[poll] Who is more idealistically mature - Shirou or Kiritsugu

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Just wondering how many of those Kiritsugu votes (49 atm) actually understood the question asked in the poll.

52 now, and it's going to keep increasing. When you have a badass longcoat, a gun and a cigarette, you're instantly more mature :/

Apr 9, 2015 2:17 AM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Just wondering how many of those Kiritsugu votes (49 atm) actually understood the question asked in the poll.

But dont you know, Shirou does not think is dense, screams and stumbles on his own feet, while Kiritsugu stands around with long coat and kills people and looks thoughtful.

Apr 9, 2015 2:26 AM

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CookingPriest said:

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Just wondering how many of those Kiritsugu votes (49 atm) actually understood the question asked in the poll.

But dont you know, Shirou does not think is dense, screams and stumbles on his own feet, while Kiritsugu stands around with long coat and kills people and looks thoughtful.

finally someone who understands it

Apr 9, 2015 2:31 AM

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As much as it is battle of the retards, Kiritsugu kinda has the raw stick of being built reverse off Shirou's character.

So for Fate/zero butcher had to write a character with an even more underdeveloped ideal than prologue Shirou's. But I guess he got a gun and stubble so that makes up for it apparently.

Apr 9, 2015 2:32 AM

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Jesus Christ.

Praland said:
Long coats and killing people makes you more mature, so Kerry.

He it's also an adult, which makes him inherently more mature and cool.

chat77 said:
Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life.

bluntRespect said:

chat77 said:
Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life.

Z4k said:
Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and he kills people.

Theorder14 said:

Z4k said:
Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and kills people.

You forgot *cheating on his wife*

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
And in anime forums if you smoke, wear a coat, commit adultery or kill people you are a badass.......so that doesn't really matter.

So how many Kenny fans can actually defend his ideals or his outlook?

Maloghurst said:
and shirou is a shitty character because he didn't "9 bullet revolver" her ay through everything?

Tehqo said:
The long coat gives bonus points.

MightyM16 said:
Kiritsugu obviously

Everyone knows being edgy = mature
and Kiritsugu is the supreme edgy lord of these series

...besides he has guns unlike shirou who has to use shitty swords instead and guns are totally more mature than swords am I right?

Flawless logic is flawless

OneTrueEmiya said:
52 now, and it's going to keep increasing. When you have a badass longcoat, a gun and a cigarette, you're instantly more mature :/

Cancer

EDIT: I'm sorry, I can't even keep up with the cancer:

WrongPriest said:
So for Fate/zero butcher had to write a character with an even more underdeveloped ideal than prologue Shirou's. But I guess he got a gun and stubble so that makes up for it apparently.

Apr 9, 2015 2:34 AM

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Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

Praland said:
Long coats and killing people makes you more mature, so Kerry.

He it's also an adult, which makes him inherently more mature and cool.

chat77 said:
Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life.

bluntRespect said:

Z4k said:
Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and he kills people.

Theorder14 said:

You forgot *cheating on his wife*

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
And in anime forums if you smoke, wear a coat, commit adultery or kill people you are a badass.......so that doesn't really matter.

So how many Kenny fans can actually defend his ideals or his outlook?

Maloghurst said:
and shirou is a shitty character because he didn't "9 bullet revolver" her ay through everything?

Tehqo said:
The long coat gives bonus points.

MightyM16 said:
Kiritsugu obviously

Everyone knows being edgy = mature
and Kiritsugu is the supreme edgy lord of these series

...besides he has guns unlike shirou who has to use shitty swords instead and guns are totally more mature than swords am I right?

Flawless logic is flawless

OneTrueEmiya said:
52 now, and it's going to keep increasing. When you have a badass longcoat, a gun and a cigarette, you're instantly more mature :/

Cancer

EDIT: I'm sorry, I can't even keep up with the cancer:

WrongPriest said:
So for Fate/zero butcher had to write a character with an even more underdeveloped ideal than prologue Shirou's. But I guess he got a gun and stubble so that makes up for it apparently.

truth

Apr 9, 2015 2:47 AM

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Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

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WrongPriest said:
So for Fate/zero butcher had to write a character with an even more underdeveloped ideal than prologue Shirou's. But I guess he got a gun and stubble so that makes up for it apparently.

Fixed.

Apr 9, 2015 2:51 AM

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chat77 said:

Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

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truth

Yep. Nothing screams mature more than a good smoke and a good ol' pistol.

Apr 9, 2015 2:55 AM

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All these nostalgic fags tryin' to hit at Emiya's swag. /

Apr 9, 2015 3:06 AM

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iravuseiba said:

FlamepriesT said:

Reading the Infinity series much?

Don't know what that is. Google search returned with multiple different results. Is it any good though?

I'm wondering what he means also. Is it Marvel Comics infinity series?

Apr 9, 2015 3:59 AM

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Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

Praland said:
Long coats and killing people makes you more mature, so Kerry.

He it's also an adult, which makes him inherently more mature and cool.

chat77 said:
Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life.

bluntRespect said:

Z4k said:
Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and he kills people.

Theorder14 said:

You forgot *cheating on his wife*

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
And in anime forums if you smoke, wear a coat, commit adultery or kill people you are a badass.......so that doesn't really matter.

So how many Kenny fans can actually defend his ideals or his outlook?

Maloghurst said:
and shirou is a shitty character because he didn't "9 bullet revolver" her ay through everything?

Tehqo said:
The long coat gives bonus points.

MightyM16 said:
Kiritsugu obviously

Everyone knows being edgy = mature
and Kiritsugu is the supreme edgy lord of these series

...besides he has guns unlike shirou who has to use shitty swords instead and guns are totally more mature than swords am I right?

Flawless logic is flawless

OneTrueEmiya said:
52 now, and it's going to keep increasing. When you have a badass longcoat, a gun and a cigarette, you're instantly more mature :/

Cancer

EDIT: I'm sorry, I can't even keep up with the cancer:

WrongPriest said:
So for Fate/zero butcher had to write a character with an even more underdeveloped ideal than prologue Shirou's. But I guess he got a gun and stubble so that makes up for it apparently.

Preach brother, this circlejerk is getting way out of hand. I get that fans are tired of people bashing shirou by comparing him to his daddy, but kiritsugu is a great character and doesn't deserve this amount of flak.

Just wait for shirou's character arc to play out in animated form so the haters can see that he's just as worthy a protagonist as his dad. Shitting on kerry or claiming that people are just into him because he's an edgy anti-hero isn't helping.

Apr 9, 2015 4:09 AM

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While i agree the UBW Shirou is the most Sane, don't forget he wasn't put in a Situation like HF Shirou.

The Problem with UBW Shirou is, while he knows and accepts that he can't save ever, he still tries. It could be good, but he could also nuke the whole world while he tries to do that. And we won't know what he will do in certain situations.

It's a probelm i have with ubw in general, while it says that no future is certain, and that living that way isn't wrong, it doesn't answer questions involving the ideal and close/loved ones. HF does that, in more ways then one.

Apr 9, 2015 4:12 AM

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KamiCity said:

iravuseiba said:

Don't know what that is. Google search returned with multiple different results. Is it any good though?

I'm wondering what he means also. Is it Marvel Comics infinity series?

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Williwod said:

Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

Preach brother, this circlejerk is getting way out of hand. I get that fans are tired of people bashing shirou by comparing him to his daddy, but kiritsugu is a great character and doesn't deserve this amount of flak.

Just wait for shirou's character arc to play out in animated form so the haters can see that he's just as worthy a protagonist as his dad. Shitting on kerry or claiming that people are just into him because he's an edgy anti-hero isn't helping.

C'mon, av a bit of joke. This isn't legitimate criticism, just a bit of a forum meme.

Apr 9, 2015 4:20 AM

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WrongPriest said:

C'mon, av a bit of joke. This isn't legitimate criticism, just a bit of a forum meme.

^This. Also, I love how Kerry now comes to mind when I see the word "edgy"~

Apr 9, 2015 4:36 AM

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WrongPriest said:

KamiCity said:

I'm wondering what he means also. Is it Marvel Comics infinity series?

Never 7
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Williwod said:

Preach brother, this circlejerk is getting way out of hand. I get that fans are tired of people bashing shirou by comparing him to his daddy, but kiritsugu is a great character and doesn't deserve this amount of flak.

Just wait for shirou's character arc to play out in animated form so the haters can see that he's just as worthy a protagonist as his dad. Shitting on kerry or claiming that people are just into him because he's an edgy anti-hero isn't helping.

C'mon, av a bit of joke. This isn't legitimate criticism, just a bit of a forum meme.

Well some users seem to use it jokingly, but a lot of it appears to be legitimate, at least from where I'm standing. Especially when I see comments saying that the only reason people are voting for kerry is because they're misunderstanding the question, I have to conclude that the hate is real.

Apr 9, 2015 4:41 AM

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Williwod said:

WrongPriest said:

Never 7
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Series of VN's by KID, very good if you can be bothered going through them all.

Williwod said:

Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

Preach brother, this circlejerk is getting way out of hand. I get that fans are tired of people bashing shirou by comparing him to his daddy, but kiritsugu is a great character and doesn't deserve this amount of flak.

Just wait for shirou's character arc to play out in animated form so the haters can see that he's just as worthy a protagonist as his dad. Shitting on kerry or claiming that people are just into him because he's an edgy anti-hero isn't helping.

C'mon, av a bit of joke. This isn't legitimate criticism, just a bit of a forum meme.

Well some users seem to use it jokingly, but a lot of it appears to be legitimate, at least from where I'm standing. Especially when I see comments saying that the only reason people are voting for kerry is because they're misunderstanding the question, I have to conclude that the hate is real.

Join us over in that other thread, where the hate is truly real~

Apr 9, 2015 4:54 AM

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Williwod said:

Well some users seem to use it jokingly, but a lot of it appears to be legitimate, at least from where I'm standing. Especially when I see comments saying that the only reason people are voting for kerry is because they're misunderstanding the question, I have to conclude that the hate is real.

They're all just tired of defending porn games. They all loved fate/zero as much as the next bloke when it came out. It just all turns to salt after constant "why u no fate/zero" threads.

I'm over it, and it seems all the F/Z watchers are too. Just waiting for everyone else to catch up.

Apr 9, 2015 5:16 AM

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WrongPriest said:

Williwod said:

Well some users seem to use it jokingly, but a lot of it appears to be legitimate, at least from where I'm standing. Especially when I see comments saying that the only reason people are voting for kerry is because they're misunderstanding the question, I have to conclude that the hate is real.

They're all just tired of defending porn games. They all loved fate/zero as much as the next bloke when it came out. It just all turns to salt after constant "why u no fate/zero" threads.

I'm over it, and it seems all the F/Z watchers are too. Just waiting for everyone else to catch up.

Always found it amusing that F/SN gets shit for being in a less-renowned medium when fate/zero was originally a light novel.

Well, it certainly is a sorry state of affairs. Hopefully the counter-guardians of mal will eventually realise that unlike real counter-guardians they are not bound to eternal conflict and can stop whenever they please to pursue better things.

Apr 9, 2015 5:24 AM

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Williwod said:

WrongPriest said:

They're all just tired of defending porn games. They all loved fate/zero as much as the next bloke when it came out. It just all turns to salt after constant "why u no fate/zero" threads.

I'm over it, and it seems all the F/Z watchers are too. Just waiting for everyone else to catch up.

Always found it amusing that F/SN gets shit for being in a less-renowned medium when fate/zero was originally a light novel.

Well, it certainly is a sorry state of affairs. Hopefully the counter-guardians of mal will eventually realise that unlike real counter-guardians they are not bound to eternal conflict and can stop whenever they please to pursue better things.

I've tried personally, this hell hole keeps dragging me back like the massive bowl of cocaine that it is.

Perhaps this is the fate of a priest.

Apr 9, 2015 5:31 AM

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WrongPriest said:

Williwod said:

Always found it amusing that F/SN gets shit for being in a less-renowned medium when fate/zero was originally a light novel.

Well, it certainly is a sorry state of affairs. Hopefully the counter-guardians of mal will eventually realise that unlike real counter-guardians they are not bound to eternal conflict and can stop whenever they please to pursue better things.

I've tried personally, this hell hole keeps dragging me back like the massive bowl of cocaine that it is.

Perhaps this is the fate of a priest.

T'is the fate of a hero of justice as well, to fight in a hopeless war. It's both sad and amusing that the sub-forum's activity is mostly due to salt and SN hate...

Apr 9, 2015 5:52 AM

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Williwod said:

Lollo36 said:
Jesus Christ.

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Preach brother, this circlejerk is getting way out of hand. I get that fans are tired of people bashing shirou by comparing him to his daddy, but kiritsugu is a great character and doesn't deserve this amount of flak.

Just wait for shirou's character arc to play out in animated form so the haters can see that he's just as worthy a protagonist as his dad. Shitting on kerry or claiming that people are just into him because he's an edgy anti-hero isn't helping.

these are just the hardcore VN fans and damm they get defensive over their Shirou and bash Kerry for no real reason

Kerry will always be more popular than Shirou folks
get over it
And he is also a great character who is a lot more than an "edgelord" just like Shirou is more than a typical Harem/shounen boy

Contrary to the VN fans here I will admit that at least and be fair

Apr 9, 2015 5:54 AM

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hese are just the hardcore VN fans and damm they get defensive over their Shirou and bash Kerry for no real reason

Kerry will always be more popular than Shirou folks
get over it
And he is also a great character who is a lot more than an "edgelord" just like Shirou is more than a typical Harem/shounen boy

Contrary to the VN fans here I will admit that at least and be fair

Try a bit harder.

Apr 9, 2015 5:55 AM

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>_> And that gives you credibility? Like your past 10 posts have been kiritsugu fanboy overflow

Anyway why is GARcher not in the poll?

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Apr 9, 2015 5:55 AM

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That really doesn't help, Chat.

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ijuka said:
>_> And that gives you credibility? Like your past 10 posts have been kiritsugu fanboy overflow

Anyway why is GARcher not in the poll?

Because its spoiler..:P

Apr 9, 2015 5:56 AM

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Shirou is just "borrowing Kiritsugu's ideals", as Archer said. And Kerry believed in his ideals until the end, to the point of giving up his life with his wife and daughter for the good of the world. For me, Kerry is much more mature than Shirou.

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Apr 9, 2015 5:57 AM

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WrongPriest said:
That really doesn't help, Chat.

Its kind of hypocritical for him to call out on some people defending Shirou while at the same time he does the same for Kiritsugu

Apr 9, 2015 6:00 AM

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chat77 said:

WrongPriest said:
That really doesn't help, Chat.

Its kind of hypocritical for him to call out on some people defending Shirou while at the same time he does the same for Kiritsugu

Yeah but at least I can still see that Shirou has depth
I don't go in and say that people only like him because he has a harem or whatever

I have no problem with people defending shirou but saying Kerry is only liked because of his edgy traits (and that he is no character outside that) is just silly

Apr 9, 2015 6:03 AM

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Journey_95 said:

chat77 said:

Its kind of hypocritical for him to call out on some people defending Shirou while at the same time he does the same for Kiritsugu

Yeah but at least I can still see that Shirou has depth
I don't go in and say that people only like him because he has a harem or whatever

I have no problem with people defending shirou but saying Kerry is only liked because of his edgy traits is just silly

I understand your viewpoint but that is the general mentality of people for making him a bigger "badass"...thats why you will see those point being reiterated time and again.

Apr 9, 2015 6:04 AM

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>this thread isn't rip yet

shame on you guys

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Apr 9, 2015 6:15 AM

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ManakaRikka said:
Shirou is just "borrowing Kiritsugu's ideals", as Archer said. And Kerry believed in his ideals until the end, to the point of giving up his life with his wife and daughter for the good of the world. For me, Kerry is much more mature than Shirou.

except you missed the entire bit on how he was trying to rewrite the world to end world conflict without any real thought as to how this was gonna be done. kiritsugu was trying to take the easy way out on something that wa completely naive and impossible to begin with. there is nothing in this world that has been proven to be omnipotant and if TYPE-Mercury or hell NOTES was anything to go by then it's clear that even the will of the world itself is not even omnipotent.

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