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Mr_Panda said:
After reviewing Cyborg 009, I'm thinking of adding it in as the first "sentai" anime/manga. If anyone knows of a reason not to, let me know. Working on verifying some others.

Mr_Panda said:
Critical acclaim can be a factor, depending on the nature. Usually it would have to be something fairly substantial though. Spirited Away's winning an Academy Award, Pokemon's earth-shattering impact in pop culture, or Doreamon's status as Japan's cultural ambassador are examples. I would also see merit in making a case that a given anime, while not being the first, was the one that brought a concept, archtype, or other such idea into the mainstream/public eye.

I'll filter through the list and see how many I can unravel. In the mean time: not sure about Patalliro just yet, but the two written-form entries look good.

Also: flygon is awesome (getting that into the database).

Also: I think you can add it on your own you know, but I did it. :p

Mr_Panda said:
Your enthusiasm is appreciated, but in the interests of keeping the thread clean, could you condense everything into one post in the future? :P

I'm actually surprised Android Kikaider isn't already on there. Thought I had it. Then again, nothing's been updated in forever. I'll add it to things to do once the winter break hits.

>.> Whether or not you think the Oscar is a good award or not, it represents a historical milestone in recognition of the anime medium on an international scale.

I don't think winning the Animage Grand Prix would--necessarily--be a sufficient cause. While it's been around since the 70s, it's solely based on the readership of the magazine.

"The Anime Grand Prix is annual prize decided by the readers' votes to the anime of the year. The Anime Grand Prix started in 1979, and the first prize was announced at the issue 1980 January, generally announced at the next year's June issue every year."

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Mr_Panda said:
The only source I have on Animage's selection method is the following excerpt:


I can't find any sources that indicate the readers aren't the primary determiners of the ones that win. If you have any, by all means post for consideration. Under current circumstances, I could make an argument that the FIRST title to win the award has historical value (due to the mag's long run), but any subsequent titles there would need to be additional factors. Which--likely--there are for some of them.

Kurosawa won two Oscars in his life, and was nominated on multiple occasions. Unless you're just referring to the Best Director award? He was nominated for that one, but didn't win. Even then, just being nominated is sufficient recognition of talent. I'm not sure
what your beef with the Oscars is on this point. :(

Mr_Panda said:
When it comes to the Oscars, the first thing you have to do is get nominated. :p We're a bit off-topic since we're going outside the view of anime, but just to clear the air here a bit. Specifically in the case of Kurosawa, I recall that in the early portion of his career he was unpopular in the Japanese film industry, which resulted in his work not getting several nominations (they apparently have a say in the issue). I'm not as familiar with some of the other people on the list, but I do know Hitchcock's films received multiple awards including Best Picture. Just in defense of the Oscars here. But what I'd like to point out is I'm applying the same rule I said for Animage that I would use for the Oscars. The first anime to win a particular Oscar seems--to me--to make it important. It represents a groundbreaking event for that particular title, and for the anime industry to receive such a prestigious award for the first time. If additional anime win the same award, I would not consider that as historically relevant, and would likely not include them on the list if that was the only thing they contributed to history. :p I promise, I tend to be consistent with my rules for choosing.

Moving on...

I don't particularly resent Disney. I do resent the average consumer who often thinks cartoons are for kids, and so the world's greatest animation studio is locked into making stuff for kids/general audiences. Disney occasionally gets away with shifting out of that mold: see the Hunchback of Notre Dame, the Great Mouse Detective, and the Black Cauldron. If we're arguing on a purely artistic level, I don't have a problem with either Disney style or with their success.

And honestly, Dreamworks is just a bit of a joke. :p Give me Don Bluth over them any day.

Mr_Panda said:
When it comes to the Oscars, the first thing you have to do is get nominated. :p We're a bit off-topic since we're going outside the view of anime, but just to clear the air here a bit. Specifically in the case of Kurosawa, I recall that in the early portion of his career he was unpopular in the Japanese film industry, which resulted in his work not getting several nominations (they apparently have a say in the issue). I'm not as familiar with some of the other people on the list, but I do know Hitchcock's films received multiple awards including Best Picture. Just in defense of the Oscars here. But what I'd like to point out is I'm applying the same rule I said for Animage that I would use for the Oscars. The first anime to win a particular Oscar seems--to me--to make it important. It represents a groundbreaking event for that particular title, and for the anime industry to receive such a prestigious award for the first time. If additional anime win the same award, I would not consider that as historically relevant, and would likely not include them on the list if that was the only thing they contributed to history. :p I promise, I tend to be consistent with my rules for choosing.

Moving on...

I don't particularly resent Disney. I do resent the average consumer who often thinks cartoons are for kids, and so the world's greatest animation studio is locked into making stuff for kids/general audiences. Disney occasionally gets away with shifting out of that mold: see the Hunchback of Notre Dame, the Great Mouse Detective, and the Black Cauldron. If we're arguing on a purely artistic level, I don't have a problem with either Disney style or with their success.

And honestly, Dreamworks is just a bit of a joke. :p Give me Don Bluth over them any day.

Mr_Panda said:
WOAH now, Mulan taught us to BEEEEE A MAAAAN! ^_^