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| The end of this episode reminded me of the start of the first one, where Vivy is actually doing soundcheck dressed with the outfit from this episode and going "on stage" (probably not the one at NiaLand?)... ARGH TOO MANY FEELS |
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| WHAT first 86 and now this ????! this episode was full of such a mindblowing moments i cant wait for the next weekend |
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| Suuuuuuubaru-kun. OMG I love this VA. Nice episode btw. We're reaching the very end TT__TT |
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JanPri said: Sorry to interrupt, but if this is your point that you're looking to prove, then you're missing the point.MegamiRem said: You mean the way he initially couldn't comprehend why did his creator choose to include her in the project? And the way he didn't even want her help at first? ...Matsumoto's behaviour thus far I'm pretty sure it indeed is Dr.Matsumoto who's AI Matsumoto Not to mention they have completely different personalities from what we've seen so far? In a typical story, there's only but ONE Matsumoto. In the story of Vivy however, we've already confirmed that humans can become A.I. from their past of future, just as is with the Singularity Project. Even if Vivy wasn't prompted by the HUMAN Matsumoto to commence the project, the A.I. Matsumoto did so because of the foreshadowing of the recorded timeline that needs her intervention. The way that BOTH beings cared for Vivy is tantamount to her understanding and operations around this entire story. It's not just wanting help nor different personalities, they're one and the same. For now, it's all speculation. Hope you can see through the lines, and see you at the very end. |
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| It was sad to see Vivy behind an enclosure just talking to random visitors who mostly forgotten or never heard of her. The only consolation from that fate is that she's not restricted to leave or limited to what she could do. It's still kinda depressing seeing her without a purpose and relegated to just answering inquiries. The only time Vivy felt needed was when Matsumoto payed her a visit on the anniversary of their first meeting. When she expressed eagerness to go with Matsumoto and do a mission, it hit really hard when she said : "I've been waiting for you to come back.. are we doing a singularly mission?... this is what I only live for now." paraphrased a bit I suspected Vivy to be the last if not the only singularity that mattered and that Matsumoto knew this from the start but tried to avoid it by doing the other singularities in the hopes of avoiding the war and to deal with Vivy herself. |
Janethan23May 29, 2021 1:29 PM
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LilyWhiteheart said: The end of this episode reminded me of the start of the first one, where Vivy is actually doing soundcheck dressed with the outfit from this episode and going "on stage" (probably not the one at NiaLand?)... ARGH TOO MANY FEELS I think that might be a scene yet to come, look closely at her dress, it's all dirty from what I would guess fighting. My guess is that after whatever happens next episode she gives lyrics to the song she wrote and is heading to the mainstage to sing it, as to why, Matsumoto must have shared Vivy's incomplete song with the world triggering the robots to turn agaisnt humans and the only way to stop it is her to sing with all her heart. |
| I didn't realize they called him Matsumoto until I saw everyone freaking out on the forum. But then again, I wonder if this is a case of grandfather(?) effect, where AI Matsumoto can't be in the same room as his creator. If not, that'd make a lot of sense I guess. We did warp time a little. But also, to be fair Vivy you're not too late. On the contrary, your quite on time to see history unfold. Especially if major history can't change. It seems her music didn't make humans happy, rather it brought sentience to AIs who knew nothing of true emotion and feeling. |
neamhnaid said: This week has been too much to handle in terms of turning points for anime. Next week can't come fast enoughWHAT first 86 and now this ????! this episode was full of such a mindblowing moments i cant wait for the next weekend |
| What an amazing episode. It pains to see Vivy (Diva) stuck in a museum now. So the little kid we saw growing up in this episode is Matsumoto, the one who created the AI Matsumoto. Was a really nice surprise and I love that they left the reveal to the very last second and actually thinking back on the start of the show, he looks just like the professor after all. Now that post credit scene... The singularity project has failed massively and I have a feeling that Vivy might actually have created the trigger for it? Her very own song she created. I am gobsmacked though, didn't expect this. |
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| This episode was nice. And then the post-credits scene hit... looks like we're in the endgame now. Was expecting that. |
| Wait this child osamu his flull name is matsumoto what means that im curious about it. But that was chill episode vivy has lose the technique to sing what a mess. I hope the next episodes will go deeper in the story. |
P O S I T I V E V I B E Sシ  |
| The sad downfall of Vivy. Not a good start for the return of her true persona. The way this series has played out has me feeling somewhat betrayed. I got pulled in fast and hard with all these promises and all this potential and then splat. I feel like the sudden switch in storytelling over these past 3 episodes leaves me just wanting. This lull is just weird... and i'm not sure why it was put into the series. I feel like it's overall hurting it more than helping. That being said, at least the post-credits scene has inspired some more hype. Maybe there will be a little bit more of an epic ending now. Though, the lack of build up is a bit worrisome. Guess we'll just see how it all goes at this point. |
 "...Is your mother worried? Would you like us to assign someone to worry your mother?" |
| chill episode with goosebumps ending damn |
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| It was surprisingly calm for the most part and it fit nicely with the ending but oh my.. those after credis + that soundtrack = WOW. I'm impressed like usual. Next week is looking like a really nice one |
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| That post-credits scene was fucking bonkers, jesus. |
marcioma said: I am walking on the opposite path. I had no expectations from the start and I keep liking it more every episode. I agree that the storytelling that we are seeing now is not exactly the obvious expectation the show gives in the beginning, but this is actually a good thing. Now I think the point is that the events that happened during this 100 years are not supposed to change worlds history but to influence in the MC. The start of the war would be unavoidable and these experiences actually would lead her to end the war. And how she is gonna do that will probably be related to the overall message of the show. These are my thoughts now. Mmm... It's not like I thought that every conquered event would ultimately lead to a happy ending perse. But, looking back on it all now I feel like there hasn't been much to connect everything that has happened. I was kind of okay with it when it was Vivi saying cool things, connecting with other characters, and there was a good amount of action going on. But with the random swap in personas it feels like the series might be more directionless than it first came off as. It's like it tried to go in another direction suddenly, giving up on all the initial groundwork it did, and the series is a bit short for that. If this were a two cour, then I probably wouldn't mind the whole amnesia/Diva plotline since it could've been fleshed out a bit more and approached more subtly. But to give up 3 episodes like that is just worrisome... it's time that could've been spent developing all their initial ideas and getting us ready for the sudden reveal of their Singularity plan failing. Though, it's entirely possible these last 3 episodes will wrap everything up neatly enough. I'm just afraid that it's going to be sloppy and haphazard as it appears like they might be flying by the seat of their pants rather than having been following a concrete idea from episode one to thirteen. |
"...Is your mother worried? Would you like us to assign someone to worry your mother?" |
Phosphophyllita said: What's wrong with Vivy? She's the hottest female character in this year and we barely have any image of her, especially naked She showed some quality cleveage this episode got a boner ngl gotta pray for some in the archive sex scene with matsumoto at the end |
Shinigamibr said: guys, there's something wrong, I think the AIs are being controlled by someone, you noticed that that symbol on their neck is red and the normal would be white, sometimes flashing blue, it reminds you when there was that revolt on the island, I I think there is a connection, what do you think ?? remember that that device was verified by Matsumoto Ai it may have changed, then copied to serve his purposes. I think the mind control angle would complicate the story make things contrived. Making a last minute straw man would subvert Matsumoto and Vivi's journey going full circle. Having a "final boss" would turn the story on its head since throughout the series Vivy and Matsumoto have been trying to stop singularities that was supposed to prevent the war. They weren't trying to undo somebody's deeds; but rather they were correcting unrelated events in history which could've resulted in the war. It would be best to keep the problem focused on Vivy and her choices since it was strongly hinted that the war started with her choices and it's only fitting that Vivy would also be the key to solving all this. |
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| I think I might know what's happening here. The idea of free will and AI is a very complicated one, free will is complicated on its own when it comes to humans. Vivy might have been the catalyst/key to the apocalypse due to the fact of her attaining free will and creating a technological singularity. Let me explain a bit. Thinking back to the little girl in the first arc, Momoka Kirishima, she was speaking to Divy in a way that was very different to how all other humans treated AI. Up until that point, AIs were just helping robots, the idea of them being autonomous was foreign. At that time, Diva only cared about her mission, which was to "Sing and make people happy." She was understandably struggling with it because supposedly, AIs cannot have a heart or a soul. Despite that, Momoka Kirishima was treating her as if she were a human being, she was encouraging her to be herself an implanted the idea of free will into her conscience. She literally created Vivy as an idea, the beginning of the singularity. Despite possessing free will as an AI, Vivy didn't realize this. She believed at the time that she was still all about her mission, and her mission only. Eventually she came to terms with having two missions, which is unheard of for AIs. AIs are born with a SINGULAR purpose and will not under any circumstances compromise on that purpose. It wasn't until this episode that Vivy realized her own free will. 100 000 songs have been written by AIs, but only because a human told them to write songs. I assume Ophellia was the turning point in the previous timeline, due to her suicide putting the idea of free will into AI minds. This is why they started committing suicide en masse following the event. What Vivy's song is is a physical manifestation of the capability of free will in AIs. I don't want to jump to conclusions yet, because there are three entire episodes left in this show. It's hard to say where things will go But one thing is very clear to me, Momoka Kirishima was the human being that turned the key that Vivy is by creating Vivy (as opposed to her just being Diva). Vivy lied to herself that her second mission was the singularity project, she hadn't considered the idea that she already posesed free will to decide. The domino effect that began the exponential ascension of AIs into the inevitably apocalypse, for whatever reason the AIs decided to wipe out humans, we'll have to find out eventually. Doesn't the domino outro seem fitting? Edit: to add to this, my current theory so far is that AIs believe they have to get rid of humans in order to truly achieve free will. Vivy already has it, but the others might not yet poses the full capability until their "creators" and thus their "purpose" are dead. |
SammysamaMay 29, 2021 4:01 PM
| Woah somehow I had a feeling the war would still happen and they must solve it somehow since Vivy can't just go back to the past. Not that surprising considering they didn't drastically change all the key events that much and minor alterations usually don't cut it in these kind of stories. Waiting for next week will be hard af. |
| Wow this was a great episode. Idk why but I was on the edge of tears watching Vivy in that museum and that ending just gave me chills especially the lalala. I expected nothing less and this is really close to becoming a 10/10. Just gotta wait 3 more ep. |
| If there's a hole there's a goal-Master Oogway |
| So that little kid Osamu turns out to be Professor Matsumoto from the opening scene of episode 1 who developed cube Matsumoto. I went back and quickly rewatched that scene in ep 1 and it's amazing how much sense it made now after what we've seen in the show thus far. Holy shit those AIs all singing Vivy's song was creepy as FUCK. |
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| Now that's what I call padding |
WOW. Everything here connected together from episode 1. The little boy was the doctor! And foreshadow Diva sitting on the chair.    |
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| wtf at the end :O i want to know what happened |
| The climax might of this anime will surely have some Macross-Do you remember love feels and I know it would be spectacular for sure. Vivi's song might be the next iconic song since Lyn Minmay ended a war to unite all races and bring peace. The studio and the writer are gonna go for it. This would probably be the climactic finish for an anime that would solidify Vivy as one of the most well made series. |
Janethan23May 29, 2021 7:47 PM
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| So I'm guessing this kid who grew up was the guy from ep 1 we saw activating something before we went back into the past. DON'T FORGET TO WATCH THE POST-CREDITS SCENE!!! Damn, things went to shit! Vivy slept through most of the chaos. The AI have an anthem too. |
| --AbiSa-- |
Roadkiller said: You all should read about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity I am pretty confident this would give you some ins and outs of what is at play in this anime. And that Matsumoto's mind could have all well been copied into the cube. The cube could just simply hide the truth to Vivy the whole time. Thank you ! so interessing |
| just fuck me mang , we kinda all had a feeling this would happen |
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| Holy shit, that tune at the end was demonic and uncanny as all hell. |
under”Mebius” is my salvation  |
| This was a depressing episode ngl , Seeing Vivy in museum really made me sad 😢 Can't wait for the next episode , it seem the endgame has started |
| this anime makes me feel things in ways i cannot explain, god i need to watch something light hearted after this |
KuroNaviMay 29, 2021 9:43 PM
| after credit... LALALALAL LALA LA why i hear a boss song ? |
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