DawnJ said: Actually I don't want them to animate Tsukihime, imagine how dull its action scenes will be. 1.Ufotable is amazing at animating knife fights- (see kara no kyoukai 7). 2.The tsukihime manga has plenty of spiced up action scenes (roa with magic ect). |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| They managed to make best UBW fights look utterly boring, lifeless and needlessly flashy. If they take the same approach to Tsuki, it will be freaking butchered. |
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CookingPriest said: They managed to make best UBW fights look utterly boring, lifeless and needlessly flashy. If they take the same approach to Tsuki, it will be freaking butchered. Ufo did fine with most of the zero fight scenes and amazing with the kara no kyoukai fight scenes. 1 bad project doesn't make the studio bad. I don't see how you could call shirou vs gil boring. |
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black1blade said: CookingPriest said: They managed to make best UBW fights look utterly boring, lifeless and needlessly flashy. If they take the same approach to Tsuki, it will be freaking butchered. Ufo did fine with most of the zero fight scenes and amazing with the kara no kyoukai fight scenes. 1 bad project doesn't make the studio bad. I don't see how you could call shirou vs gil boring. Some people only focus on the negatives. |
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black1blade said: CookingPriest said: They managed to make best UBW fights look utterly boring, lifeless and needlessly flashy. If they take the same approach to Tsuki, it will be freaking butchered. Ufo did fine with most of the zero fight scenes and amazing with the kara no kyoukai fight scenes. 1 bad project doesn't make the studio bad. I don't see how you could call shirou vs gil boring. Shirou VS Gil was flashy but lacked substance and intensity the fight should have had. The casting of UBW was rushed and hollow, teh fight itself lacked melee and by-the-hair nature of the fight and UFO focused more on spectacle than on logic and intensity. In fact pretty much everything in adaptation felt hollow. And that would completely NOT work with Tsukihime And yeah, Zero fights were great, KNK fights were great and if UBW had anything even near that quality, it would have been way better. Alas I'd rather not base expectations on what was but on what IS. And what is with ufo is less than glorious. They had two cours to "get back on track" with UBW. And they flunked every chance. If they somehow get their heads out of their asses, fix their management and staffing priorities and get back into the game? Great. But I won't expect that. As of now I'd rather ufo not touch tsuki OR Mahoyo. UFOubw did more than enough damage anyway. |
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| That isn't the studio's fault. It's the people in the studio who where working on this adaptation. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I loved it.I'm waiting for the dubbed version to rewatch. |
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CookingPriest said: Adapting other routes does absolutely ZERO to characterization of main characters, especially Shirou's. You do not need "three routes" to like him. I find Shirou to be an excellent character due to his characterization and development across all three routes. Separating only one version of his character, no matter which route is picked I certainly don't love him. So yeah, I'd say one could very well need "three routes" to like him. As for the topic, the main thing I want to say is that it's a good but flawed adaption. People keep forgetting how difficult it is to animate a VN 1:1 and still make it entertaining as an anime. A lot of the things that was removed from the VN weren't necessary, but a number of them were. A lot of the things added weren't necessary, but a lot of them were for the sake of making it more entertaining to non-VN readers. Say what you will about "flash," but it's necessary to capture an audience. Notice how ufotable's "good adaptions" (Fate/Zero and Kara no Kyoukai) are both LN adaptions, not VN adaptions... probably not a coincidence, guys. Personally, I find the changes made in the first season were great and enhanced the show considerably, while a large number of the changes in the second season didn't do much but I didn't dislike them either. Medea backstory was fine, "grail titan" was cool, etc, but none of them made me excited like the first season's did (Illya vs Rin was the bee's knees yo). Mixing in some of Saber's backstory from Fate route was also an idea I liked a lot for the sake of her development, but that's not really a change considering it's not content which wasn't actually anywhere in the VN. That said, there is a lot of content which could've been adapted more thoroughly, especially for the sake of developing Shirou, so it's hardly a great adaption. Though TBH I enjoyed this adaption more than the VN route in some ways due to anime-advantages. Hard to judge UBW from a non-VN reader perspective, but I imagine that since I found UBW route much more enjoyable due to Fate route build up and HF route expansion, anime-only watchers aren't going to understand it or enjoy it as much. |
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| All it takes is one "fuckup", and suddenly you get people who want to nuke the entire studio so they never ruin an adaptation of another one of their beloved porno games ever again, as though UBW was the only work they ever did, and Zero & KnK were done by some third party... |
Zadion said: As for the topic, the main thing I want to say is that it's a good but flawed adaption. People keep forgetting how difficult it is to animate a VN 1:1 and still make it entertaining as an anime. I agree with you very much so. To not animate things such as Shirou getting his face getting pummeled, kneeling for no reason, and losing to Gil is quite the daunting task. I personally could not even imagine myself trying it. fst said: All it takes is one fuckup, and suddenly you get people who want to nuke the entire studio so they never ruin an adaptation of another one of their beloved porno games ever again, as though UBW was the only work they ever did, and Zero & KnK were done by some third party... What are you talking about? There is no fuck up. It's just people acting paranoid. |
GradationAir said: Zadion said: As for the topic, the main thing I want to say is that it's a good but flawed adaption. People keep forgetting how difficult it is to animate a VN 1:1 and still make it entertaining as an anime. I agree with you very much so. To not animate things such as Shirou getting his face getting pummeled, kneeling for no reason, and losing to Gil is quite the daunting task. I personally could not even imagine myself trying it. fst said: All it takes is one fuckup, and suddenly you get people who want to nuke the entire studio so they never ruin an adaptation of another one of their beloved porno games ever again, as though UBW was the only work they ever did, and Zero & KnK were done by some third party... What are you talking about? There is no fuck up. It's just people acting paranoid. Whoops, looks like I forgot to add in the quotation marks for emphasis. |
| Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. |
SaintEmiya said: Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. ...Archer is the mc(?) ..idk |
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SaintEmiya said: Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. It's too difficult to adapted the VN 1:1. This is done due factors such as time constraint. It's the same case in EP13. The budget would become unrealistic if they let Shirou remain standing for too long. |
| 1. Excellent adaptation, many scenes (Ilya vs Rin, some of the interactions between Rin and Shirou, backstories for many of the characters which weren't given in the VN) are welcome. The show did some stuff wrong (some more monologues for Shirou could have been nice) but overall I'm very, very satisfied. 2. In my top 3 the moment it's done airing. So yeah. 3. Would have been nicer if they gave Shinji a bit more of a personality. Some Rider development would have been appreciated as well. Of course, we have the HF movies for both. And I think Shinji shouldn't have been used as comic relief, simply because how he acts in UBW and how he'll act in HF will be way too different for its own good. That being said, I'm extremely satisfied with how this adaptation went. 4. He's almost exactly the same character as he was in the VN, minus how good he is of a strategist (the Lancer skirmish at the beginning could have been a nice monologue). The show did a great job portraying his character, and his development was both plausible and consistent. 5. A million times better. This isn't even a question. |
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SaintEmiya said: Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. That was horrible, i agree. Shirou's body getting rekt by his magic circuits was probably the intention of that scene, but the execution was so horrid, i just can't help but feel like they're intentionally trying to look him bad/worse. Can't forget the omitted Shirou line in ep 7, the loosening threads in ep 12, or Saber's "interrupted save" in the same episode, either. |
SaintEmiya said: Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. There are too many scenes changed or altered to make him look shitty to count. BD additional scenes will add two more btw. astroprogs said: SaintEmiya said: Why did they have Shirou just randomly tripping over in the church? That kinda shit isn't needed. That was horrible, i agree. Shirou's body getting rekt by his magic circuits was probably the intention of that scene, but the execution was so horrid, i just can't help but feel like they're intentionally trying to look him bad/worse. Can't forget the omitted Shirou line in ep 7, the loosening threads in ep 12, or Saber's "interrupted save" in the same episode, either. The fact that they did not bother to even show that projection even damages him also does not help. |
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CookingPriest said: The fact that they did not bother to even show that projection even damages him also does not help. I guess all the screaming every time he projects anything was just because of something he ate the night before. |
fst said: CookingPriest said: The fact that they did not bother to even show that projection even damages him also does not help. I guess all the screaming every time he projects anything was just because of something he ate the night before. Screaming when you power up is very common factor in shonen shows. |
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CookingPriest said: fst said: I guess all the screaming every time he projects anything was just because of something he ate the night before. Screaming when you power up is very common factor in shonen shows. Do they also grimace in pain and collapse to the ground after they finish powering up in shounen shows? |
| 1. I won't lie. It has been ages since last time I played VN. I don't remember all the details, but from what I remember I would say that this adaptation was quite good. Well, at least better than most adaptations nowadays. 2. Quality wise it was great. Good story (well it is Fate series after all), great animation quality,although I am bit disappointing with soundtrack. OST in other studio works like KnK or F/Z were much better. Overall I didn't enjoy it even half as much I thought I would. Maybe because I knew what was going to happen. 3. Hmm, I would say that it would have been nice to see characters to be treated I bit better. The way how each of them were depicted was kinda bad. 4. I can't say that word butchered fits here, but at least something similar happened. I personally liked how Archer's development was showed, but still find Shiroes a bit lacking. Maybe adding a few inner monologues would have done the trick if they were added correctly. Well it is kinda hard to compare it to VN since those 2 are totally different categories. I can't compare it to DEEN adaptation because different route and can't compare it with movie cause it sucked big time. 5. Hmm, let me see.. Animation = UBW Music = DEEN (yes I like DEEN more) Story = both were good, but personally I liked DEEN more. Well Fate is my favorite route fallowed by UBW. Character development = UBW just for Archer |
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Sparteh said: 1. I won't lie. It has been ages since last time I played VN. I don't remember all the details, but from what I remember I would say that this adaptation was quite good. Well, at least better than most adaptations nowadays. 2. Quality wise it was great. Good story (well it is Fate series after all), great animation quality,although I am bit disappointing with soundtrack. OST in other studio works like KnK or F/Z were much better. Overall I didn't enjoy it even half as much I thought I would. Maybe because I knew what was going to happen. 3. Hmm, I would say that it would have been nice to see characters to be treated I bit better. The way how each of them were depicted was kinda bad. 4. I can't say that word butchered fits here, but at least something similar happened. I personally liked how Archer's development was showed, but still find Shiroes a bit lacking. Maybe adding a few inner monologues would have done the trick if they were added correctly. Well it is kinda hard to compare it to VN since those 2 are totally different categories. I can't compare it to DEEN adaptation because different route and can't compare it with movie cause it sucked big time. 5. Hmm, let me see.. Animation = UBW Music = DEEN (yes I like DEEN more) Story = both were good, but personally I liked DEEN more. Well Fate is my favorite route fallowed by UBW. Character development = UBW just for Archer BUT THE ARCHER VS BERSERKER FIGHT. Hurghhhhhhhhhhh so awesome in DEEN. |
| Perhaps not the best show from this season, but still quite decent. Granted I'm just an anime only viewer, so I wouldn't have any idea how much it differs from the VN (but judging from the salt country that was formed, it was probably a disgrace to it) I'm personally considering it a 7/10 for both seasons, both Shirou and Rin were rather boring and I really only got to like Lancer and Archer in the end. |
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SaintEmiya said: Sparteh said: 1. I won't lie. It has been ages since last time I played VN. I don't remember all the details, but from what I remember I would say that this adaptation was quite good. Well, at least better than most adaptations nowadays. 2. Quality wise it was great. Good story (well it is Fate series after all), great animation quality,although I am bit disappointing with soundtrack. OST in other studio works like KnK or F/Z were much better. Overall I didn't enjoy it even half as much I thought I would. Maybe because I knew what was going to happen. 3. Hmm, I would say that it would have been nice to see characters to be treated I bit better. The way how each of them were depicted was kinda bad. 4. I can't say that word butchered fits here, but at least something similar happened. I personally liked how Archer's development was showed, but still find Shiroes a bit lacking. Maybe adding a few inner monologues would have done the trick if they were added correctly. Well it is kinda hard to compare it to VN since those 2 are totally different categories. I can't compare it to DEEN adaptation because different route and can't compare it with movie cause it sucked big time. 5. Hmm, let me see.. Animation = UBW Music = DEEN (yes I like DEEN more) Story = both were good, but personally I liked DEEN more. Well Fate is my favorite route fallowed by UBW. Character development = UBW just for Archer BUT THE ARCHER VS BERSERKER FIGHT. Hurghhhhhhhhhhh so awesome in DEEN. Now try to imagine it in Ufo's glory |
MightyM16 said: SaintEmiya said: BUT THE ARCHER VS BERSERKER FIGHT. Hurghhhhhhhhhhh so awesome in DEEN. Now try to imagine it in Ufo's glory I dunno, part of the reason DEEN made it so awesome was the music matching the chant. They really were amazing with their timing of stuff. UBW casting and build up was amazing as well. I do like UFO and they will make the fighting look amazing but the stuff I've mentioned... they've kinda been a bit fail with in UBW :/. |
Zadion said: Notice how ufotable's "good adaptions" (Fate/Zero and Kara no Kyoukai) are both LN adaptions, not VN adaptions... probably not a coincidence, guys. I wonder if that means good things for Mahoyo then, since from what I know about it, it's a one route no choices VN with badass music. |
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SaintEmiya said: Also f it wouldbe in ufoubw style it would lack all emotion. Deen fucked up a lot of things, but emotional weight behind the fights is not the thing they fucked up. Answer in UBW Movie still is far more charged emotionally like it should be than in ufoubw.MightyM16 said: Now try to imagine it in Ufo's glory I dunno, part of the reason DEEN made it so awesome was the music matching the chant. They really were amazing with their timing of stuff. UBW casting and build up was amazing as well. I do like UFO and they will make the fighting look amazing but the stuff I've mentioned... they've kinda been a bit fail with in UBW :/. |
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CookingPriest said: SaintEmiya said: Also f it wouldbe in ufoubw style it would lack all emotion. Deen fucked up a lot of things, but emotional weight behind the fights is not the thing they fucked up. Answer in UBW Movie still is far more charged emotionally like it should be than in ufoubw.I dunno, part of the reason DEEN made it so awesome was the music matching the chant. They really were amazing with their timing of stuff. UBW casting and build up was amazing as well. I do like UFO and they will make the fighting look amazing but the stuff I've mentioned... they've kinda been a bit fail with in UBW :/. Oh c'mon DEEN UBW Archer: I'm right!! Shirou: You're wrong!! Archer:...You're right it doesn't matter if it's "emotionally charged" when it completely made the scene stupid due to time constraints |
| How good is this series as an adaptation compared to DEEN's? I've read the Fate route, but, due to the amount of hate that the adaptation gets, have not watched DEEN's version yet. Is it at the same level as an adaptation as Ufo's UBW? If it is, I think I will give it a shot. |
Lacertoss said: How good is this series as an adaptation compared to DEEN's? I've read the Fate route, but, due to the amount of hate that the adaptation gets, have not watched DEEN's version yet. Is it at the same level as an adaptation as Ufo's UBW? If it is, I think I will give it a shot. Despite what doombringer CookingPriest says, UfoUBW is not on the same low level as DEEN's. Avoid DEEN's if you've read the visual novel. Except for Archer vs Berserker |
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| Fantastic. It wasn't a perfect adaptation, but in some ways, it was superior to the VN too. There were things I wish they did, especially regards to scene selection and pacing. Still, it was a great ride. 8-9/10 |
| I haven't read the VN. My main comparison is with F/Z. I loved F/Z's characters and rated it highly but I feel that there was something missing in the story to really connect with those characters. i thought UBW did a better job at that, even if it didn't have as many interesting characters. |
Lacertoss said: How good is this series as an adaptation compared to DEEN's? I've read the Fate route, but, due to the amount of hate that the adaptation gets, have not watched DEEN's version yet. Is it at the same level as an adaptation as Ufo's UBW? If it is, I think I will give it a shot. Its worse. By how much remains up to debate but it is worse than ufoubw. |
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| Prefer Zero but this adaptation was pretty solid. 8.3/10 |
| 4/10 for the amazing visuals and for the awesome few action scenes that it had. Overall just really boring and a waste of time, even FSN 2006 wasn't that boring. |
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CookingPriest said: fst said: I guess all the screaming every time he projects anything was just because of something he ate the night before. Screaming when you power up is very common factor in shonen shows. maybe you should watch the shirou vs kuzuki scene again. you can clearly see that it hurts |
xSanox said: CookingPriest said: Screaming when you power up is very common factor in shonen shows. maybe you should watch the shirou vs kuzuki scene again. you can clearly see that it hurts With Vn knowledge ? yes. None of anime onlies realized anything in that scene. Except that "shirou asspulled a power up like an MC" |
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CookingPriest said: None of anime onlies realized anything in that scene. Except that "shirou asspulled a power up like an MC" he said while speaking to an anime only |
Insertanamehere said: CookingPriest said: None of anime onlies realized anything in that scene. Except that "shirou asspulled a power up like an MC" he said while speaking to an anime only people get told things. And explained things to. Literally nothing about projection or its damage was explained and if you did not notice majority of reviewers or posters seemed to think Shirou got free power ups through the series. |
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| I dropped it to 6/10(only because of epilogue and Adult Rin goodness...can't get enough nghhhhh) |
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CookingPriest said: Insertanamehere said: he said while speaking to an anime only people get told things. And explained things to. Literally nothing about projection or its damage was explained and if you did not notice majority of reviewers or posters seemed to think Shirou got free power ups through the series. Where is this damn majority you're always on about? You have failed to show it even once. |
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KamiCity said: fai and his majority talk. never gets old.CookingPriest said: people get told things. And explained things to. Literally nothing about projection or its damage was explained and if you did not notice majority of reviewers or posters seemed to think Shirou got free power ups through the series. Where is this damn majority you're always on about? You have failed to show it even once. |
CookingPriest said: Grey-Zone said: Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1369685&show=1350 Fai at his best~ Why are people still surprised? |
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CookingPriest said: xSanox said: maybe you should watch the shirou vs kuzuki scene again. you can clearly see that it hurts With Vn knowledge ? yes. None of anime onlies realized anything in that scene. Except that "shirou asspulled a power up like an MC" I'll bet these anime onlies of yours also didn't realize that due to his use of projection, he had no sensation in half his body for the bulk of the next episode. You're not allowed to accuse others of bias when you're incapable of acknowledging your own, for example dismissing any reviewers who don't see what you think all anime onlies should see. |
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