| So, I've heard this season is when Fate/Kaleid Liner gets really good. But looking at the current score, this season doesn't seem to be nearly as good as the manga. I haven't started the series yet, but I do intend to read the manga soon. I'm curious to hear about the quality of the anime and why you guys think there's a significant difference in their scores. The difference between 7.79 vs 8.34 seems considerable to me, especially when only people who enjoy it are probably watching since you have to go through multiple seasons to watch or read it. please, NO spoilers (feel free to talk about the F/SN vn though if necessary) |
FlamepriesTAug 31, 2016 6:34 PM
| I think the anime is about the same as the manga. Personally I do think 3rei is where the story gets much more interesting and Fate-esque, but I do not really think it is as good as some hype it up to be (I still like it a lot though). As for the score, the ranking for 3rei is already doing much better compared to the earlier seasons of Prisma Illya. |
| So far, like previous seasons, it has been a faithful adaptation. |
antonn said: So far, like previous seasons, it has been a faithful adaptation. Huh? I heard the second part of season 2 went full-blown yuri and had pretty much nothing to do with the manga. |
FlamepriesT said: antonn said: So far, like previous seasons, it has been a faithful adaptation. Huh? I heard the second part of season 2 went full-blown yuri and had pretty much nothing to do with the manga. You heard wrong then. I can see that being said about the OVAs though. There's plenty of yuri fanservice scenes, but those are also in the manga. |
| After the first half of ep1 which serves to tie the anime-original ending of 2wei Herz! with the 3rei (and it is surprisingly well done), 3rei anime adapts the manga with cca 95% accuracy. There are some omitted stuff, but those are mostly short minor scenes, few lines, et cetera. Nothing major is dropped nor changed. As for the score difference between manga and anime, that's because manga has just finished a certain arc which is on par (or better) with Stay Night routes. I can guarantee you that 3rei S2, which will cover that arc, will have at least 8.5 score when it airs if Silver Link delivers like they're delivering current season. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Okay, things make more sense now. I thought shit hit the fan from the get-go. Thanks for the replies guys. I'll never understand why they decided to go for such a weird theme like magical girls instead of making a solid, serious fate spin-off from the start. But whatever. |
FlamepriesT said: I'll never understand why they decided to go for such a weird theme like magical girls instead of making a solid, serious fate spin-off from the start. But whatever. Blame Nasu for that XD He introduced Kaleido Ruby in Hollow Ataraxia, and Hiroyama just... took it as an inspiration. XD |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: FlamepriesT said: I'll never understand why they decided to go for such a weird theme like magical girls instead of making a solid, serious fate spin-off from the start. But whatever. Blame Nasu for that XD He introduced Kaleido Ruby in Hollow Ataraxia, and Hiroyama just... took it as an inspiration. XD Well, yeah... I mean, what was he thinking? It's kind of funny that an idea like that was taking seriously. Nasu needs to stop slacking off and find inspiration to write another masterpiece. Yeah, like that's gonna happen... |
| Well, to be more serious, it's actually hard to make a spin off using Stay Night characters. Usually spin offs end up like Fate/Extra, Fate/Strange Fake or Fate/Apocrypha, which share the same universe but have no relation to Stay Night "trilogy" (Zero, Stay Night, Hollow Ataraxia). What Hiroyama did was actually genius - take Kiritsugu's other choice (abandoning 4th HGW) and craft a new set of rules using something existing to make up for 5th HGW (Kaleidosticks + Class Cards). |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| Its as good as the manga, even better in places. The difference between manga rating and anime rating is that manga is mainly known by nasuverse peeps, while the anime is watched by far more people who refuse to treat it seriously. |
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| There are parts that the anime either cut offed or did not deliver as well as the manga. Like the scenes were still good scenes but lacked impact due to the voice, art, or expressions. The parts that weren't adapted were pretty minor but they were pretty good moments which is quite a shame that they didn't add them. |
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| It's a faithful adaptation. Just that the parts of the manga which made it stand out so much from its predecessors don't come immediately from chapter 1. The anime is just now starting to get into the really good parts the last two episodes Honestly though they won't get to cover all of the top tier content in this season. If/when another season comes along on the other hand it should be filled with it from start to finish |
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Fleckens said: t was a really good episode but it feels pretty weird how they just stand around and talk so much in the middle of a battle, makes the pacing feel weird, which is not an issue in the manga. Except it does not as it makes sense on why they would be having that conversation right now and if you alter that you get shallow fireworks of ufoubw where nofuckingbody talks about anything and shit just explodes everywhere. Fate is about talking anyway. |
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Fai said: Fleckens said: t was a really good episode but it feels pretty weird how they just stand around and talk so much in the middle of a battle, makes the pacing feel weird, which is not an issue in the manga. Except it does not as it makes sense on why they would be having that conversation right now and if you alter that you get shallow fireworks of ufoubw where nofuckingbody talks about anything and shit just explodes everywhere. Fate is about talking anyway. Gotta save that budget. ;) Instead of talking while fighting, although it is weird but it's still preferable than just having it all fights and no talk, at this point of the story anyway, since they needed to explain some things like the current situation and why they do what they do. |
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There's no budget saving. Fate is moral conundrums and dialogues about philosophy between characters. ITs nice that at least ONE part of the franchise remembers that. zhaoyun99 said: Well, all of the budget is basically focusing on the main star of the season anyway. They fact that they didn't skip the bomb that Angelica dropped about the Archer card gave how much weight they cared her the true MC of this arc. The nonsensical overhype like that is making me cringe more than "people die when killed" meme. "true mc"...LOL At this point everything about this will be spoiled to people. Illya is the main character. 3rei is great because of the whole not because of Reminds me of people who claimed Archer was true MC of ubw. Fights are not what makes nasuverse good. |
AhenshihaelSep 2, 2016 11:21 AM
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| Oh come on @Fai, as much as I agree with you that Fate is mostly about morals and clashes of philosophies, you cannot say hype is a bad thing. Problem only arises when that hype is misfocused. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: Oh come on @Fai, as much as I agree with you that Fate is mostly about morals and clashes of philosophies, you cannot say hype is a bad thing. Problem only arises when that hype is misfocused. Hype is ALWAYS bad, because it sets up expectations. Its better to be surprised than to feel something under-delivered. I was hyped as fuck about ufoubw and it hurt so much more when it delivered a stinker focusing on all the wrong things. And yes, Hype is also bad in that it usually is misplaced and leads towards people treating something as inferior in order to hype up something else. We already experienced something like that when fate zero viewers approached ubw or rest of nasuverse expecting death games and adults because that was what people hyped up about FZ. Remember how Gigguk hyped up Fate Zero for "all the fighting" and then we had bunch of shonen people in the episode threads crying that everybody just sits and talks for an entire episode in the show? Or with people who got hyped up about Archer and ended up being spoiled on his identity or misunderstanding ubw conflict and cheering for the wrong guy. With 3rei I have seen this so many times in many fandoms - people hyping something up to the point of spoiling it, till all the surprise is drained. And the people who are new start treating everything else as "something to get through to get to it. Hell remember the "Hey HF is like Fate Zero and is the true route so just get through the other two to get to the good stuff" nonsense argument people use? We already had this with 2wei when |
AhenshihaelSep 2, 2016 11:41 AM
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| Just to make things clear, it's not like I'll be skipping the manga. In fact, I'll be reading it first. The thing is, I'll be reading the manga in Japanese, but I haven't gotten to the level I can easily read a whole volume in a sitting yet. Hopefully things will be different by the time I finish reading Shingeki no Kyojin, but it'll still be a time consuming endeavor so it's a good idea to know what I'm getting into in the first place. |
Fai said: Fights are not what makes nasuverse good. Agreed, although, I wholeheartedly agree with the hype thing tho. Hype isn't bad but people overhype what's to come to the point that they might as well have spoiled the surprise lol |
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DodeDagon said: Fai said: Fights are not what makes nasuverse good. Agreed, although, I wholeheartedly agree with the hype thing tho. Hype isn't bad but people overhype what's to come to the point that they might as well have spoiled the surprise lol And I agree with the spoiler. Its certainly some of the best written prillya material Alas that is not what people are hyping and the like. |
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