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May 25, 2014 12:07 AM

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The way Shaft animated Nisekoi pissed me off a little. On the one hand, it wouldn't be this successful without their sparkly flashy animation, and it did look good....

But then it got TOO sparkly. They poured all animation budget into adding sparkles EVERYWHERE. The water in that episode where Chitoge and Raku are on the beach at night arguing, they added massive sparkles on the water when it was meant to be WATER AT NIGHT. It ended up looking fucking stupid.

In the last episode during the Rome and Juliet play they put sparkles everywhere even coming out of character's arses, yet they had to use still screens on the after party scene. People were talking and there was no movement whatsoever. The last scene with Onodera looked really nice though, none of that sparkles shit, it was fluid and the background looked nice. So massive inconsistency there.

Also every time a character does that stupid head tilt I wanna punch them in the face. It serves no purpose other than to remind you it's made by Shaft.

They have a huge budget but don't know what to do with it. I haven't seen Monogatari series but I've watched Madoka and I love the animation in that. Especially the movies. I wish they would do more animation like that. Then again, Shaft style probably suited Madoka perfectly. The fact is, not everything looks good "Shafted". Nisekoi probably needed the Shaft style but they went over the top with it imo.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I was really looking forward to Nisekoi but now I don't even want a S2, waste of time go work more Madoka magic shaft or better yet kizumono. Shaft+romcom is just not a good match imo.

lol.so you guys dont want a season2 just because of sparkles? i would advise you to change your standards,few sparkles is not enough to make an anime bad,i didnt even pay attention to those sparkles :S.
May 25, 2014 12:18 AM

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Actually, besides the first episode, I thought Shaft did a good job of not "Shafting" it up to much. Though the slow motion zoom in thing is still annoying as hell, but I think they did a good adaptation of it. All the character animations were well done and didn't stay static for too long during conversations.

I can almost guarantee that if J.C. Staff adapted it, I would have gotten bored halfway through.
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May 25, 2014 12:22 AM

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I just feel awkward looking at their backgrounds
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May 25, 2014 4:14 PM

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well, pretty much all manga readers (myself included) will say that nisekoi is cliched harem romcom. seriously.

the only thing setting this different from the other rom coms is the animation. and so far i havent seen a major flaw in the SHAFT style.
okay, for some people the head tilts and sparkling can be annoying, i can understand. but is it ruining the anime? no.

and people complaining about the reaction faces... you know what? the main selling point of the manga is not the story. it is just another romcom with nothing really setting different.
is it the characters? no, they are you typical arc types (the tsundere, the kudere etc.)
is it the speech? naw hell no.

what is it then? yes, you guessed it right, it is their reactions. seriously, i am only reading this manga waiting for it to finish, with occasional roaring laughter from the reaction faces.
further faces incoming? yes please
scary onodera: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/144716/nisekoi_ch53_by_imperial-scans/6
raging ruri and shocked raku: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/152981/nisekoi_ch58_by_mto/12
depressed chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/153547/nisekoi_ch59_by_mto/6
drunk chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/160278/nisekoi_ch65_by_mto/10
funny rage face: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/175932/nisekoi_ch77_by_red-hawk-scans/3
first and second planel: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/246113/nisekoi_ch123_by_red-hawk-scans/3
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May 25, 2014 7:33 PM

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Urek said:
well, pretty much all manga readers (myself included) will say that nisekoi is cliched harem romcom. seriously.

the only thing setting this different from the other rom coms is the animation. and so far i havent seen a major flaw in the SHAFT style.
okay, for some people the head tilts and sparkling can be annoying, i can understand. but is it ruining the anime? no.

and people complaining about the reaction faces... you know what? the main selling point of the manga is not the story. it is just another romcom with nothing really setting different.
is it the characters? no, they are you typical arc types (the tsundere, the kudere etc.)
is it the speech? naw hell no.

what is it then? yes, you guessed it right, it is their reactions. seriously, i am only reading this manga waiting for it to finish, with occasional roaring laughter from the reaction faces.
further faces incoming? yes please
scary onodera: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/144716/nisekoi_ch53_by_imperial-scans/6
raging ruri and shocked raku: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/152981/nisekoi_ch58_by_mto/12
depressed chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/153547/nisekoi_ch59_by_mto/6
drunk chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/160278/nisekoi_ch65_by_mto/10
funny rage face: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/175932/nisekoi_ch77_by_red-hawk-scans/3
first and second planel: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/246113/nisekoi_ch123_by_red-hawk-scans/3
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May 25, 2014 9:33 PM

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Pain_is_love said:
Urek said:
well, pretty much all manga readers (myself included) will say that nisekoi is cliched harem romcom. seriously.

the only thing setting this different from the other rom coms is the animation. and so far i havent seen a major flaw in the SHAFT style.
okay, for some people the head tilts and sparkling can be annoying, i can understand. but is it ruining the anime? no.

and people complaining about the reaction faces... you know what? the main selling point of the manga is not the story. it is just another romcom with nothing really setting different.
is it the characters? no, they are you typical arc types (the tsundere, the kudere etc.)
is it the speech? naw hell no.

what is it then? yes, you guessed it right, it is their reactions. seriously, i am only reading this manga waiting for it to finish, with occasional roaring laughter from the reaction faces.
further faces incoming? yes please
scary onodera: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/144716/nisekoi_ch53_by_imperial-scans/6
raging ruri and shocked raku: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/152981/nisekoi_ch58_by_mto/12
depressed chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/153547/nisekoi_ch59_by_mto/6
drunk chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/160278/nisekoi_ch65_by_mto/10
funny rage face: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/175932/nisekoi_ch77_by_red-hawk-scans/3
first and second planel: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/246113/nisekoi_ch123_by_red-hawk-scans/3
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Jun 6, 2014 4:33 AM

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I didn't like it at first, but then watching Mekaku, they did tone down their style on Nisekoi and I think it was pretty good in the end. Though I do still hold that a studio should not put that much of their own influence on a work, .... I guess are more extreme example of what I am trying to say is evil flowers, it was competent work on its own with dark themes and a nice senien drawing style, then the studio gets it, makes it rotoscoped, and I felt like any impact of the work was lost due to the changing of the style.

I mean I think they thought the rotoscope would enhance it, but I thought it took away from the dark themes of flowers because I was too distracted by the change. It basically was not an adaption of the work imo, but something completely different.

In that sense this sort of happened with Nisekoi because like someone said its a standard harem, while most of the other shaft works are kind of nuts to begin with, so the shaft style blends in with the work and does not feel like a change.
Jun 6, 2014 1:34 PM

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I am butthurt user of MAL #1. I dislike SHAFT and it's animation quality, but I watch SHAFT shows anyway. Yes, I knew this is a SHAFT show. Yes, this show is bad simply because SHAFT.

I am butthurt user of MAL #2. I think Nisekoi as a manga is boring or generic. But I think Shaft is bad for trying to make it different.

I am butthurt user of MAL #3. I hate Nisekoi because it isn't Madoka or Bakemono.

I am butthurt user of MAL #4. I hate harem romcoms but I watched Nisekoi anyways. I am here to say that.

I am butthurt used of MAL #5. I hate SHAFT. I think JC staff should have animated this. Yes, I'm retarded.

Decent user of MAL #6. I didn't like Nisekoi because the animation isn't up to my preference along with etc. etc.
Jun 6, 2014 3:55 PM

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I like Shaft's animation, but they need to calm down on the amount of different camera angles and such they have. It gets SUPER annoying watching that in an anime. I really liked it back then in my first Shaft anime(Bakemonogatari), but after many other seasons and now Nisekoi, I am tired of it. They just need to calm their shit, and I'll be happy.
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Jun 6, 2014 4:43 PM

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Udgey said:
I am butthurt user of MAL #1. I dislike SHAFT and it's animation quality, but I watch SHAFT shows anyway. Yes, I knew this is a SHAFT show. Yes, this show is bad simply because SHAFT.

I am butthurt user of MAL #2. I think Nisekoi as a manga is boring or generic. But I think Shaft is bad for trying to make it different.

I am butthurt user of MAL #3. I hate Nisekoi because it isn't Madoka or Bakemono.

I am butthurt user of MAL #4. I hate harem romcoms but I watched Nisekoi anyways. I am here to say that.

I am butthurt used of MAL #5. I hate SHAFT. I think JC staff should have animated this. Yes, I'm retarded.

Decent user of MAL #6. I didn't like Nisekoi because the animation isn't up to my preference along with etc. etc.


Some of your arguments are kind paradoxical. 1 and 6 are contradictory. You have a problem with someone watching the show because they like the underlying work and then complaining about the style, but 6 says I didn't like because of the style. Great argument there.

Also using terms like butthurt really hurts any credibility you would have anyway. So people don't like something, and this somehow makes it okay for you to use what is essentially an anti-gay comment. Tacit is not your strong suit.

I will agree it makes no sense to watch Nisekoi if you don't like romance or harem, and it also makes no sense to watch an anime of something that you thought the manga was boring or generic. But I see no problem with people gripping about them changing the tone/style.

And its only naturally you would compare one work from a production company to another. And it would also make sense to suggest another company, if you are voicing a complaint. Just saying I hate studio shaft brings nothing to the table, but suggesting another production company has a style that better fits the work is a sound suggestion.


For the record I like shaft, I thought Nisekoi ended up being a fun ride, and I hate Madoka, and think its one of the most overrated works since.....well animation began in the early 1900s.
Jun 6, 2014 5:48 PM

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krownklown said:
Udgey said:
I am butthurt user of MAL #1. I dislike SHAFT and it's animation quality, but I watch SHAFT shows anyway. Yes, I knew this is a SHAFT show. Yes, this show is bad simply because SHAFT.

I am butthurt user of MAL #2. I think Nisekoi as a manga is boring or generic. But I think Shaft is bad for trying to make it different.

I am butthurt user of MAL #3. I hate Nisekoi because it isn't Madoka or Bakemono.

I am butthurt user of MAL #4. I hate harem romcoms but I watched Nisekoi anyways. I am here to say that.

I am butthurt used of MAL #5. I hate SHAFT. I think JC staff should have animated this. Yes, I'm retarded.

Decent user of MAL #6. I didn't like Nisekoi because the animation isn't up to my preference along with etc. etc.


Some of your arguments are kind paradoxical. 1 and 6 are contradictory. You have a problem with someone watching the show because they like the underlying work and then complaining about the style, but 6 says I didn't like because of the style. Great argument there.

Also using terms like butthurt really hurts any credibility you would have anyway. So people don't like something, and this somehow makes it okay for you to use what is essentially an anti-gay comment. Tacit is not your strong suit.

I will agree it makes no sense to watch Nisekoi if you don't like romance or harem, and it also makes no sense to watch an anime of something that you thought the manga was boring or generic. But I see no problem with people gripping about them changing the tone/style.

And its only naturally you would compare one work from a production company to another. And it would also make sense to suggest another company, if you are voicing a complaint. Just saying I hate studio shaft brings nothing to the table, but suggesting another production company has a style that better fits the work is a sound suggestion.


For the record I like shaft, I thought Nisekoi ended up being a fun ride, and I hate Madoka, and think its one of the most overrated works since.....well animation began in the early 1900s.
you both are equally wrong and right at the same time
Jun 6, 2014 6:40 PM

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Urek said:
well, pretty much all manga readers (myself included) will say that nisekoi is cliched harem romcom. seriously.

the only thing setting this different from the other rom coms is the animation. and so far i havent seen a major flaw in the SHAFT style.
okay, for some people the head tilts and sparkling can be annoying, i can understand. but is it ruining the anime? no.

and people complaining about the reaction faces... you know what? the main selling point of the manga is not the story. it is just another romcom with nothing really setting different.
is it the characters? no, they are you typical arc types (the tsundere, the kudere etc.)
is it the speech? naw hell no.

what is it then? yes, you guessed it right, it is their reactions. seriously, i am only reading this manga waiting for it to finish, with occasional roaring laughter from the reaction faces.
further faces incoming? yes please
scary onodera: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/144716/nisekoi_ch53_by_imperial-scans/6
raging ruri and shocked raku: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/152981/nisekoi_ch58_by_mto/12
depressed chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/153547/nisekoi_ch59_by_mto/6
drunk chitoge: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/160278/nisekoi_ch65_by_mto/10
funny rage face: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/175932/nisekoi_ch77_by_red-hawk-scans/3
first and second planel: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/246113/nisekoi_ch123_by_red-hawk-scans/3

I'd actually say its not the reactions perse, but the art in general and the close-ups to the faces. The reactions tend to get way too overdone, and I can't even fathom the amount blushing.
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*skips over all posts with monagatari images because they are odviously all for shaft*

I am a massive anime fan and have watched almost everything of the most recent years and others 300-400 animes and hundreds of manga two of the manga I have read and anticipated an anime of "nisekoi","Kagerou Project, /days" and found that there were full of these stupidly retarded head turns why woul you do that you looking right at her don't turn away you fuck why is it so close to his face >,> he has tear ducts k.... And THEN all the fucking retarded moments and changing backgrounds why do you need to do this. I really wanted to see kagerou in anime form Ooh buttt it haaaad to be shaft I tried to watch this but I died during the first episode then revied in the second and threw up till I died again.

I hate shaft they ruin some of my faves I stab them (thankfully these are the only ones thou)
rant over.
Dec 25, 2014 1:42 PM

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IZUMI64 said:
Just watched the first ep.
Been waiting this series to be animated, (not much) but slightly disappointed with the animation style.
of course I understand, it's not that "mind-fucked" style as Monogatari or Zetsubou sensei.
But I wish they just go with normal animation/background/scenery...

It IS pretty normal for a (modern) shaft.
I think the animation style it one of the things that keeps me watching this show.
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Dec 25, 2014 10:44 PM

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Love Shaft and their unique art style. But I hate this show, I complain about all the story flaws while I struggle to make it through each episode. If the art wasn't good, I would have dropped this show. Shaft apparently ruined Nisekoi, considering the fact that the manga isn't complete trash.






Dec 29, 2014 2:34 AM

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The animation was great. Nisekoi wouldn't be as good as it is right now without the very special and unique way of animation. They kept it easy aswell; no exaggeration at all! And that's pretty smart of Shaft.
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I agree with op ,the Shaft style animation is kinda turn off for me .

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I like shafts animation, it's a breath of fresh air. I like the flashy scenes where there are coloured backgrounds and sparkles like when Chitoge put that ribbon/bow on Tsugami.
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Shaft studio has def ruined the anime. Its just adding uncessary scenes

I really wish, A1 pictures, or JC staff would of adapted it.

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-Miku_Meister- said:
Shaft studio has def ruined the anime. Its just adding uncessary scenes

I really wish, A1 pictures, or JC staff would of adapted it.
on the contrary it makes it special compared to regular anime. Wish shaft made more anime like this
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IfIspeak said:
-Miku_Meister- said:
Shaft studio has def ruined the anime. Its just adding uncessary scenes

I really wish, A1 pictures, or JC staff would of adapted it.
on the contrary it makes it special compared to regular anime. Wish shaft made more anime like this


I disagree, its just uncessary and would be better of spending on the story screentime

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