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| @callmeagnew: you really need to go watch something else if you're gonna complain about every god dam thing. this episode was awesome as hell. and what's wrong with sticking with the manga? isn't it what the anime is suppose to do? just nitpicking shit for the hell of it, arnt ya? wish I could give this ep a 10/5, but, I can't. so 5/5. |
| callmeagnew is crazy. |
| I agree with gt and orz :) |
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| Much as I'd like to agree with this season's defenders, I've found the quality of audio in NC to be a step down from the original. Some of it's the soundtrack, but that has been getting better, to the point where I'm alright with it. What really gets to me is the voice/acting and dialogue timing. In this episode more than ever, I felt like the dramatic lines (esp. with Kamogawa and the other boxers) during the soul brace scene were simply being read too fast to create the kind of drama this deserved. It felt like they were speed-reading, and the crying was totally fake-sounding because of it. Even though the vocal cast it the same. Especially after rewatching Kaiji's human derby arc, which was done by the same studio. I actually cried at this scene in the manga, but here it just sort of whizzed past. Don't get me wrong, what has happened here is still very high quality on average, just way below what I consistently got out of season 1. In this season, there's a lot of blood-boiling moments, but not so many emotionally moving ones. Also, I still haven't seen that 25 episodes thing anywhere but here. Does anyone have a collaborative source? |
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Torisunanohokori said: Much as I'd like to agree with this season's defenders, I've found the quality of audio in NC to be a step down from the original. Some of it's the soundtrack, but that has been getting better, to the point where I'm alright with it. What really gets to me is the voice/acting and dialogue timing. In this episode more than ever, I felt like the dramatic lines (esp. with Kamogawa and the other boxers) during the soul brace scene were simply being read too fast to create the kind of drama this deserved. It felt like they were speed-reading, and the crying was totally fake-sounding because of it. Even though the vocal cast it the same. Especially after rewatching Kaiji's human derby arc, which was done by the same studio. I actually cried at this scene in the manga, but here it just sort of whizzed past. Don't get me wrong, what has happened here is still very high quality on average, just way below what I consistently got out of season 1. In this season, there's a lot of blood-boiling moments, but not so many emotionally moving ones. Also, I still haven't seen that 25 episodes thing anywhere but here. Does anyone have a collaborative source? yea, I do agree with you about the music definantly being a step down from the first series. can't argue that at all. but the music has somewhat grown on me, and I enjoy it a lot more, especially these past episodes. and I can respect the rest of your post, as well. |
| Another pretty good episode it feels kinda weird to be seeing Takamura in the position he is in. I somewhat agree that the total package of New Challenger is not up to where the first series was, mainly because such quality is very hard to match. The music isn't as great and the moments maybe aren't as impactful, but that is somewhat contributed by the poorer music selection, but this season is still very high in entertainment value. Although not as intense this show still provides great action and its humor is still fresh. |
| Takamura ;_; Torisunanohokori said: Also, I still haven't seen that 25 episodes thing anywhere but here. Does anyone have a collaborative source? ANN say that it have a total of 26 episodes. |
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| Agree with callmeagnew. Music isn't the biggest problem. Direction could overcome misplaced or mediocre music, but it is definitely exacerbating the clumsy direction. I personally don't like the idea of Hawk having monstrous red eyes, further depreciating whatever humanity is in him. He's just so comical that I can't take it seriously. I can't even really entertain Takamura loosing since there isn't a bit of pathos to be had with Hawk (unlike most every other opponent). I said it in the beginning, but this visual style for NC is much more on the side of Kaiji than it was the first season of HnI. I really don't like it. But at least I have a stronger appreciation for the first series. At this point, I want this fight to end. |
| WTF ?? New challenger is only 25 eposide ? They screwed the best moment in manga. I really disappointed while watching this eposide. |
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| new ep was awesome man hawk is twisted i hope takamura take his fuckin head off |
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Zer0_TR said: theres gonna be a new seriesWTF ?? New challenger is only 25 eposide ? They screwed the best moment in manga. I really disappointed while watching this eposide. |
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| Takamura is sexy as hell with his hair messed up, no? Also LOL when they all started crying. xD |
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| fucking awesome episode what fantastic anime this is why i love this serie |
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| Takamura will slap him around. |
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| I love the critics about the red eyes... XD http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/391/02/ Here, you can see it's not for the fun of the animation but the manga have "red" eyes too. :) |
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| You must mean me since I'm the only one who mentioned it. That reference to the manga means nothing. How does that change or nullify my opinion on the use of it? If I were reading the manga in black and white, I probably never would have given it a second thought, or probably even ignored it as some kind of mistake. This is the problem folks, and I believe I've said it before: The anime is an adaptation of the manga. To me there are things that work in a manga that come off as comical in an animated, full color format. Moreover, there is no precedent (in the show at least) of doing something so ridiculous. It undervalues the menace of Hawk, and therefore the fight all together when crappy decisions like this are made. |
ShiroiRyu said: I love the critics about the red eyes... XD http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/391/02/ Here, you can see it's not for the fun of the animation but the manga have "red" eyes too. :) You're right. Everybody knows that black and white is really red. |
callmeagnew said: the big problem with this season in all honesty is the director, now let me say why. A good director in my opinion is someone like nishimura who did the first season of ippo and trigun, in ippo he too took thigns out present in the manga such as the mike tyson information in the beginning and such as the kenta v hayami fight ( but this one was obviously due to trime constraints of the OVA) and black aoki before the ozma fight. However nishimura although he takes out he breathes life into the anime by improving upon scenes in the manga and giving the anime a better feel, an example being scenes such as the sendo fight and and kimura v mashiba, as well as the comedic scenes. In trigun the story diverges from the manga half way through but once again he shows his expertise as a director by IMO doing things better than they where executed in the manga such as the death of a certain character in episode 23. Another good director would be noriyuki abe, who has done my personal favourite anime, yu yu hakusho, and a lot of other well known shounen anime, in yu yu hakusho he managed to take the material from the manga by following but improved upon it in the anime, such as giving the anime a better ending which is widely agreed. In the GTO anime, the Tomoko arc has an emotional ending which in the manga is totally different, however in the anime noriyuki abe improved upon how it was done in the manga by changing the scene and making it a lot more powerful. This is why i consdier these two people good directors as they take the source material and add their own flare to it whilst remaning true to the material presented. However, new challenger's director, jun shishido just follows the manga TOO closely like some amateur and adds nothing to it, there is just nothign there, as a result the scenes come across as looking random or out of place and overall it comes across looking choppy and just very poor. Such as the taka v hawk fight right now, in the manga this fight is my favourite so i couldn't wait to see it in anime form, however the fight in anime form is just a huge letdown, it lacks the raw intensity of Ippo v Sendo, which under better direction this fight should have easily surpassed. If i wanted to read the manga i would and i do, i don't want to watch the manga. Is this season a worthy successor to the previous season? no should it have been? yes The director ruined this anime, this season was unfortunate to come out during a bad time where nishimura and tsuneo wasn't avaliable and as a result fell in the hands of this incompetent. These are my honest thoughts on the whole debate which has raged on since the beginning of new challenger. Taking out anything that is in the manga is bullshit. The worst was when he put canon material in the fucking ending of episode 75 instead of making some more episodes. Also some stuff has been removed in this season so it is not exactly a copy. |
callmeagnew said: ''Taking out anything that is in the manga is bullshit. The worst was when he put canon material in the fucking ending of episode 75 instead of making some more episodes.'' it's not bullshit when it's done to make the anime flow better and how can he have the say to make more episodes? that logic doesn't even make sense. ''Also some stuff has been removed in this season so it is not exactly a copy. '' you just said it was bullshit to omit stuff from the manga, now your defending the new series for doing it? okay... I'm not defending it. I said it wasn't an exact copy like you said it was. |
ParaParaJMo said: Drunk_Samurai said: ShiroiRyu said: I love the critics about the red eyes... XD http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/391/02/ Here, you can see it's not for the fun of the animation but the manga have "red" eyes too. :) You're right. Everybody knows that black and white is really red. well, i guess you can play the games and see that with medgoen dachboy's eyes ParaParaJMo said: Drunk_Samurai said: ShiroiRyu said: I love the critics about the red eyes... XD http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/391/02/ Here, you can see it's not for the fun of the animation but the manga have "red" eyes too. :) You're right. Everybody knows that black and white is really red. well, i guess you can play the games and see that with medgoen dachboy's eyes So what? Games are not canon. |
| OMG!! nagging, nagging. First the soundtrack. It seems more to me that is because people loved the first soundtrack and they were use to it and in some occasions to fanatic about it also. Really i find nothing wrong with the music. Actually when Takamura gave back that combination while Hawk was beating him, there was some really nice music. Also when they were showing Hawks past i didn't heart any strong 'i will win" music like callmeagnew said. All i heard was a single piano playing slow music. Anyway music is just matter of taste so some like it some don't. You can't keep everyone happy. For example i like the new OP a lot better than the old one in Hajime no Ippo. Others might not. I agree to some degree with the eyes but not that the director shouldn' t do anything with them but rather not to it so intensely. I mean not only they were glowing red but green also. But still, saying that everything happening suddenly wasn't important because i don't like that guys eyes is going too far. This episode delivered exactly what people had problem before. The more sentiment in the fight that wasn't so strong and all that but they just find another thing to complain about. The fact that the two first pages about this episode is full of bashing about a series that even if we say it's not as good as the first, is still better than lot's of other shows out there that just get some sympathy comments about there mediocre episodes it's kind of too much. The episode was good the series is still enjoyable and with the sentimental element more intense, this one was probably the best of the Hawk Vs Takamura episodes until now. Hawk is crazy as hell seeing also from his past but is nothing surprising really, such type of persons are not that uncommon and in reality you can find even worse. By the way didn't Takamura look a lot cooler with his hair messed up? He got his ass kicked and he became a ladies man.^_^ |
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callmeagnew said: ''Taking out anything that is in the manga is bullshit. The worst was when he put canon material in the fucking ending of episode 75 instead of making some more episodes.'' it's not bullshit when it's done to make the anime flow better and how can he have the say to make more episodes? that logic doesn't even make sense. ''Also some stuff has been removed in this season so it is not exactly a copy. '' you just said it was bullshit to omit stuff from the manga, now your defending the new series for doing it? okay... I actually missed the first part of your comment. It is bullshit. Regardless of a reason. People who say that don't read manga. Manga is always better. Removing canon material for any reason is bullshit. Which is why I rated it a 9 and not a 10. It didn't deserve a 10 for that bullshit. |
| Epic episode. Far better than the last three episodes, by far, even if the direction is still weak. At least we can understand how great the original manga was (and how the first series was a faithful adaptation to his manga). |
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callmeagnew said: you need to calm down lmao you sound really sad. If a manga or anime is better can be widely disputed, there is no be all end all to that question. Sure there is. Removing anything from the manga is bullshit. People with no brain and no taste say otherwise. |
| The last scene kind of screamed at me, "Dead man walking" |
| Does anyone know where the manga picks up after this season is over because I really wish to start up the manga where the series leaves off. |
vindemon64 said: The last scene kind of screamed at me, "Dead man walking" Fuck this episode was awesome! almost made me cry seeing Takamura like that. |
| sorry couldn't help yah god dragon never read a manga in my life well..... except one exception... anyways i seriously don't understand why are people complaining about the sound and everything, to me they are good thats all it matters. I SEROUSLY WANT THE NEXT EPISODE TO COME OUT NOW ITS SUCH A LONG WAIT..... Anyone knows who win?? |
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| Jeez. Seems like people's standards are set way too high. Most of the complaints seem to stem from the fact that it just doesn't compare to season 1. On it's own, I think it's a pretty damn good one. I felt some impact at a few points in the fight and it gives a high adrenaline rush overall. Either I'm really sensitive or you guys just nit-pick too much. The music's good, the animation is great, a little bit over the top but great nonetheless and overall. Just enjoy the anime for what it is >.> |
| Manly tears... go Takamura! |
| Nooo Takamura =/ and I was so sure he would cruise in to a win >< but I have to admit his hairstyle now is much better than his usual one =] |
| The whole spirits picking him back up again is so freaking lame. Still, a good episode. |
The image of everyone holding up a half dead Takamura was just amazing. This episode was full of emotion and I loved it. Everyone crying as they could see his dream dying right in front of them. But I'm sure there's still some spark to be had. Hopefully this doesn't end with him completely broken like what happened to Date. |
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| good episode, bit prolonged though, should have ended it as a ko this episode -_- |
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| Great episode! First time to see Takamura's hair in disarray. It must mean that this is one hellava tough fight! In moments where I felt there wasn't anymore chances.. Takamura would always push for that extra effort.. I can see there's a lot of people motivating and wishing he'll win.. I still think he still has what it takes to win the belt :-) |
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| I am legitimately scared to watch the next episode. |
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