| The way Urasawa draws buildings and people in such a realistic fashion. And how he gets you in invested in every character, not just Johan. |
| not my favorite anymore sadly but i'll never forget that one twist somewhere around the halfway point that literally made my jaw drop the first time i watched it. my jaw has never physically been dropped before and since that scene. |
 |
kaguyasama2004 said: ryzxgum said: not my favorite anymore sadly but i'll never forget that one twist somewhere around the halfway point that literally made my jaw drop the first time i watched it. my jaw has never physically been dropped before and since that scene. was it when jonah read the monster book? funny part is my friend actually spoiled me on it accidentally before i watched it, so i was expecting it but it still blew my mind when it happened lmao. |
|
| Monster is one of my favourite pieces of animated fiction ever, the other being Steins;Gate, Death Note and Gravity Falls. The sheer brilliance of the story is just unfathomable. The way Urasawa wrote each and every character, detailing their journeys as they all reveal their inner monsters sooner or later, is just amazing. Not to mention that the thrill of it all is elevated by the beautiful ost of the anime. Masterpiece. |
| Peak fiction should be considered the best piece of fiction to ever come out. This is not it chief. I love the show to bits but no way in hell this is “peak fiction”. |
| The main plot makes no sense, the love life of Eva is the only truly well done part of this show. |
 |
sarahhale said: JaniSIr said: The main plot makes no sense, the love life of Eva is the only truly well done part of this show. I followed the story narrative perfectly well ๐ I followed it too, it just kinda went nowhere . Johan was hyped up, but ultimately wasn't ever on screen. Tenma got no character development, and his views were never vindicated. Anna just kept swooning after the library fire, and did nothing else. The pacing is atrocious, it's riddled with recap, and dragging out everything so that the episode can end on a cliffhanger. It did a couple things right, like having many strong male side characters, and I really liked having Eva on screen, but ultimately it was a huge disappointment. |
|
JaniSIr said: I followed it too, it just kinda went nowhere . Johan was hyped up, but ultimately wasn't ever on screen. Tenma got no character development, and his views were never vindicated. Anna just kept swooning after the library fire, and did nothing else. The pacing is atrocious, it's riddled with recap, and dragging out everything so that the episode can end on a cliffhanger. It did a couple things right, like having many strong male side characters, and I really liked having Eva on screen, but ultimately it was a huge disappointment. johan has less screentime because it makes it special when he's on the screen, yk it's just a different feeling. (quality over quantity) and how does a show become bad if a character is not developed. (character development is overrated tbh) Anna had to be traumatized after knowing her past, she was a very good perspective on understanding johan. The show has to be slow, it mixes with the shows environment well. Can't imagine monster being fast paced, that would change a lot. |
| Yep, I finished the manga in like two or three weeks. It was great. |
  Arteta's Tricky Reds!   |
vinnywizanime said: JaniSIr said: I followed it too, it just kinda went nowhere . Johan was hyped up, but ultimately wasn't ever on screen. Tenma got no character development, and his views were never vindicated. Anna just kept swooning after the library fire, and did nothing else. The pacing is atrocious, it's riddled with recap, and dragging out everything so that the episode can end on a cliffhanger. It did a couple things right, like having many strong male side characters, and I really liked having Eva on screen, but ultimately it was a huge disappointment. johan has less screentime because it makes it special when he's on the screen, yk it's just a different feeling. (quality over quantity) and how does a show become bad if a character is not developed. (character development is overrated tbh) Anna had to be traumatized after knowing her past, she was a very good perspective on understanding johan. The show has to be slow, it mixes with the shows environment well. Can't imagine monster being fast paced, that would change a lot. It's neither really. Johan is supposed to be this charismatic criminal mastermind, but without seeing how he operates it's kind of meaningless. My guess is that the author didn't know how to make a character that lives up to the hype he built up around him, so he just didn't. Also Johan just seems to have authorial knowledge, his complex plans just work, but we were never shown how he did it. Stories are inherently dynamic things, it's important what changes, and characters are generally very important in stories. Static characters aren't necessarily a bad thing, if the scope of the story is larger than life. Like Warhammer 40k characters are generally just representations of their faction, who die on short notice. If Tenma's viewpoint of no killing under any circumstances would have been justified by the end, I would have been fine with it, but he basically just allowed Johan to run amok, when shooting him in the foot could have resolved the plot. Anna was a flashback machine. That's not a full character... And you could cut down the runtime to like 50 episodes without significantly changing anything. It does not need to be fast paced, but it's wasting time to force cliffhangers at the end of the episodes. |
|
JaniSIr said: vinnywizanime said: johan has less screentime because it makes it special when he's on the screen, yk it's just a different feeling. (quality over quantity) and how does a show become bad if a character is not developed. (character development is overrated tbh) Anna had to be traumatized after knowing her past, she was a very good perspective on understanding johan. The show has to be slow, it mixes with the shows environment well. Can't imagine monster being fast paced, that would change a lot. It's neither really. Johan is supposed to be this charismatic criminal mastermind, but without seeing how he operates it's kind of meaningless. My guess is that the author didn't know how to make a character that lives up to the hype he built up around him, so he just didn't. Also Johan just seems to have authorial knowledge, his complex plans just work, but we were never shown how he did it. Stories are inherently dynamic things, it's important what changes, and characters are generally very important in stories. Static characters aren't necessarily a bad thing, if the scope of the story is larger than life. Like Warhammer 40k characters are generally just representations of their faction, who die on short notice. If Tenma's viewpoint of no killing under any circumstances would have been justified by the end, I would have been fine with it, but he basically just allowed Johan to run amok, when shooting him in the foot could have resolved the plot. Anna was a flashback machine. That's not a full character... And you could cut down the runtime to like 50 episodes without significantly changing anything. It does not need to be fast paced, but it's wasting time to force cliffhangers at the end of the episodes. monster leaves a lot of things to our interpretation, not just johans plans. It's a great way of storytelling like you're assuming stuff and filling the blanks yourself, which is a great way of storytelling in my opinion. It doesnt seem like its for you , it's for imaginative people I guess who likes to fill the gaps with their own imagination. Tenma believes that all lives our equal and johan believes that death is equal to all humans. Johan wanted tenma to I think not stick with his morals and show him he has a monster inside him too by killing johan. but tenma didn't kill him and revived him again and johans plan tbf fails. Oh and that flashback machine is really important for the story, increased a lot more curiousity on who johan really is. It's a mystery story, I really don't think it's for everyone and judging by the fact you have code geass on your favs which I tbh thought was really average which just shows we are different and theres no point in arguing if a show I good or bad. Peace โ๐ป |
vinnywizanime said: JaniSIr said: It's neither really. Johan is supposed to be this charismatic criminal mastermind, but without seeing how he operates it's kind of meaningless. My guess is that the author didn't know how to make a character that lives up to the hype he built up around him, so he just didn't. Also Johan just seems to have authorial knowledge, his complex plans just work, but we were never shown how he did it. Stories are inherently dynamic things, it's important what changes, and characters are generally very important in stories. Static characters aren't necessarily a bad thing, if the scope of the story is larger than life. Like Warhammer 40k characters are generally just representations of their faction, who die on short notice. If Tenma's viewpoint of no killing under any circumstances would have been justified by the end, I would have been fine with it, but he basically just allowed Johan to run amok, when shooting him in the foot could have resolved the plot. Anna was a flashback machine. That's not a full character... And you could cut down the runtime to like 50 episodes without significantly changing anything. It does not need to be fast paced, but it's wasting time to force cliffhangers at the end of the episodes. monster leaves a lot of things to our interpretation, not just johans plans. It's a great way of storytelling like you're assuming stuff and filling the blanks yourself, which is a great way of storytelling in my opinion. It doesnt seem like its for you , it's for imaginative people I guess who likes to fill the gaps with their own imagination. Tenma believes that all lives our equal and johan believes that death is equal to all humans. Johan wanted tenma to I think not stick with his morals and show him he has a monster inside him too by killing johan. but tenma didn't kill him and revived him again and johans plan tbf fails. Oh and that flashback machine is really important for the story, increased a lot more curiousity on who johan really is. It's a mystery story, I really don't think it's for everyone and judging by the fact you have code geass on your favs which I tbh thought was really average which just shows we are different and theres no point in arguing if a show I good or bad. Peace โ๐ป Filling in some gaps is one thing, but this is just a huge violation of the "show, don't tell" principle, which bothers even me, even though I actually like to argue against it. But because Tenma didn't deal with Johan in one of the many numerous occasions when he had the chance, he is kind of indirectly responsible for the death of a full village... And he didn't need to kill him, shooting him in the leg would have worked. Or really, the show could have been over in episode 4, if he just punched Johan really hard in the head. Not risking that makes sense for a doctor, but that's just how fragile Johan's plans are. Anna was also important for the story, but she lost her agency. It's pretty ironic that of all the people the 3 main characters are the worst. Like there is Martin, he was a memorable side character, who only appeared in 4 episodes, so the author can make good stuff too... |
|
| Best anime i've ever seen yes. Not sure about "peak fiction" tho. JaniSIr said: mate i've already dealt with your arguments before. Get over it.vinnywizanime said: johan has less screentime because it makes it special when he's on the screen, yk it's just a different feeling. (quality over quantity) and how does a show become bad if a character is not developed. (character development is overrated tbh) Anna had to be traumatized after knowing her past, she was a very good perspective on understanding johan. The show has to be slow, it mixes with the shows environment well. Can't imagine monster being fast paced, that would change a lot. It's neither really. Johan is supposed to be this charismatic criminal mastermind, but without seeing how he operates it's kind of meaningless. My guess is that the author didn't know how to make a character that lives up to the hype he built up around him, so he just didn't. Also Johan just seems to have authorial knowledge, his complex plans just work, but we were never shown how he did it. Stories are inherently dynamic things, it's important what changes, and characters are generally very important in stories. Static characters aren't necessarily a bad thing, if the scope of the story is larger than life. Like Warhammer 40k characters are generally just representations of their faction, who die on short notice. If Tenma's viewpoint of no killing under any circumstances would have been justified by the end, I would have been fine with it, but he basically just allowed Johan to run amok, when shooting him in the foot could have resolved the plot. Anna was a flashback machine. That's not a full character... And you could cut down the runtime to like 50 episodes without significantly changing anything. It does not need to be fast paced, but it's wasting time to force cliffhangers at the end of the episodes. |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Monster Episode 9 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Kayro - Apr 5, 2008 |
160 |
by Finn086
»»
12 hours ago |
|
Poll: » Monster Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 )Kayro - Apr 3, 2008 |
204 |
by Finn086
»»
Today, 4:06 AM |
|
Poll: » Monster Episode 8 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Kayro - Apr 4, 2008 |
139 |
by Thyriad-oPPailov
»»
Jun 1, 9:16 PM |
|
Poll: » Monster Episode 5 Discussion ( 1 2 )Kayro - Apr 3, 2008 |
95 |
by Thyriad-oPPailov
»»
Jun 1, 5:00 PM |
|
Poll: » Monster Episode 56 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Kayro - Apr 15, 2008 |
104 |
by AdomaniaP
»»
Jun 1, 7:35 AM |