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Tensho said: Okay, I did feel this episode was running a bit too fast especially when it's going through the drama. The comedic moment at the start was refreshing though, and the main story is there, but the pacing needs to slow for it to have a greater impact, at least towards me. Though I must say, after the episode sinks in, they did cover quite a bit & clearly the narrative is well written. True. Maybe this fast pacing is only on this arc, at least and I hope. |
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TheFactSheet said: Sigh naturally... little busters VN players will protect and say the anime is good because that's what they think... but how about those who doesnt have any idea what little busters is? as a NOOB on the little busters, we dont know about the story, (and we are not lame enough to spoil ourselves read the story on wikipedia) so we have been looking for the STORY, the point of everything, the reason why we should stay and watch. and now just as when there's finally some sort of story and character progression (though between the two), it ended within just 1 episode. (now that's RUSHED). so you cant blame if we talked about disappointed about the adaptation. clannad hooked NOOBS like me on episode 3 (some ever since the start on that anime) why cant little busters do that? there must be reason... THOUGH, its indeed wrong to blame JC staff for the failure. they have been rocking on sakurasou no pet na kanojo. so its either the staff JC staff/key placed to head the production who is doing the mistake. the pro anime folks on 2ch also pointed this out. LB's pacing is so slow than Clannad though more or less I get it why they are rushing things out on Komari's arc. It's just they are still not yet finished in the Common Route. Probably JC Staff thought they can't hook the non-VN player viewers by just showing the Common Route so they insert Komari's arc for starters. |
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TheFactSheet said: Sa-chan_ said: Tensho said: Okay, I did feel this episode was running a bit too fast especially when it's going through the drama. The comedic moment at the start was refreshing though, and the main story is there, but the pacing needs to slow for it to have a greater impact, at least towards me. Though I must say, after the episode sinks in, they did cover quite a bit & clearly the narrative is well written. True. Maybe this fast pacing is only on this arc, at least and I hope. nothing wrong with hoping... what will happen if it was rushed again for the next arc? Don't know about the next arc but this series is 26 episodes for a reason. |
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TheFactSheet said: Sa-chan_ said: Tensho said: Okay, I did feel this episode was running a bit too fast especially when it's going through the drama. The comedic moment at the start was refreshing though, and the main story is there, but the pacing needs to slow for it to have a greater impact, at least towards me. Though I must say, after the episode sinks in, they did cover quite a bit & clearly the narrative is well written. True. Maybe this fast pacing is only on this arc, at least and I hope. nothing wrong with hoping... what will happen if it was rushed again for the next arc? Better rushing than getting another Tsukihime anime amirite |
TheFactSheet said: and now just as when there's finally some sort of story and character progression (though between the two), it ended within just 1 episode. what the hell are you talking about? 1 episode? this is obviously continuing on to the next episode. |
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| Well, Komari's route is being animated fine. Honestly, I don't understand why people don't like Komari. Sure, her voice is kinda... irritating but the character isn't bad, although a little swallow. I wonder what J.C. Staff will do after Komari's route finishes. |
Linkark07 said: Well, Komari's route is being animated fine. Honestly, I don't understand why people don't like Komari. Sure, her voice is kinda... irritating but the character isn't bad, although a little swallow. I wonder what J.C. Staff will do after Komari's route finishes. I think you forgotten Nishizono. She has yet to be introduce. :D |
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Sa-chan_ said: Linkark07 said: Well, Komari's route is being animated fine. Honestly, I don't understand why people don't like Komari. Sure, her voice is kinda... irritating but the character isn't bad, although a little swallow. I wonder what J.C. Staff will do after Komari's route finishes. I think you forgotten Nishizono. She has yet to be introduce. :D Can't wait until Mio |
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| Aside from cuts in train dejavu and "I could saved the cat if I act faster", this is a good start for the Komari drama. Too bad rumors said we only have one more episode for Komari... Also, please don't put too many nested spoiler on unrelated things, guys. I would love to see more trap Riki, but putting it in separated thread would be better. |
Linkark07 said: Honestly, I don't understand why people don't like Komari. Sure, her voice is kinda... irritating but the character isn't bad, although a little swallow. If it helps, I like her! Actually, I love her to bits and pieces. She's my second favorite girl. I mean, she's so optimistic and happy and loves her friends. And she and Rin interacting and doing cute friend-type things is the cutest thing ever. I can understand why people don't like her voice (although I personally don't mind it, except for, for some reason, her crying during her breakdown), but she has such a sweet personality! I guess it all just comes down to tastes. |
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| So Komari had a brother who died and it was such a big shock for Komari forgot everything about him, her parents don't want her do be sad so they told her she never had a brother in the first place. She must have really liked her brother. The falling star scene was pretty nice and Komari reaction when she thought she was caught for leaving school grounds at night was pretty funny. |
Aversa said: So Komari had a brother who died and it was such a big shock for Komari forgot everything about him, her parents don't want her do be sad so they told her she never had a brother in the first place. She must have really liked her brother. The falling star scene was pretty nice and Komari reaction when she thought she was caught for leaving school grounds at night was pretty funny. That's actually not really accurate, but we'll see about it later. |
| Awesome, I love the Komarimax scene at the beginning! Matters more serious; Riki just filled in the slot of Komari's dead brother. The break down sended chills down my spine, especially when they played my fav bgm "In The Town of Incessant Rain." |
| Okay, I didn't expect Komari's breakdown at all. It seems like she is a completely different person. I guess it is better to know the bitter truth than to live with fake knowledge. I'm looking forward to the next episode (: |
| Peh. I'll watch this episode, but I can only expect it'll be more of the same low budget, overly high-pitched rubbish. |
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Aversa said: So Komari had a brother who died and it was such a big shock for Komari forgot everything about him, her parents don't want her do be sad so they told her she never had a brother in the first place. She must have really liked her brother. The falling star scene was pretty nice and Komari reaction when she thought she was caught for leaving school grounds at night was pretty funny. So Komari had a brother who died and I thought it was obvious since they threw in 2-3 scene of her being embarrassed then she said,"You didn't see anything, I didn't see anything, so it's ok" I mean what did everyone think those scenes were there for? just fanservice? |
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| If this is the way of little busters to show the "plot" i will drop it. Bored like hell episode. And komari is simply annoying. I'm beggining to think that little busters must be the most overrated vn ever created. |
Sa-chan_ said: Part of the story may imply as little as showing out one asset's by being clumsy to the one who she loves. The hints were all over the place however I don't like the sudden turn it takes for a romance.Yumekichi11 said: A) To be funny! B) To be part of the story. I think the 2nd option is less likely LOL. Remembering the fanservice scenes on the game, none of them is to be part of the story. And none of them is funny or entertaining, for me. dizzyworld2 said: Yes that too, most likely it's a good means to do that.Yumekichi11 said: Mary_Vanucchi said: It's not, the way they show it is eitherAlso, let's see how many will complain about the minor fanservice scenes. Not that I'm fond of them (really, I would prefer if JC cut them out), but it don't seem like anything so serious. :P A) To be funny! B) To be part of the story. It's not done to be sexual in any way. I know, trust me or look at my list. At first I was pissed off too but they are trying to not hold back on some stuff and make it natural. Those who see it as sexual it is their kick but don't bother with me. Your any pic or stuff of Noumi or this series hentai/ecchi is deleted from my mind automatically. It's impossible for me to have anything sexual for this series. Impossible. Ahaha yeah. Those panty shots of Komari were only shown to (it's not a spoiler anymore as people watching the anime should get it by now) Mary_Vanucchi said: That's another thing I liked for Komari, however Kurugaya seems to have been extended a little in terms of the breast bouncing or so it looks like that due to it being animated.Sa-chan_ said: Yumekichi11 said: A) To be funny! B) To be part of the story. I think the 2nd option is less likely LOL. Remembering the fanservice scenes on the game, none of them is to be part of the story. And none of them is funny or entertaining, for me. I think the same. I skimmed fast most of the fanservice scenes since they were completely unnecessary. Luckily, they were short, so I didn't want to complain about them. RyanSaotome said: That does not mean you can assume they will put all of them in the anime series. Studio chooses what they do.If people are already complaining about fanservice, I look forward to when we have the Kud route. |
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Rannta said: Exaggerated mode does not make you more convincing... The word "overrated" is overused anyway.little busters must be the most overrated vn ever created. |
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Rannta said: If this is the way of little busters to show the "plot" i will drop it. Bored like hell episode. And komari is simply annoying. I'm beggining to think that little busters must be the most overrated vn ever created. That's cool, I mean it's no gain or loss for us who like it. |
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Gunslayerboy said: This reminded me of Kotomi breakdown from Clannad. It just seems similar to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB40_Vxd2Fw I was thinking the same thing, except I was expecting a more bone chilling cry from Komari. I think her seiyuu could have done better there, but oh well. |
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AlexTheRiot said: Gunslayerboy said: This reminded me of Kotomi breakdown from Clannad. It just seems similar to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB40_Vxd2Fw I was thinking the same thing, except I was expecting a more bone chilling cry from Komari. I think her seiyuu could have done better there, but oh well. Coming from the VN it wasn't that far off believe me |
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Rannta said: If this is the way of little busters to show the "plot" i will drop it. Bored like hell episode. And komari is simply annoying. I'm beggining to think that little busters must be the most overrated vn ever created. This isn't 'the plot'.Komari isn't the main heroine of LB, after all. Rin's route and more importantly Refrain are what the plot is and like in previous KEY works, it'll take some time to actually get there. It was the same with the visual novel: complete all the girl routes(that range from meh to good) and only then proceed to the really fantastic stuff like Refrain. So no, it definitely isn't the most overrated vn of all time.It would be if Refrain and Rin2 weren't so bloody amazing, the cast wasn't so damn loveable, the jokes weren't so absolutely hilarious and Masato's kinniku route didn't exist. And besides, doesn't that title belong to Fate/Stay Night? As for the non-visual novel players who are dissing LB and blame KEY for their disappointment: while JC Staff are being faithful to the game, their execution of the scenes leaves alot to be desired.Most aren't nearly as good as they were in the vn, and alot of the humor falls flat in JC Staff's hands.Characters didn't come off being as shallow as they seem in the anime when I was starting out the vn, too. So don't go around assuming that the anime is as good as the vn just because people are saying that's it's faithful.The vn is superior in every way(except in animation @_@). Key's not to blame here. About the panty shot: I could accept the one in episode 2 since they were technically adapting it from the vn but inserting one randomly in this episode was pretty damn stupid, they didn't have to show her panties to get the point across that she didn't want them seen -_- If they're going to add ecchi to this then it might as well come from the vn's few ecchi scenes(which are like what, 2?) instead of inserting them just because someone in the staff got horny. Also it really speaks volumes about JC Staff how they can cut out foreshadowing stuff like the train déja vu but keep the panties.Seriously. |
skapandiNov 4, 2012 1:01 PM
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skapandi said: Wasn't it told that Kay is supervising JC's work? Like it's usually done.As for the non-visual novel players who are dissing LB and blame KEY for their disappointment: while JC Staff are being faithful to the game, their execution of the scenes leaves alot to be desired.Most aren't nearly as good as they were in the vn, and alot of the humor falls flat in JC Staff's hands.Characters didn't come off being as shallow as they seem in the anime when I was starting out the vn, too. So don't go around assuming that the anime is as good as the vn just because people are saying that's it's faithful.The vn is superior in every way(except in animation @_@). Key's not to blame here. Characters in VN are also flat as a pavement - they do develop later but first impression of them is rather boring (except Kud and Kurugaya but it's because of how they were shown - borderline pervert and Kud). So here it will also take time for them to show who they are. I wonder a bit how they will cope with them after route will finish - will see. And people complaining that series is boring - I agree. If I didn't play the game I would drop it already, even after hearing that there is some really AWESOME stuff later. What kind of argument is that? But than I miss more comedic parts here than some clues - so cutting off deja vu = well whatever; cutting off Komari-Max vs Yui-chan = bad JC Staff, bad. |
skapandi said: About the panty shot: I could accept the one in episode 2 since they were technically adapting it from the vn but inserting one randomly in this episode was pretty damn stupid, they didn't have to show her panties to get the point across that she didn't want them seen -_- If they're going to add ecchi to this then it might as well come from the vn's few ecchi scenes(which are like what, 2?) instead of inserting them just because someone in the staff got horny. No, not because staff got horny, because the staff had a Basic Donut for breakfast that day. |
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Dalek-baka said: Wasn't it told that Kay is supervising JC's work? Like it's usually done. Characters in VN are also flat as a pavement - they do develop later but first impression of them is rather boring (except Kud and Kurugaya but it's because of how they were shown - borderline pervert and Kud). So here it will also take time for them to show who they are. I wonder a bit how they will cope with them after route will finish - will see. And people complaining that series is boring - I agree. If I didn't play the game I would drop it already, even after hearing that there is some really AWESOME stuff later. What kind of argument is that? But than I miss more comedic parts here than some clues - so cutting off deja vu = well whatever; cutting off Komari-Max vs Yui-chan = bad JC Staff, bad. That was stated somewhere, yeah.But still, JC Staff is the studio that's adapting this. Key's supervision is probably what's making this adaptation so faithful in terms of content but the way the scenes are actually executed is all up to JC Staff, not Key. The main 5 childhood friends were interesting from the start in the game(for me at least) while in the anime you can't really grasp their character besides their archetype when we're already 5 episodes into it.It's okay if the other girls don't have that much of a personality established in the anime yet since they've barely gotten any screentime(Haruka and Kud) but the childhood friends have gotten tons. And yeah, I'm curious about that too. The dejá vu part was actually a nice piece of foreshadowing that's relevant to the plot while the comedy scenes aren't.I am glad they kept the Yui-chan bit though because I love the comedy in LB too, but would it really have killed them to include that one bit of foreshadowing? blasterion said: No, not because staff got horny, because the staff had a Basic Donut for breakfast that day. I don't remember the donut panty shot being in the roof(it was in the baseball club room if I remember correctly). But if that was it, then we got it out of the way which is good.Hoping that's the case. Ahmad-99 said: Can Anyone Tell Me In Any Arc This Scene Will Appear ? |
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skapandi said: Dalek-baka said: Wasn't it told that Kay is supervising JC's work? Like it's usually done. Characters in VN are also flat as a pavement - they do develop later but first impression of them is rather boring (except Kud and Kurugaya but it's because of how they were shown - borderline pervert and Kud). So here it will also take time for them to show who they are. I wonder a bit how they will cope with them after route will finish - will see. And people complaining that series is boring - I agree. If I didn't play the game I would drop it already, even after hearing that there is some really AWESOME stuff later. What kind of argument is that? But than I miss more comedic parts here than some clues - so cutting off deja vu = well whatever; cutting off Komari-Max vs Yui-chan = bad JC Staff, bad. That was stated somewhere, yeah.But still, JC Staff is the studio that's adapting this. Key's supervision is probably what's making this adaptation so faithful in terms of content but the way the scenes are actually executed is all up to JC Staff, not Key. The main 5 childhood friends were interesting from the start in the game(for me at least) while in the anime you can't really grasp their character besides their archetype when we're already 5 episodes into it.It's okay if the other girls don't have that much of a personality established in the anime yet since they've barely gotten any screentime(Haruka and Kud) but the childhood friends have gotten tons. And yeah, I'm curious about that too. The dejá vu part was actually a nice piece of foreshadowing that's relevant to the plot while the comedy scenes aren't.I am glad they kept the Yui-chan bit though because I love the comedy in LB too, but would it really have killed them to include that one bit of foreshadowing? blasterion said: No, not because staff got horny, because the staff had a Basic Donut for breakfast that day. I don't remember the donut panty shot being in the roof(it was in the baseball club room if I remember correctly). But if that was it, then we got it out of the way which is good.Hoping that's the case. Ahmad-99 said: Can Anyone Tell Me In Any Arc This Scene Will Appear ? It was in the club room but we are already 65% thru Komari route if it's gonna show up it's now or never |
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blasterion said: It was in the club room but we are already 65% thru Komari route if it's gonna show up it's now or never It felt pretty inappropriate to put it there though. And who's to say they won't try to squeeze it in some other place after this route is done for some extra fanservice?Urgh. |
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blasterion said: skapandi said: Dalek-baka said: Wasn't it told that Kay is supervising JC's work? Like it's usually done. Characters in VN are also flat as a pavement - they do develop later but first impression of them is rather boring (except Kud and Kurugaya but it's because of how they were shown - borderline pervert and Kud). So here it will also take time for them to show who they are. I wonder a bit how they will cope with them after route will finish - will see. And people complaining that series is boring - I agree. If I didn't play the game I would drop it already, even after hearing that there is some really AWESOME stuff later. What kind of argument is that? But than I miss more comedic parts here than some clues - so cutting off deja vu = well whatever; cutting off Komari-Max vs Yui-chan = bad JC Staff, bad. That was stated somewhere, yeah.But still, JC Staff is the studio that's adapting this. Key's supervision is probably what's making this adaptation so faithful in terms of content but the way the scenes are actually executed is all up to JC Staff, not Key. The main 5 childhood friends were interesting from the start in the game(for me at least) while in the anime you can't really grasp their character besides their archetype when we're already 5 episodes into it.It's okay if the other girls don't have that much of a personality established in the anime yet since they've barely gotten any screentime(Haruka and Kud) but the childhood friends have gotten tons. And yeah, I'm curious about that too. The dejá vu part was actually a nice piece of foreshadowing that's relevant to the plot while the comedy scenes aren't.I am glad they kept the Yui-chan bit though because I love the comedy in LB too, but would it really have killed them to include that one bit of foreshadowing? blasterion said: No, not because staff got horny, because the staff had a Basic Donut for breakfast that day. I don't remember the donut panty shot being in the roof(it was in the baseball club room if I remember correctly). But if that was it, then we got it out of the way which is good.Hoping that's the case. Ahmad-99 said: Can Anyone Tell Me In Any Arc This Scene Will Appear ? It was in the club room but we are already 65% thru Komari route if it's gonna show up it's now or never is this Scene Shows Up in Komari's Route ? |
skapandi said: blasterion said: It was in the club room but we are already 65% thru Komari route if it's gonna show up it's now or never It felt pretty inappropriate to put it there though. And who's to say they won't try to squeeze it in some other place after this route is done for some extra fanservice?Urgh. Because Kud has a much bigger fanbase than Komari, so even if there is fanservice it'll be Kud shipping, After all do you see a Komarin-Fuefter? |
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Ahmad-99 said: is this Scene Shows Up in Komari's Route ? No.Like I said, it only shows up during the Refrain route. blasterion said: Because Kud has a much bigger fanbase than Komari, so even if there is fanservice it'll be Kud shipping, After all do you see a Komarin-Fuefter? So they'll do Kud fanservice instead?That's even worse.(though I don't think they'll really need to add anything since most of her CGs feature her half-naked...) Fuefter, lol. |
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Yerld said: To be precise, the adaptation is by Michiru Shimada with a methodology designed by Key. She's working on her own (Key hired her before they even picked a studio) while checking in with the game writers from time to time. From a higher level, Key actually dictated how the anime story would change from the game, so she isn't responsible for all the differences either. The studio JC Staff has no involvement with script - they never do, except on a couple anime original works. I guess.Since you seem to know more than me I won't argue with that. I don't really have that many problems with the script, something else feels off.Probably the direction, but I'm not entirely sure. And when I said Key wasn't to blame here I meant more like the original source material wasn't to blame other than their supervision work on the anime.Probably should've been clearer on that. Ahmad-99 said: oh Sorry I haven't Noticed your Reply Then This is Great I'm Really Excited for Refrain *^* Through i haven't Play the VN Oh, that's okay. You should be, it's great stuff and easily the best part of the VN. |
skapandiNov 4, 2012 1:25 PM
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| Good adaptation of Komari's route. The breakdown was intense, it made me suffer too. It works well because Komari is always cheerfull. Also, a bit of romance in their date, I've wished for more cute moments but it's okay. I'm waiting for next episode, I've played the VN so I know what to expect. 5/5. |
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skapandi said: The main 5 childhood friends were interesting from the start in the game(for me at least) while in the anime you can't really grasp their character besides their archetype when we're already 5 episodes into it.It's okay if the other girls don't have that much of a personality established in the anime yet since they've barely gotten any screentime(Haruka and Kud) but the childhood friends have gotten tons. And yeah, I'm curious about that too. With friends - I liked them but for me they were also bit boring (excluding Rin) - Masato was that idiot running around, Kengo is serious one and Kyousuke is And batting practice - that was best part of VN. What doesn't work here for me is that they do good job with big events, like start of Komari route or introduction of Kurugaya... yet a lot of those small cute/dramatic scenes are cut out. Komari-Max for one, moments when Rin opens to others. It makes it somehow disjointed or rushed. |
Dalek-bakaNov 4, 2012 1:39 PM
skapandi said: I guess.Since you seem to know more than me I won't argue with that. I don't really have that many problems with the script, something else feels off.Probably the direction, but I'm not entirely sure. And when I said Key wasn't to blame here I meant more like the original source material wasn't to blame other than their supervision work on the anime.Probably should've been clearer on that. it's the pacing, were only 5 episodes in and were already half way through komari's route. in the vn we had the whole common route which was over 5 hours worth of character development to get to know komari and (for those that dont mind her) care about her, making the break down MUCH more effective. while in the anime version we knew komari for like an hour. hardly anyone would care about this annoying, clumsy, moeblob girl that JC portrayed. another thing.. theyre shoving random group activity/common route during the route (yui chan, komari max, baseball practice, a kinniku quote by masato (which by the way belittles his character)). in the visual novel, we had plenty of time to transition out of the happy mood into the individual routes which overall created that eerie/serious tone. the whole thing feels watered down because of these dumb choices in direction. hell, the characters feel totally different from the VN... im scared for the later parts of the story.. if this is the foundation the viewers are working off of, i feel like refrain wont nearly be as good.. |
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Dalek-baka said: With friends - I liked them but for me they were also bit boring (excluding Rin) - Masato was that idiot running around, Kengo is serious one and Kyousuke is And batting practice - that was best part of VN. What doesn't work here for me is that they do good job with big events, like start of Komari route or introduction of Kurugaya... yet a lot of those small cute/dramatic scenes are cut out. Komari-Max for one, moments when Rin opens to others. It makes it somehow disjointed/rushed. Haha, to be fair Yup, it really depends on the person. (as for me I thought that Kyousuke was cool, Masato was hilarious, Rin was funny and adorable, Kengo was no fun most of the time but that made the rare moments he smiled all the better and Agreed on batting practice being awesome.Super fun mini-game, never skipped it. True. |
skapandiNov 4, 2012 2:06 PM
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