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Marzan said: They need to practice their shooting. Yup. Especially Momo. They all need intense training for the match as well. With Miho now handling out the strategy and possibly training them she would immensely help the team more. Mho is one experience girl and possibly well known for her skills because of how Yukari knew her. According to the prequel manga, Mhio was already driving tanks since she was eleven and possibly participated in tanks battles already. This makes her the senior of team Oorai. |
MagitoNov 1, 2012 9:40 AM
| This could be good anime but without panzer battles. If I wanted to watch World of Tanks I would play it. Those girls are living in fascism regime and nothing really make sense. I am finally dropping it, it is really unwatchable, waste of time for me. |
Takuan_Soho said: I know you didn't intend it, but on that comment alone I've decided to raise my rating for this show a point.In the animation, Senshadou is a form of entertainment. Matches are broadcasted and the town people come out to cheer. And is it really that far-fetched? This is a heck of a lot more interesting than watching Football (either American or Association), and I would rather put my tax money into rebuilding that shop owner's store than lining the pockets of some billionaire in building a useless stadium (if that is indeed how funding is supplied, given then acceptance of most of the town members (who don't mind being woken up at 5 o'clock with a tank blast), I have a feeling that private donations are more than enough to keep the Federation going). |
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| Awesome Episode 5/5. the tank battles was really cool can't wait for the next episode Momo needs a lot of practice XD getting trigger happy at the match |
| Not as bad an episode as I expected, better than last week's. The battle was lengthy and I liked to see the tanks. However, I still really dislike the characters and how unbelievable everything is. I watched this series for the World War 2 tanks, but I have a lot of issues with it. Churchill tanks' turrets turn slowly while others do not, narrow alley and being shot at by 5 tanks, but zigzag with a tank somehow works, the tanks can speed pretty fast, they blow up shops, yet they cannot go onto a closed road, the open town suddenly changed to intersections of one-lane streets, everyone misses their shots, etc. I am essentially raging because I wanted at least good battles, but now I don't enjoy even that. I'm sorry to say such things on the episode discussion, but it's my opinion nonetheless. The only thing I do still enjoy are the looks (exterior and interior) of the tanks, they are very cool. Least favorite series unfortunately, and I may possibly drop.. 3/5 |
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| Ahh...nothing beats drinking a cup of tea in the morning, listening to the British Grenadiers march song while reading this thread. I feel so classy...lolz |
| Nice episode :D Kinda surprised to see them fighting in the city though... I always thought they were only allowed in the terrain. lol'd at the dance too xD |
| I love how they decided to go with the urban setting. Makes a better battlefield than a plain boring terrain. I hope if they lose again, all the teams should participate in the ankour dance. lol |
Mich666 said: Those girls are living in fascism regime and nothing really make sense. I am finally dropping it, it is really unwatchable, waste of time for me. But what you said does not make sense either... Where is the fascism regime?? It is a waste of time for you indeed to watch up till this ep.4 given your entrenched bias all along. Takuan_Soho said: Or are you so incredibly endowed with time that you go out of your way to watch things you know you will hate? Or do you see yourself as some sort of moral police, sort of like those religious folks who go to watch porn movies to tell people how bad they are? Unfortunately I see quite sizable number of fans in the west belong to one of the two groups mentioned above.... |
symbvNov 1, 2012 9:09 PM
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symbv said: Mich666 said: Those girls are living in fascism regime and nothing really make sense. I am finally dropping it, it is really unwatchable, waste of time for me. But what you said does not make sense either... Where is the fascism regime?? It is a waste of time for you indeed to watch up till this ep.4 given your entrenched bias all along. It's unbelievable how he was able to watch all four episodes to begin with. |
_Saburo_ said: Not as bad an episode as I expected, better than last week's. The battle was lengthy and I liked to see the tanks. However, I still really dislike the characters and how unbelievable everything is. If you dislike the characters, then the likelihood that you'd enjoy the show is cut by half. Yeah, your consideration to drop it may not be a bad idea in this case. What I notice is it is hard to convince people why they should like a character, particularly if there is cultural difference and discrepancy of point of view, so I won't push you to like them. It is usually futile anyway (although I am convinced that whatever you don't like is more a cultural sensitivity thing more than the inherent likeability of the characters.) _Saburo_ said: I watched this series for the World War 2 tanks, but I have a lot of issues with it. Churchill tanks' turrets turn slowly while others do not, narrow alley and being shot at by 5 tanks, but zigzag with a tank somehow works, the tanks can speed pretty fast, they blow up shops, yet they cannot go onto a closed road, the open town suddenly changed to intersections of one-lane streets, everyone misses their shots, etc. I checked into the Japanese forums that dedicate themselves to discussion of this anime, and there is no lack of military otaku and tank lovers there who are very enthusiastic about what they saw and how often it got many details right, as well as all the trivia information sprinkled throughout the anime, be it in the background or the dialogues. I have a feeling that they focus on what the anime got right, how much detailed attention the staff put into inserting military related info bits in the anime, and how much they made the animation look cool, rather than why such-and-such motion or maneuver is possible or how those girls could do what they did etc. Anyway I learned a great deal from those people, and I posted about them in this thread (e.g. the Panjandrum on the playing card is a wonderful thought the staff put in the anime) _Saburo_ said: I am essentially raging because I wanted at least good battles, but now I don't enjoy even that. I'm sorry to say such things on the episode discussion, but it's my opinion nonetheless. The consensus I read in those forums is that the battle in this episode exceeds all expectation of what this anime could have achieved, and military fans (at least those in Japan) are giving their 2 thumbs up. There is a reason for this episode to be called "god-tier" by some fans. Later episodes may just top this in terms of technical achievement and entertainment value, but if you don't like the battle shown in this episode at all, it is not so likely you would enjoy the fight in later episodes.... Anyway, one last word: at least this anime portrays tank battle more realistically than Saki did with mahjong i ;-D X-D |
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| The more I watch this show the more I enjoy it. The characters are cute as all get-out (Shimada Humikane strikes again!) and the tanks are awesomely animated. It's just really well done all-around so far. Sure, some of the aspects are ridiculous and some things just don't make much sense, but that's the joy of anime. Can't wait for episode 5! Also, I made a fanclub for anyone that's enjoying the show! http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=34165 |
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| I have to admit I was somewhat skeptical when I read the preview information about the show but that opening sequence on the first episode (reprised with a lot more background information on this episode) sold me. Just to see those tanks in animated action was worth this month's subscription fees alone. I even dragged my war gaming buddy in from the games room where we'd been setting up World in Flames to sit down and watch the sequence (he's not an anime fan so he wasn't nearly as excited as I was). I won't say this is the best show this season as there are a lot of really good shoujo and shounen series in contention, but it certainly is an entertaining one--sort of the anti-Jormungand in terms of military conflict. |
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rodac said: II even dragged my war gaming buddy in from the games room where we'd been setting up World in Flames to sit down and watch the sequence (he's not an anime fan so he wasn't nearly as excited as I was). WORLD IN FLAMES? Do you play board wargames? The name springs a lot of fond memory from me when I played this wonderful game by Australian Design Group back in the 80s. I do not know it is still being played !!! Wow.... Perhaps one day we will see a boardgame that is called "Girls und Panzer" published in Japan.... I will surely be among the first to place my order. The physical quality of the Japan made board wargames is just superb (I own a few boardgames that are based on Gundam etc, even Urusei Yatsura! ) |
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soluuloi said: 2. Amateur hiting target is hard. All the more impressive to see in ep.3 when the PzIV managed to score a critical hit at the front of the StgIII. Otherwise it would not have been possible to knock out that SPG at the front. After checking the video a few times and reading comments in Japanese forums, I think what happened in the last duel between the Churchill and PzIV was that the PzIV actually managed to fire and hit the Churchill first but its turret is so thickly armored that the hit failed to knock it out. Churchill fired only very shortly after PzIV but it destoryed its gun and knocked it out. So in terms of tactics, Miho in fact won brilliantly but limited by the hardware she and her team could not snatch victory at the end. |
symbvNov 2, 2012 1:50 AM
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symbv said: soluuloi said: 2. Amateur hiting target is hard. All the more impressive to see in ep.3 when the PzIV managed to score a critical hit at the front of the StgIII. Otherwise it would not have been possible to knock out that SPG at the front. After checking the video a few times and reading comments in Japanese forums, I think what happened in the last duel between the Churchill and PzIV was that the PzIV actually managed to fire and hit the Churchill first but its turret is so thickly armored that the hit failed to knock it out. Churchill fired only very shortly after PzIV but it destoryed its gun and knocked it out. So in terms of tactics, Miho in fact won brilliantly but limited by the hardware she and her team could not snatch victory at the end. True, but I think during the confrontation they could have run around the churchill in circles and keep firing at it more. But then again, Miho and her crew doesn't have any experience fighting one and not knowing it's weakness put them at a disadvantage. I'm proud for Miho on thinking such tactics it proves that she's a good captain for Oorai yet, she it'll take long to find her footing. |
MagitoNov 2, 2012 1:50 AM
Magito said: The best would be for Miho to turn to the rear of the Churchill tank and fire. But it was hard to do so at the situation shown in the anime. There was simply no way to run around the Churchill if it did not move out of its position at the street intersection....True, but I think during the confrontation they could have run around the churchill in circles and keep firing at it more.. One more thing: There is an explanation why Hana missed the Churchill tank at the beginning of the match.. She asked Miho about the width of Churchill tank and Miho replied it is 3.25 meter. HOWEVER, the width as shown on the rangefinder was not its full width because the Churchill tank was seen at an angle - the actual width that portended the big triangle (4 Streichen) is thus not 3.25 meter but something less. NO WONDER Hana failed to hit the tank !!! X-D :-D |
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| I recently found this video about a person who visited the real town of Oarai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGeH09DHL4 Gotta love the Japanese fans. |
Magito said: I recently found this video about a person who visited the real town of Oarai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGeH09DHL4 Gotta love the Japanese fans. Wow.... The video is just the beginning. The description has tons of information, including the shop where the Matilda bumped into, and then there is this map that shows the route tread by PzIV in the anime: http://latlonglab.yahoo.co.jp/route/watch?id=760573bd5c76d596c4f5d2741f9fd85e And the extra photos taken by the uploader is just awesome: http://blog.livedoor.jp/zakuzaku911/archives/3597714.html What is interesting is that they actually keep the name of the restaurant-ryokan that the Matilda tank bumped into: 肴屋本店 as well as the ryokan that is next to Miho's PzIV when it was trapped: 福本楼 Usually they would change the names of the shops and buildings. Clearly the staff got the agreement of the owners to use the actual names in the anime. I wonder how long they spent in town for research and talking to the locals.... |
symbvNov 2, 2012 3:34 AM
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| Reply to: Magito Post #123 Magito, thanks for posting the link to that YouTube video showing the streets of Ooarai. The quality is absolutely amazing! However, it would have been even better if he could have banged the camera into that white sign on the telephone pole which says 通學路 which I think means "this is a road towards the school". See 05:08 in Episode 1. |
okanaganNov 2, 2012 3:21 AM
 So this is how the PzIV ran away from the chasing tanks from St.Gloriana Team. Point A is where one Matilda tank bumped into a restaurant-hostel. At the end of the turn at Point A is where Miho got trapped. After that is the route taken by her to escape. EDIT: It is amazing that the local shops already display Girls und Panzer posters... |
symbvNov 2, 2012 3:45 AM
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okanagan said: Reply to: Magito Post #123 Magito, thanks for posting the link to that YouTube video showing the streets of Ooarai. You're welcome. I think I know why Momo-chan always misses her shot. It's because she's wearing half her glasses! XD |
| ^ Come to think of Touhoku Earthquake, I remember at that time there were talks among anime otaku about paying visit to Sendai (who was hit by the earthquake and tsunami too) where Kannagi was supposed to take place. And besides Lucky Star, there are also the very successful example of K-On (I actually went to Toyosato just to visit that K-On school !! ) and Tamayura (I actually went to Takehara just because of this anime ! ) or Hanasaku Iroha.... Recent anime like Tari Tari and Hyouka also promoted "otaku pilgrimmage" because of the locales used. Rinne no Langrange is considered kind of an ambivalent example of it because it was seen by anime fans to be too pushy about promoting Kamogawa and so its repeated reference of Kamogawa in the anime (the town's name is even found in title of every episode) is treated as a running joke by fans. That said, the town indeed gained recognition because of the anime, and I am sure the town will keep using the characters in the anime for their own tourism promotion. |
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| ^ Okay, Now I understand why there are posters of GirlPan on some places. I read about K-ON fans really going to the actual place and increased tourism. That's really awesome and a good thing. I predict more fans will visit Ooarai especially with the Upcoming Ankou Festival that I've read in the episode 1 thread. |
symbv said: I suspect there may be more than a few board and miniature wargamers watching this. I'm a LONG time board wargamer - stated with Panzer Leader in 1977. I was never a fan of World in Flames - I much preferred a couple other designs on that topic and scope (TSR's WWII: ETO and DG Totaler Krieg!). Though I have a huge pile of games, I'm probably happiest when I'm pushing a tactical WWII game around (did you notice my post of the WEG Tank Leader add in a prior thread?).rodac said: II even dragged my war gaming buddy in from the games room where we'd been setting up World in Flames to sit down and watch the sequence (he's not an anime fan so he wasn't nearly as excited as I was). WORLD IN FLAMES? Do you play board wargames? The name springs a lot of fond memory from me when I played this wonderful game by Australian Design Group back in the 80s. I do not know it is still being played !!! Wow.... Yes, there is a lot this show is doing to "distort" what the tanks can do, but I've been very surprised at how much it is getting right. I've NEVER seen a film (live action or otherwise) get combat of any sort "right" - there are ALWAYS technical errors. At least here the tanks really do look like the right things, unlike the T-34 mocked up to look like a Tiger in the movie Saving Private Ryan or the outright use of modern tanks to represent WWII tanks (for, example, the M48 Patton's and M7 Chaffee's to represent German and US tanks in the movie Patton). As for turning the turrets, though I don't know the details of the Churchilll I can say that early war tanks used hydraulic assisted hand cranks, which required a LOT of elbow grease to work, though electric assisted cranks were introduced. The first Panthers, for instance, had electric assist, but that was abandoned late in the war when time, materials and resources were lacking. The problem for the Panther crew was that the turret was unbalanced, and the result was that the crew had to keep the tank level or else turn the tank like an assault gun because it became very very difficult to turn the turret if the tank was on an incline. |
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| ^ I remember there was a saying that it takes 5 Sherman to knock out 1 Tiger ? Cratex said: I suspect there may be more than a few board and miniature wargamers watching this. I'm a LONG time board wargamer - stated with Panzer Leader in 1977. I was never a fan of World in Flames - I much preferred a couple other designs on that topic and scope (TSR's WWII: ETO and DG Totaler Krieg!). Though I have a huge pile of games, I'm probably happiest when I'm pushing a tactical WWII game around (did you notice my post of the WEG Tank Leader add in a prior thread?). PANZER LEADER?? Wow.. that was where I spent hours and days back in my school days.. that was before there is anything called computer game (unless we talked about Pac-Man and Space Invaders) but even now I find myself a lot more attached to board wargame than computer games, even computer wargames. Sorry I did not notice you mentioned West End Games... may I ask where is that post of yours? Tank Leader is definitely an awesome series. Too bad it is hard to play solitaire (unfortunately at this side of the world I usually ended up playing solo). Whereas many people here enthuse about World of Tank, but for tactical tank battles, I am really old school. Yaquinto's Panzer series or Avalon Hill's Tobruk ( I wonder if the later published Deluxe Tobruk to be any good ) or even ASL or Squad Leader/Cross of Iron would be what I'd go back to if I want to drive some tanks myself. |
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| (I freely admit I often talk to much) one other thing on the "zig/zag" Though Mako was getting more out of that Mk IV that it probably could have done, zig/zagging tanks is accurate. In North Africa the Germans, British, Italians and later US learned that to stay alive they had to do exactly that. Neither side had a significant advantage in terms of range and hitting power for very long. So the crews quickly learned to move right and shoot, move left and shoot, move right and shoot, move left and shoot, etc. |
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symbv said: Something like that. They would more or less try to surround it like a pack of dogs and accept that they'd probably lose a couple but that one or two others would manage to get behind it and get in a good shot. It wasn't pretty, but...^ I remember there was a saying that it takes 5 Sherman to knock out 1 Tiger ? symbv said: PANZER LEADER?? Wow.. that was where I spent hours and days back in my school days.. that was before there is anything called computer game (unless we talked about Pac-Man and Space Invaders) but even now I find myself a lot more attached to board wargame than computer games, even computer wargames. Same here. Though I'm a computer programmer by trade, I just don't dig computer games much. symbv said: Sorry I did not notice you mentioned West End Games... may I ask where is that post of yours? Tank Leader is definitely an awesome series. Too bad it is hard to play solitaire (unfortunately at this side of the world I usually ended up playing solo). I think it is the episode 2 folder. I'll have to look. symbv said: My brother and some friends played the first series of Squad Leader/Cross of Iron in the late 70s/early 80s, but I never took up the ASL rewrite. However, in recent years after MMP got the rights to the game they *also* put out a series of "ASL Starter Kit" games that, between the three of them, present the core rules which are MUCH more approachable than the full ASL rulebook and at a fraction of the cost. I've enjoyed them - you should check them out.Whereas many people here enthuse about World of Tank, but for tactical tank battles, I am really old school. Yaquinto's Panzer series or Avalon Hill's Tobruk ( I wonder if the later published Deluxe Tobruk to be any good ) or even ASL or Squad Leader/Cross of Iron would be what I'd go back to if I want to drive some tanks myself. |
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symbv said: Sorry, episode 3 folderSorry I did not notice you mentioned West End Games... may I ask where is that post of yours? |
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| The 1970's I was playing Avalon Hill's D-Day in 1975. What a great way to learn Geography and History. It also taught us concentration, patience, and the value of doing our own independent research. All of this transferred 100% to future success in life. Many of the war games mentioned in other posts here bring back memories of our small club where each member brought his or her own game every Saturday night. Old-fashioned board games were great in some ways, but they had their limits. Simulating a large sea battle such as Jutland was okay. There were some attempts back then to simulate an aerial battle. I didn't work well. The key ingredient in those old games was rolling the dice. That was because generals could not predict the individual actions of soldiers after they issued the order to send them into battle. Modern computer simulations no longer have dice rolls because you use your own eyes and your own fingers. Cratex makes some good points in responise in his post #140. |
okanaganNov 3, 2012 12:01 AM
| 福 In reply to: symbv Post #124 ... ryokan that is next to Miho's PzIV when it was trapped: 福本楼 ... I can see the brown building with the yellow sign 福本楼 at 12:51. I know that 福 = lucky and 楼 = building. Is it correct that "ryokan" (旅館) means "motel" ? However, the 福 character is upside down. So it is kind of like a motel in the USA having their sign say "Wotel". Another earlier post showed the real-life photo of that same building and the character 福 was right-side-up. See post #142 by Symbv for a very interesting answer! |
okanaganNov 2, 2012 11:54 PM
okanagan said: The key ingredient in those old games was rolling the dice. Really? Oh, that's right, you were playing Avalon Hill's D-Day. There was a reason I never much cared for most of the Avalon Hill "Classics". ;) okanagan said: Hmm. You've provided very little context, but I think you've mistaken the ultra control over individual soldiers or first-person shooters with what a simulation of, say, the battle of Gettysburg is doing (which is the same regardless of whether it is via a board or a computer, though in this case I am not talking about the ones that give ultra-control over individual soldiers or first person shooters).That was because generals could not predict the individual actions of soldiers after they issued the order to send them into battle. Modern computer simulations no longer have dice rolls because you use your own eyes and your own fingers. Maybe that's what you want? That's fine. But, it's not real. That's why I don't play those sorts of games. The level of control they give is just as unrealistic as, say, playing a game of stratego. |
CratexNov 2, 2012 8:08 PM
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okanagan said: I was playing Avalon Hill's D-Day in 1975. What a great way to learn Geography and History. It also taught us concentration, patience, and the value of doing our own independent research. All of this transferred 100% to future success in life. Never quite like D-Day.. Those AH "Classic" is more like a general strategy game with some historical educational bits added. But I agree that it provides a lot of training that is beyond just history and military knowledge. I spent quite a lot of time playing AH's "Russian Campaign" when I was a young kid and I consider it time well spent. okanagan said: The key ingredient in those old games was rolling the dice. That was because generals could not predict the individual actions of soldiers after they issued the order to send them into battle. Modern computer simulations no longer have dice rolls because you use your own eyes and your own fingers. I think for " Modern computer simulations" you mean the arcade type of simulation. If you check those grand military simulation games for computer that simulates campaigns like WWII or Napoleon the computer still rolls dice (well it uses its own randomizer but you see my point). I quite like this chance element as it is the critical difference between wargame and most other strategy games where conflict resolution is always deterministic. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
okanagan said: 福 In reply to: symbv Post #124 ... ryokan that is next to Miho's PzIV when it was trapped: 福本楼 ... I can see the brown building with the yellow sign 福本楼 at 12:51. I know that 福 = lucky and 楼 = building. Is it correct that "ryokan" (旅館) means "motel" ? However, the 福 character is upside down. So it is kind of like a motel in the USA having their sign say "Wotel". Another earlier post showed the real-life photo of that same building and the character 福 was right-side-up. GOOD OBSERVATION !! Fans in Japan have been very enthusiastic about this deliberate inverted "FUku" 福 kanji, which shows how meticulous the anime staff insert references in the anime. First, "ryokan" is a Japanese style hotel. It is not a motel. In fact many ryokan are high class and luxurious, but a local ryokan can be like the one you see here which is quite modest.Motel usually locates next to highway and provide cheap accommodation, but ryokan is usually located in tourist spot and prides itself on providing sumptuous dinner with local delicacy as the package. So they are quite different. The Inverted FUKU (which means prosperity/blessedness more than lucky) is a Chinese way to celebrate Chinese New Year, because the Chinese word for "upside down" sounds the same as "coming", so the upside-down FUKU means "Prosperity Coming" in China. What does it have to do with military then, you may ask? I have to go to Japanese forums to find the answer. And everything started with a photo taken near Kharkov in 1943 of a Tiger tank in the 2nd Panzer SS Division here:  Why a German tank would have this Inverted FUKU label?? This stimulated the imagination of the mangaka Motofumi Kobayashi to come up with a manga named "Happy Tiger" in 1993 in which a Japanese soldier got separated from his troop in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol ) at USSR border, lived his life on the nomadic plain, got drafted into Soviet Army, captured by German and later took him as a tank gun loader, and as a lucky charm he stuck an Inverted FUKU label (which he learned about when he lived in Manchuria as a soldier) on his tank. Below is the cover of the manga:  Many Japanese military/tank fans do not even know this but now this manga is becoming hard to find. It is amazing how the anime staff puts in all these little details and sprinkled them around in the anime! |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| i watch only 3~4 episode of eash anime in any Season i watch episode 1 and i think it crap but after 4 episodes it not crap after all i hate MOE and LOLI :( but still i can see nice sport anime + drama - a girl how born in gifted family of pro panzers but she hate it and find that dystny find a way to hunt her down - a girl how learn all her life to be nice pretty but she find out she want to be strong - and 3 air heads :D i gave these anime 5/10 with great hope of become better later on. |
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| They're battling with tanks in the middle of town and nobody gives a shit. They're all applauding. xD Looking forward to the tournament. |
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kemkemmers said: Now that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight! I believe Miho tried to kick the first shell stuck in the right of the Churchill with her second shot. The British commander sensed her intent and managed to turn its thickest part of the armor toward PzIV. The Churchill could have fired sooner but she carefully aimed at PzIV's 7.5cm cannon to neutralize its firepower for certain. kemkemmers said: I know Churchill's turret armor is thick but I don't know the difference compared to PzIV's is so big. Jaw dropped.For your interest, Churchill Mk.VII's front turret armor was formidable 152mm thick while that of PzIV Auf B was only 30mm! |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Both the Mk III and the Mk IV were designed around 1935 at a time when German armor theory was very much tied to mobility, so neither were very heavily armored (both weighing in around 20 tons or so) - the Mk IV wasn't even supposed to be capable of dealing with other tanks as it's role was support, using mostly HE against soft targets. German tanks often came out on the short end when they encountered some of the heavy British and French tanks in 1940, but concentration, better tactics and communications, along with better interior design (British and French tanks often required the commander to also act as gunner AND radio operator - if they had a radio) allowed them to prevail at the critical points when it counted. Thus, though the Mk III was upgunned after the French campaign, the Mk IV wasn't even upgunned to the high velocity 75mm until after they ran into the Soviet T34 and KV 1 in the late summer/early fall of 1941 and found that even the upgunned Mk III couldn't cope with it (and the Mk III was to small to take a more powerful gun). It was really the T-34 that forced the Germans to start adding extra armor and more powerful guns, and then build those big Tigers and Panthers.I know Churchill's turret armor is thick but I don't know the difference compared to PzIV's is so big. Jaw dropped. Now, the history of British tank design before and during the war is a very painful one - it's as if they simply couldn't understand how to design and build one, never mind all the mechanical reliability issues they seemed to be unable to resolve. The Churchill, one of their better efforts, was designed after the war started and specifically designed as an infantry support tank (a concept the Germans didn't have) and thus speed was not needed but heavy armor was desired. As time went on it was up-armored and up-gunned - the one shown in this episode seems to be a later model, so in some sense it was just simply not a fair fight - the early war Mk IV really didn't have a chance. Only the more powerful gun on the Stug could have taken out the Churchill they faced. |
CratexNov 4, 2012 10:56 AM
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symbv said: Sweden did build it's own tanks war they build a light weight model and a medium weight model.1 - Viking (Sweden?) The light weight model the L-60 saw combat in the hands of the Hungarians who had licence build models which they named Toldi however it was no much against the Russian T-34's There medium tanks the Stridsvagn m/42 was a very modern tank for it's time however as far as i know it didn't see combat since Sweden was neutral during WW2. The question is will Sweden be represented by one of the schools so far we have only seem tanks that where used during the war excluding the Type 10 that is. So the question is is this Anime about tanks in general or tanks that where used during the war? |
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