Jarring score difference

Jan 2, 2014 5:50 PM

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Has anyone else found the huge difference between scores of Chaos Head and Serial Experiments Lain jarring? It's very confusing, because they're very similar shows, with almost exactly the same pitfalls. Both are train wrecks that leave you with more unanswered questions than any new thoughts they both promise. The only reason I can think of why people would consider Chaos Head a lot worse is that its based on VN and can therefore be considered adaptation decay, or that the characters are annoying (as opposed to just flat, as in Lain).

Jan 2, 2014 6:10 PM

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Jan 2, 2014 6:29 PM

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Lain is "okay" but overrated by the 'mature anime for mature viewers like me' crowd and thus is rated fairly well.

Chaos;Head is just fucking terrible - and no, it's not 'adaptation decay', the VN is godawful garbage too.

Feb 8, 2014 11:11 PM

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TallonKarrde23 said:
Lain is "okay" but overrated by the 'mature anime for mature viewers like me' crowd and thus is rated fairly well.

Chaos;Head is just fucking terrible - and no, it's not 'adaptation decay', the VN is godawful garbage too.

this guy is actually mentally retarded. i have seen nothing from bullshit spewed from this guys mouth and i have seen him on multiple threads.

it most certainly is an example of Adaptation decay, you take a visual novel that is 10 hours to complete at minimum, take away all of the fun of branching delusions, censor the fuck out of it and cram 10 - 30 hours of content into 12 episodes

12 episodes, lets do some math.

12episodes x 27minutes = 324 minutes / 60 minutes = 5.4 hours.

YOU COULD MARATHON CHAOS HEAD IN HALF THE MINIMUM ESTIMATED TIME TO READ THE VISUAL NOVEL.

That, is a true definition of Adaptation Decay, take it from someone who just finished the visual novel.

the source material was far too much and too non linear to cram into a 12 episode anime.

The VN is good, by no means great. i would rate it highly 8/10 the anime however i dont think i could stomach to watch it.

* i'm nit trying to personally attack you, but stop spouting bullshit*

you get mad props from me for having gunslinger girl as one of your favourite manga, it is pretty much the only manga that ever made me openly cry.

Feb 8, 2014 11:13 PM

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Lopkir said:

this guy is actually mentally retarded.

Thanks for your internet diagnosis, you must have quite the PhD to make such an allegation.

Feb 8, 2014 11:16 PM

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PhD = pretty huge dick

why thank you, but you left out my reasoning. i made many valid points to why what he said was flat out Ignorant.

Cheers

Feb 8, 2014 11:25 PM

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Lopkir said:
PhD = pretty huge dick

why thank you, but you left out my reasoning. i made many valid points to why what he said was flat out Ignorant.

I was going to say sine qua non but I felt pretentious just typing it.

You're still founding your reasoning as to why Chaos;Head is a shoddy adaptation solely on it's pacing. Who's to say he didn't have fundamental problems with the series on both mediums?

Furthermore, adaptation decay is irrelevant to the rating of this series, nobody is going to give the Anime a higher rating because they liked the Visual Novel.

Feb 8, 2014 11:57 PM

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woah woah woah, slow down thier cowboy.

1. i never said the source Material was flawless

2. "solely on pacing"

- "the source material was far too much" *entirely different ( the pacing was caused by this to be sure, but its the removal of content that i was talking about)

- " too non linear" the branching delusions from the novel in praticular ^ KINDA the same thing ( im tired man)

- "censor the fuck out of it " *its pretty bad*

- the terrible pacing

there. i clarified why it is a bad adaptation, if i continue on with this conversation ill start pissing my self off.

just to ice this one.

Feb 13, 2014 3:49 AM

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Lopkir said:
woah woah woah, slow down thier cowboy.

1. i never said the source Material was flawless

2. "solely on pacing"

- "the source material was far too much" *entirely different ( the pacing was caused by this to be sure, but its the removal of content that i was talking about)

- " too non linear" the branching delusions from the novel in praticular ^ KINDA the same thing ( im tired man)

- "censor the fuck out of it " *its pretty bad*

- the terrible pacing

there. i clarified why it is a bad adaptation, if i continue on with this conversation ill start pissing my self off.

just to ice this one.

100% agreed^
We can even say the same goes to 11Eyes (besides the level-up by sex bullshit, just like Fate Stay Night, another adaptation massacre)

Jul 12, 2014 5:12 AM

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I've never messed with the VN for this one, nor was I able to sit through Lain's 2nd episode or any thereafter.

I'm going to spoiler tag the rest of my post in case someone who hasn't seen this one stumbles across this thread...

However, I was able to sit through this one completely in one sitting. And, God, I hated Takumi. A delusional delusion driving himself insane by creating himself through the power of manifesting delusions... have we got to the point where this is a convoluted mess yet?

Alright, so all in all it wasn't a bad anime. The story was actually very interesting, and the atmosphere was set pretty good through the delusions of the MC. What really ruined it for me was how there was no character development at all in Takumi until the last two episodes. Even if he wasn't going to get his Di-Sword until the end there could have been some development in his character learning to cope with everything slowly. Instead, he goes the entire series being told to learn to cope with it while yelling for some random chick to save him. Then, in the penultimate episode he suddenly "awakens" and learns to cope with himself all in one fell swoop. Instant gratification much? His progression could have been handled better, and I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that it was in the VN.

I gave this one a 6/10 as my final score. I wanted to give it a higher rating, at least a 7 but maybe even an 8, but I just couldn't bring myself to forgive the terrible handling of our annoyingly unfortunate delusional delusion.

I would like to say that Rimi was the most redeeming part of this series, but I'm not sure I really believe that. I thought Ayase might be a nice redeeming quality at first, but she turned out to be crazier than Takumi. Nanami was just annoying, nothing more than siscon fodder. Sena was a plank, and Kozu-pii was the cute loli. I had Shogun pegged as the real Takumi from the very start, not sure why they waited so long to reveal him considering how plain it was from the very start. The other girl crazy friend from school was an idiot. The bad guy was cliche. That brings me back to Rimi, I'd have to say she really was the most redeeming part of this series, but I can't really say I believe myself when I say that. She was presented as cute and dumb for most of the series, damsel in distress for the end of the series, and her motivations were pure even if misguided. So, as much as I just complained about every single character in this series, the characters were probably the best part. Maybe I'll rewatch this down the road and score it higher then, I don't know.

So, back to the original post... This series is scored just under a 7 here on MAL while Lain is just under an 8. That's not really a jarring difference, and while I couldn't sit through Lain I wouldn't call this series a trainwreck. In fact, I'm thinking that word doesn't mean what you think it does. But, this is all just my opinions.

Odds are I'm not going to find my way back to a thread after my first post, it happens on occasion but not often. So, if I say something that offends you and you feel the need to force your opinion on me because obviously everyone should have your opinion or none at all, feel free to post it in the thread that I'll probably never see again. However, if you are interested in intelligent discourse, feel free to message me.

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