Jaku-Chara Tomozaki-kun Episode 11 Discussion

SakayanagiCOTE said:

Ruined what and how? This episode showcased amazing development on Tomozaki's part and showed how Aoi was being toxic and controlling. If anything this made the series much better. Don't see how this ruined anything unless you consider character development to be bad.

MenchiK1 said:
Wow I'm so surprised this has gone over everyone's head and they are cheering Tomozaki and calling Aoi a bitch. Really? Rewatch two scenes when the blonde confesses to her on the bench and the end where Tomozaki says he doesn't want to be fake any more.
First the bench scene, Aoi pretends to lower her fake persona but in actuality switches to another fake one. Tomozaki notices this, how? He has seen her real personality. Then she explains her basic life philosophy "I think every normal person puts on an act to some extent so we we have to compromise and find that one person we can be our true selves around" (Tomozaki is her one person she is herself around) Blonde guy even says 'I hope someday I get to see it'. That's why she rejected his confession, he only knows "fake" Aoi and she has only known the "fake" him so no point in starting a "fake" relationship. Remember he just confessed he never dates the girls he puts up his act for even though he could since they all fall for it, he's so good at it.
Now go to the bench, Tomozaki tells her I don't want to be fake anymore, and she asks what he means by that and he can't say. She then says "So you're different too" "Your turn is over the second you let go of the controller." Remember her philosophy, she knows everyone puts up a fake personality. When she first met him remember what he did as she was walking away he let loose on how he really felt, she saw he was the "real" Tomozaki he didn't have a fake facade so she decided to help him play "life" by teaching him how to put up that fake personality everyone else does. That's what was holding him back, he was open and honest but mistakenly assumed EVERYONE else was too. Now he comes to her and tells her basically "I don't want to play any more" "I want to be true to myself" basically go back to how he was. You can just see the disappointment in her face that he hasn't learned anything and now she will lose the one person she could be herself around. When she first met him she wasn't looking for someone to play Tackfam with but "life", her being disappointed with him obviously was all part of her act, remember she's always acting, to see if he was someone she could "play" with (not in a manipulative way but helpful and encouraging), and he (and obviously the viewers here too) don't seem to have gotten that. And also that he's fooling himself if he thinks him being "real" will help him with everyone else still being "fake". Remember all the progress he has made so far has been by putting up a fake persona.
I think Aoi is a fascinating character, you often get those characters who "groom" someone into being their perfect partner but I don't think "groom" was the right word with her. You have to use her analogy of playing a game, she was someone at "expert" level tutoring a "noob" and they were both having fun "playing" and just when she thought he was advancing to the next "level" he shuts it all down and quits. I felt really bad for her. She's bored it's like being a chess grandmaster and only people who can play checkers are your only opponents. She saw the potential in him (because of how he played Tackfam) that maybe he could get to her level in life too. I don't find her cynical at all as far as her view on people putting up an act, I'd say she's right for the most part, and as far as the show every character so far has proven her right too. So I don't see how she can be criticized for doing exactly what everyone else is doing.

MenchiK1 said:


Wow I'm so surprised this has gone over everyone's head and they are cheering Tomozaki and calling Aoi a bitch. Really? Rewatch two scenes when the blonde confesses to her on the bench and the end where Tomozaki says he doesn't want to be fake any more.
First the bench scene, Aoi pretends to lower her fake persona but in actuality switches to another fake one. Tomozaki notices this, how? He has seen her real personality. Then she explains her basic life philosophy "I think every normal person puts on an act to some extent so we we have to compromise and find that one person we can be our true selves around" (Tomozaki is her one person she is herself around) Blonde guy even says 'I hope someday I get to see it'. That's why she rejected his confession, he only knows "fake" Aoi and she has only known the "fake" him so no point in starting a "fake" relationship. Remember he just confessed he never dates the girls he puts up his act for even though he could since they all fall for it, he's so good at it.
Now go to the bench, Tomozaki tells her I don't want to be fake anymore, and she asks what he means by that and he can't say. She then says "So you're different too" "Your turn is over the second you let go of the controller." Remember her philosophy, she knows everyone puts up a fake personality. When she first met him remember what he did as she was walking away he let loose on how he really felt, she saw he was the "real" Tomozaki he didn't have a fake facade so she decided to help him play "life" by teaching him how to put up that fake personality everyone else does. That's what was holding him back, he was open and honest but mistakenly assumed EVERYONE else was too. Now he comes to her and tells her basically "I don't want to play any more" "I want to be true to myself" basically go back to how he was. You can just see the disappointment in her face that he hasn't learned anything and now she will lose the one person she could be herself around. When she first met him she wasn't looking for someone to play Tackfam with but "life", her being disappointed with him obviously was all part of her act, remember she's always acting, to see if he was someone she could "play" with (not in a manipulative way but helpful and encouraging), and he (and obviously the viewers here too) don't seem to have gotten that. And also that he's fooling himself if he thinks him being "real" will help him with everyone else still being "fake". Remember all the progress he has made so far has been by putting up a fake persona.
I think Aoi is a fascinating character, you often get those characters who "groom" someone into being their perfect partner but I don't think "groom" was the right word with her. You have to use her analogy of playing a game, she was someone at "expert" level tutoring a "noob" and they were both having fun "playing" and just when she thought he was advancing to the next "level" he shuts it all down and quits. I felt really bad for her. She's bored it's like being a chess grandmaster and only people who can play checkers are your only opponents. She saw the potential in him (because of how he played Tackfam) that maybe he could get to her level in life too. I don't find her cynical at all as far as her view on people putting up an act, I'd say she's right for the most part, and as far as the show every character so far has proven her right too. So I don't see how she can be criticized for doing exactly what everyone else is doing.

BetaMaleUltra said:
How are they gonna pull off ending this season with one episode left when the real development just started lol. How long is this series even, is there enough source material left for a season 2

MangaZed said:



Oooh, that's why everyone is so mad, this is what I thought as well. Tomozaki stopping the "Fake Persona" should/will cause him to go back to how he was previously, thus making him a bottom-tier character and the entire show starts all over again.

Criticiza said:
One of the better episodes on the whole, with the student surpassing the teacher. Real question is how the heck did kikuchi not eat her candy apple she bought in the evening until the firework show? Like does this girl not eat or something?

Rytakahashi09 said:
This is Oregairu level of character development and definitely needs more seasons

CDuchess said:
Anyone know what Mizusawa meant when he said “How long are you going to stay on that side?” To Hinami?

k0rvus said:
As someone who had been talking with my friend about Hinami being a literal sociopath for this entire anime, seeing Tomozaki actually call her out for this was truly great. This was my favorite episode just because he finally woke up and addressed how fucked up treating relationships like this as tasks is.

Baakka1602 said:
Very good episode it addressed all the problems I had when I first started like hinamis method of "developing your character".
I mean hinami just assumed that kikuchi was a cute girl so tomozaki would like to have her as his girlfriend (no grudge against kikuchi she's kawaii at) and telling him to confess like some sort of checklist at the end of the day.
Now the student has truly surpassed the teacher and since the beginning my go to ending was a scenario where tomozaki helps out Aoi.
It's not that I don't like Aoi she's pretty Decent even more so now because of her complex and interesting personality.
But mimimi best girl of the show imo

ERROR-88 said:
Hinami was being kind of a bitch ngl. Not only did she break their relationship, but she also asked my mans to return the bag lmao.

Props to Tomozaki for realizing that he wasn't being himself if he kept following her orders. Initially, I like her idea of using these tasks as a way to self-improve, but after seeing him follow her orders during his date with Fuuka, it felt... kinda off.

Now I'm really curious as to what made Hinami this way, she must've gone through some serious shit, is what I'm assuming...

spectrojan said:
Fucking finally, I was waiting for the episode Tomozaki has his realization. Best episode yet, I HOPE we have a second season soon or I might just read the source material. MAL rating still pretty low though, this shit better than SNAFU imo

MugenNoShirayuki said:


You're misunderstanding a crucial thing that this series is saying, though.

Mizusawa doesn't LIKE that he puts on a facade, he ADMIRES Tomozaki for being such a genuine person. This series is validating that Tomozaki's worldview that people SHOULD strive to be genuine and not just put on masks. The problem is, Hinami fundamentally disagrees with him on that principle and because she can't accept him not wanting to put on a mask and be genuine with others, and pursue what he wants because he wants it, she decides he is no longer worth her time and throws him away. The other people are showing their discontent with their facades. We saw it with Mimimi, and we're seeing it with Mizusawa. Through their interactions with Tomozaki, they're coming to terms with the fact that being genuine and heartfelt is important, and when Hinami is given that same opportunity she shoves it back in his face and breaks all ties with him, causing him to feel bad simply for trying to be himself and not become another puppet who only sees people as tools without thinking about genuinely connecting to them. That's why people are calling out Hinami, because Tomozaki is showing the flaws in her reasoning, that people want to connect with others in a genuine way like Fuuka does with him, and that it's not wrong to want that, and rather than consider his point of view she automatically deems him a failure and throws him away like trash.

MangaZed said:



Oooh, that's why everyone is so mad, this is what I thought as well. Tomozaki stopping the "Fake Persona" should/will cause him to go back to how he was previously, thus making him a bottom-tier character and the entire show starts all over again.

MenchiK1 said:


Couldn't disagree more. Of course Mizusawa doesn't like his fake persona, he created it to pick up girls and he's so good at it he's bored because it's too easy. That's why he was attracted to Aoi, she's the only one who doesn't fall for it, that's why she rejected him. He doesn't like the "real" her he doesn't even know the real her she's always been her "fake" self around him even when she pretended to drop it. He improved himself to a certain level then stopped and now he's bored because the "game" is too easy, Aoi is just a challenge he hasn't had in a while and she knows it. She's not attracted to people who aren't continually challenging themselves.
I don't think it's validating Tomozaki at all, did you already forget the whole MImimi thing with the short girl, it was Aoi who was the one who saw what was really going on and helped them. It's Aoi trying to hook these two up on this trip because they can't admit they like each other. No one can get past their facade without Aoi's help, including Tomozaki. His brooding cynical facade at the beginning, as we've seen since, wasn't the real him, and who is the only one who saw that? Aoi. You claim people are coming to terms with being genuine because of Tomozaki? Uhh no Tomozaki is only interacting with these people because of Aoi and Mimimi is still putting on her playful, happy facade even though she isn't really happy. We saw the genuine Mimimi, she failed and went back to her fake persona.
As for Fuuka we still don't know much about her other than Tomozaki isn't really into her. Watch what he says about talking to her again, yes she found it easier to talk to him but he had to admit there was more awkward silence, it was stilted and clumsy and "It didn't go so well". And he admits what Mizusawa said got to him. She then tries to explain don't be misled by some thing that doesn't exist like "what I really want" and not being able to move forward. She tells him don't fall for it "what I really want" is actually 'what's best for me AT THE MOMENT' and will distract him from ever doing anything really productive. Then she calls him out and he can't explain what he really even means, and tells him abandoning his goals means he's abandoning his personal development. "You've given up on progress" "Your turn is over the second you let go of the controller" Aoi thought she found someone who wanted to make something of themselves, like she does, he just basically told her he doesn't. He has become Mizusawa, someone who stopped progressing.
Tackfam is a metaphor for what's going on, Aoi was lying when she first met him and said she was disappointed. She wasn't she saw someone like her who made plans, set goals and made himself better until he was the best at Tackfam like she did at "life" so she knew with her translating the rules and helping to set the goals to get better he could reach her "level". But now right after getting above "noob" he's basically saying 'this is good enough no reason to go any further' (I can talk to Fuuka easy, game over that will work on everybody else won't it? She knows he will just become bored like Mizusawa is now). She's crushed, all that work for nothing and realizing she was wrong about him. It's no fun being at a master level in a game and having no one else at your skill level to play with.

MugenNoShirayuki said:


Okay, there's a lot here I was prepared to unpack, but the minute you said that Tomozaki "isn't into" Fuuka I decided not to bother because it became clear you aren't watching what's on the screen, just absorbing and twisting the things that validate your own preconceptions.

Tomozaki does like Fuuka. You can tell, because he shows genuine joy just being in her presence, and the prospect of going on a second date with her in episode 9 made him excited. Read the LNs. It's a lot more clear what his position is on everything.

MenchiK1 said:


I saw him have a chance to confess to her and passed. It's obvious he "likes" her just that he doesn't "like, like" her. I'm not here to discuss the LN's just the anime.