of trying to argue about the content before episode six even airs.
I think a good metric is to look at the writers previous work. Bottom Tier Character Tomozaki. The anime us flawed, but the LN is a masterpiece. Does it tackle romance? Yes but it is absolutely not the focus. It also isnt afraid to pick a ship, and actively sink a beloved ship early on.
It would not shock me at all if Yoru does not return her romantic feelings. It's absolutely a move this writer can take. If anything, it would be more in line with his style if there was a rejection and we get an exploration of it
| @GGcc78 I don't think Tomozaki is a good example here, not to mention all these comparisons would still be pure speculation. Although it’s strange that no one remembered Mimimi with her “friendly jokes” on the verge of sexual harassment, which they always portrayed as jokes, and not a hint of attraction. I'm interested in something else. Why is the author still not commenting on episode 5 and not changing his words that “yuri is a matter of personal interpretation”, although the cliffhanger of this episode is actually able to ask the question about yuri directly. Judging by his tweets, it doesn't seem like he's one of those people who separates yuri from conventionally realistic lesbian content. Although he clearly supports the idea of ​​interpretations or platonic yuri IN GENERAL. |
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| Kyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaa!! clears throat Eh, I suppose it was a little cute. Just a little though!!! It'll do for now. Hmph~ I can definitely make it an entire week until the next episode comes out!! DEFINITELY. How dare those losers though: being mean to Mahiru like that -.- |
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 I don't think Tomozaki is a good example here, not to mention all these comparisons would still be pure speculation. Although it’s strange that no one remembered Mimimi with her “friendly jokes” on the verge of sexual harassment, which they always portrayed as jokes, and not a hint of attraction.
I'm interested in something else. Why is the author still not commenting on episode 5 and not changing his words that “yuri is a matter of personal interpretation”, although the cliffhanger of this episode is actually able to ask the question about yuri directly. Judging by his tweets, it doesn't seem like he's one of those people who separates yuri from conventionally realistic lesbian content. Although he clearly supports the idea of ​​interpretations or platonic yuri IN GENERAL.
@GGcc78 I don't think Tomozaki is a good example here, not to mention all these comparisons would still be pure speculation. Although it’s strange that no one remembered Mimimi with her “friendly jokes” on the verge of sexual harassment, which they always portrayed as jokes, and not a hint of attraction.
I'm interested in something else. Why is the author still not commenting on episode 5 and not changing his words that “yuri is a matter of personal interpretation”, although the cliffhanger of this episode is actually able to ask the question about yuri directly. Judging by his tweets, it doesn't seem like he's one of those people who separates yuri from conventionally realistic lesbian content. Although he clearly supports the idea of ​​interpretations or platonic yuri IN GENERAL.
My point about Tomozaki is that the romance handled in that did not go a route people expected. The leave Yuri up to interpretation thing can be "is this Yuri if one party is a lesbian, but the other is not". Maybe that counts as Yuri, I personally wouldn't because of the unrequited love aspect of it. Sure, one girl might be in love but what if the other isn't and will never hold a romantic love towards them?
Unrequited love is a topic he explored in the past as well as *not* having the obvious romantic interest be the winner.
| @GGcc78 This is all pure speculation, we can endlessly assume things based not even on indirect evidence, but simply theorizing. @LegatoC Suki is literally "like". The rest depends on the context. The actual passage you quoted literally speaks about this. For "strong feelings" there is "aishiteru", but the Japanese do not usually use this as melodramatic. I don’t know what the meaning of Kano’s kiss was, but Yoru's words most likely had a platonic context. That's why she was surprised by Kano's reaction, no matter what her intentions were. Also, I checked episode 4 again, there was nothing about “crush”. She implied that there was a person she was “kinda into,” to which the girls asked “what kind of person.” Which she explained in this episode. This is a comedic misunderstanding, not a love confession. You can also easily see this from her surprised reaction to their answer and the fact that we are not allowed to see the end of the scene. |
RobertBobertMay 4, 7:19 PM
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 This is all pure speculation, we can endlessly assume things based not even on indirect evidence, but simply theorizing.
@GGcc78 This is all pure speculation, we can endlessly assume things based not even on indirect evidence, but simply theorizing.
Of course, I thought that was clear? I think the beauty of anime original content is that this is the one time everyone can get together and theorize without risk of being spoiled . This is the most fun part of an anime original show like this
Bonus points for this actually being a *good* show and not trash like some other anime originals we've gotten in the past
| @GGcc78 Yes, but simply theorizing without a strong base will simply waste time endlessly on unanswerable questions like “how many angels will pass through the eye of a needle.” Even the meaningless set of prejudices about an aquarium and passing off a kiss on the cheek as a full-fledged kiss above makes more sense than this. |
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 Yes, but simply theorizing without a strong base will simply waste time endlessly on unanswerable questions like “how many angels will pass through the eye of a needle.” Even the meaningless set of prejudices about an aquarium and passing off a kiss on the cheek as a full-fledged kiss above makes more sense than this.
@GGcc78 Yes, but simply theorizing without a strong base will simply waste time endlessly on unanswerable questions like “how many angels will pass through the eye of a needle.” Even the meaningless set of prejudices about an aquarium and passing off a kiss on the cheek as a full-fledged kiss above makes more sense than this.
I mean, the writer in question has hundreds of pages worth of content written and there are some very clear parallels to what he's writen in the past to what's on display here. I don't think that's a waste of time, but perhaps I misunderstood your tone of your post. I thought you were up for debate and discussion, but if you feel it's a waste of time I'll leave you be. Have a good evening
| @GGcc78 Should I say that analogies are not an argument and are very often based on very subjective comparisons? I don't mind making assumptions, but I prefer to discuss things based on something rather than just having an endless debate about abstract things. |
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 Should I say that analogies are not an argument and are very often based on very subjective comparisons? I don't mind making assumptions, but I prefer to discuss things based on something rather than just having an endless debate about abstract things.
@GGcc78 Should I say that analogies are not an argument and are very often based on very subjective comparisons? I don't mind making assumptions, but I prefer to discuss things based on something rather than just having an endless debate about abstract things.
Listen, youve already said I'm wasting your time. Your tone is clear, and your view is noted. While you have preferences in what you debate I have preferences as well and they seem they're not aligned. So again, have a good evening
| @GGcc78 I didn't say you were wasting my time. All I said is that I’d rather discuss similar things with arguments than just fan speculation. But if you don't like it, then okay, I won't try to force you. |
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 I didn't say you were wasting my time. All I said is that I’d rather discuss similar things with arguments than just fan speculation. But if you don't like it, then okay, I won't try to force you.
@GGcc78 I didn't say you were wasting my time. All I said is that I’d rather discuss similar things with arguments than just fan speculation. But if you don't like it, then okay, I won't try to force you.
Stating an author has consistently tackled specific themes isn't speculation. You're consistently refering to the authors twiter posts. I'm refering to his published works. If ones valid, then so is the other.
| @GGcc78 In this case, speculation, because any romance, especially in anime, has themes of non-reciprocal love. This is too general a comparison. With the same logic, we can say that since the author wrote romance in Tomozaki, that means it is romance too. That's why I talked about the need for a base. Well, his tweets directly address the topic without being my comparisons or assumptions. |
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| I'm glad Yoru took the self improvement route opposed to self destructing to criticism. Also that scene where they zoomed on Yoru's lips on the train reminded me of the "They're using actors" gag from Spongebob XD |
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RobertBobert said:
@GGcc78 In this case, speculation, because any romance, especially in anime, has themes of non-reciprocal love. This is too general a comparison. With the same logic, we can say that since the author wrote romance in Tomozaki, that means it is romance too. That's why I talked about the need for a base.
Well, his tweets directly address the topic without being my comparisons or assumptions.
@GGcc78 In this case, speculation, because any romance, especially in anime, has themes of non-reciprocal love. This is too general a comparison. With the same logic, we can say that since the author wrote romance in Tomozaki, that means it is romance too. That's why I talked about the need for a base.
Well, his tweets directly address the topic without being my comparisons or assumptions.
His tweets are deliberately vague by design. The authors world view is in his writing and adds the needed context to all of this. I'm going to ask a question, have you actually read the book or are you an anime only? He has thousands of words writen that outlines his views on human interaction, what it means to love, what it means to not love and above all his general philosophy that no one should dictate who you as the individual should interpret the world.
If you know this context, his yuri tweet makes perfect sense
| @GGcc78 We can literally say this about any work by any author. And even so, this does not mean that they put exactly the meaning that you or I personally want. At the same time, his tweets weren't ambiguous, What exactly do you think is ambiguous here? |
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