| my vote goes for ... kiritsugu. |
| Shirou. |
| Long coats and killing people makes you more mature, so Kerry. He it's also an adult, which makes him inherently more mature and cool. |
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| kiritsugu |
| BAN ME |
WormPriest said: VN Shirou. FTFY~ |
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| Kiristsugu. He went the farthest in his ideals. Shirou just kind of.. didn't go at all. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| Shirou and it's painfully obvious. Shirou doesn't want to use a miracle to change the world. Kerry wants to change the world with a miracle when he doesn't even have any idea on his own about how to do that. Doesn't exactly scream maturity. |
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| If it's UBW Shirou, then of course it'll be him. Kiritsugu accomplished many things and saved many people, but that was at the cost of his own 'self'. It would not be inaccurate to say that he sacrificed his own life for th sake of everyone else's lives. Many times, he's been referenced as a little kid in an adult man's body (even using the pronoun 'boku'), and that's exactly what he is. Let's face it, Kiritsugu's lifestyle is self-destructive, and while it may be dark, in no way can it be considered 'idealistically mature'. Rather than being mature, it's more like he's given up. Like a kid who couldn't handle the harsh reality, and so dedicated his whole life to changing it. Shirou may not save quite as many people, but the important thing is that, after the events of UBW, he will know how to cherish life in a way that Kiritsugu doesn't... It's a much healthier, much more mature way to live. ... People, we're not talking about which one is 'darker', 'edgier' here. We're talking about which one is more MATURE. In no way can coldly murdering all perceived threats, just in case those people ends up killing others, doing it over and over hoping that someday all the bad guys will disappear, even though you know that's impossible - be a mature way to live. He's not living his life, he's not enjoying his life, he's just trying to be a machine even though it hurts, and he'll break down in tears the first chance he gets like the miserable man he is. Seriously, who wants to live like that? |
CarenPriestessApr 8, 2015 8:53 AM
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| ^ Doesn't really help Kiritsugu's case that he is trying to rely on a powerful wish granting device to change reality itself in order for it to suit his ideals. |
CarenPriest said: Let's face it, Kiritsugu's lifestyle is self-destructive, and while it may be dark, in no way can it be considered 'idealistically mature'. Rather than being mature, it's more like he's given up. Like a kid who couldn't handle the harsh reality, and so dedicated his whole life to changing it. But he wears a long coat so more points to him. |
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| Kiritsgu. Any comparison between the two, only make Shirou even worse than he already is. |
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| Maybe you should have created this poll after the anime is finished since Shirou's character isn't fleshed out yet. |
| Comparing them makes Kerry look like the man-child he is tbh. Edginess != maturity. |
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nocorras said: Comparing them makes Kerry look like the man-child he is tbh. Edginess != maturity. Exactly~ As you said, the clearest difference between them is their goals in the Holy Grail War, which should be plain and clear to everyone here, even to those who haven't played the VN yet or dislike Shirou's character in the anime~ Kiritsugu wants to rely on a dangerous wish-granting device to change the laws of the world in a vague way, while Shirou just wants it gone so no one will end up being hurt by it. Of the two, who is the one being childish, and who is the one being mature? |
CarenPriestessApr 8, 2015 9:00 AM
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| Obvious answer is Shirou. Edit: UBW Shirou to be exact, Fate Shirou is too idealistic and HF Shirou is... Well he doesn't really fall under idealistic at all. UBW Shirou is balance, and balance is best. |
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| Shirou. |
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CarenPriest said: In no way can coldly murdering all perceived threats, just in case those people ends up killing others, doing it over and over hoping that someday all the bad guys will disappear, even though you know that's impossible - be a mature way to live. Exactly. Shirou realizes his ideal cannot become reality, but he chases after it regardless of that due to the sake of his own selfishness and the belief that it is a beautiful ideal. Kiritsugu kills his own self for the sake of chasing after his ideals and slaughters people that are 'threats' in hope that sooner or later, evil will disappear. Shirou's ideals saves people. Kiritsugu's kills people. Also, Shirou wouldn't kill his own family for the sake of chasing after an ideal, but would rather betray it. Most importantly, Shirou accepted failure and Kiritsugu didn't until he realized that the Grail cannot grant his wish. |
tsudecimo said: Shirou is already miles better than Kiritsugu though.Kiritsgu. Any comparison between the two, only make Shirou even worse than he already is. Seriously; character, development, ideals, abilities, and even fights (Kerry had only 1 fight so meh), AND he actually has a reason to want to be a hero aside from it being a simple kid's wish. Also he doesn't fuck himself over well he does in some bad ends but that's besides the point. Shirou >>>>>>>> Kiritsugu. |
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| Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life. |
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| This thread isn't as funny as i expected. |
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| Lml. Even we have to be serious sometimes. |
| Easily UBW Shirou |
Feaor said: But you haven't seen/read F/Z :<Easily UBW Shirou |
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| Kiritsugu is badass, Shirou isn't. Simple |
GARBrotato said: As if that really matters, I'm here for the shitting on F/Z party ;)Feaor said: But you haven't seen/read F/Z :<Easily UBW Shirou |
Feaor said: Actually now that I think about it HF should pretty much tell you all you need about him.GARBrotato said: As if that really matters, I'm here for the shitting on F/Z party ;)But you haven't seen/read F/Z :< |
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chat77 said: Shirou-We are not talking about people wearing long coats,smoking,blowing up random buildings and depending on a wish granting miracle to grant his wish.UBW Shirou at the end has a more mature and healthier outlook towards life. |
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GARBrotato said: Well Kirei's monologue about him made me certainly dislike him, he takes utilitarianism to an extreme which is obviously bad.Feaor said: Actually now that I think about it HF should pretty much tell you all you need about him.As if that really matters, I'm here for the shitting on F/Z party ;) |
Naisugai_Ferial said: Kiritsugu doesn't get to sayKiritsugu is badass, Shirou isn't. Simple So I beg to differ. |
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Naisugai_Ferial said: Kiritsugu is badass, Shirou isn't. Simple And that has what to do with the question at hand? Kiritsugu being dark edgelord doesn't automatically make his ideal mature. Not to mention that anime-only watchers still don't know Shirou properly. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| People overlook character flaws if a character is edgy/badass. Just go to reddit and read about Kerry "omg he's so badass" never a mention of him wanting to overwrite reality with a wish granting device. GARBrotato said: Naisugai_Ferial said: Kiritsugu doesn't get to sayKiritsugu is badass, Shirou isn't. Simple So I beg to differ. If they have him shounenesque scream that line I'm going to flip tables. |
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| Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and he kills people. |
Z4k said: Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and kills people. You forgot *cheating on his wife* |
Z4k said: Kiritsugu (...) kills people. (Fate route spoiler) |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Theorder14 said: Z4k said: Kiritsugu because he smokes, wears a long coat and kills people. You forgot *cheating on his wife* The definition of maturity right here |
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| Of course the Shirou wins in an anime forum that has him as the main character. Put this in the Fate Zero board and the results would be the opposite. |
Gov said: Of course the Shirou wins in an anime forum that has him as the main character. Put this in the Fate Zero board and the results would be the opposite. Why don't you try then? The result might just surprise you..;) |
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Journey_95 said: We're talking about who has a more mature view/ideal, not who do you like better (just clarifying since you can like Shirou and find Kiritsugu's approach to be more mature or the other way around).Kiritsugu no doubt UBW Shirou was great too Both Fate and HF Shirou sucked ass nocorras said: Hey man don't jinx it; this is one of the three scenes I want to see done perfectly in this adaptation and I'm already salty about one of them (back to back). Ruining this scene by making him go all UDW will make me rage so hard that unless Answer gets 2 full episodes I'll pretend this anime doesn't even exist.If they have him shounenesque scream that line I'm going to flip tables. |
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Gov said: Of course the Shirou wins in an anime forum that has him as the main character. Put this in the Fate Zero board and the results would be the opposite. Please do it. I want to know. |
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bluntRespect said: Why don't you try then? The result might just surprise you..;) Praland said: Please do it. I want to know.. Alright. I will make the thread. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Gov said: Of course the Shirou wins in an anime forum that has him as the main character. Put this in the Fate Zero board and the results would be the opposite. The point.......... How about putting it on a type-moon instead and see the results? Put it in a type moon forum and Shirou wins with 80% of votes. |
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nocorras said: Somewhere like Beast's Lair you mean?Dragon_Slayer_X said: The point.......... How about putting it on a type-moon instead and see the results? Put it in a type moon forum and Shirou wins with 80% of votes. |
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GARBrotato said: nocorras said: Somewhere like Beast's Lair you mean?Put it in a type moon forum and Shirou wins with 80% of votes. Yeah, but there it might be higher than 80 but I don't go there enough to know. |
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| Seriously, people think "Kiritsugu is so immature because he wants to let a dangerous miracle-granting device to end human suffering and bring world peace, despite not having any idea how to do it." Look, a miracle is a miracle and the grail was supposed to grant such wishes. If you wish for a bag of potato chips from a genie, you shouldn't be required to know the details of how a bag of potato chips is manufactured in the assembly line. He acknowledges that it would take a miracle in order to fulfill his ideals, and guess what, there's a grail that can supposedly grant just that. As far as he's concerned, this is the perfect opportunity. And no, he did NOT know that the grail was corrupted. Some people seem to forget this. |
nocorras said: GARBrotato said: Somewhere like Beast's Lair you mean? Yeah, but there it might be higher than 80 but I don't go there enough to know. It will be over 90 % trust me....they hate Kiritsugu with a passion..;) |
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GARBrotato said: nocorras said: Somewhere like Beast's Lair you mean?Put it in a type moon forum and Shirou wins with 80% of votes. Beasts Lair will have 0 votes and would derail into shit in five seconds. Also full of secondaries. |
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