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Mar 23, 2016 1:02 AM

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Huh, that monster or animal hybrid or whatever looked really weird. At least it's defeated so I guess there's some hope?

Mar 23, 2016 9:24 AM

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Ok, but everyone died?, only her survived?

Mar 23, 2016 10:30 AM

taynis

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Everybody is dead. Ok then.

Mar 24, 2016 1:19 PM

Myuro

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FlareZero said:
Ok, but everyone died?, only her survived?

It's a bit of a spoiler if you haven't read Gantz,

Cos'è sta merda?

Mar 25, 2016 6:45 AM

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NeverStrikes said:
I start getting into this slowly.
I'm sure, that it can't surpass Gantz itself, but let's hope for a decent series at least

A decent series... you're a hopeless optimist, aren't you. I'm trying to give Oku the benefit of the doubt, but I can't help noticing how the writing keeps deteriorating with every single chapter. "This is bad." "I want to eat ramen one more time." Yeah okay, mate...

I've just reread the first chapters of Gantz and Gantz:G back to back, and if you think this has any solid chance to become a decent series you should probably do the same. So far the G has been exact same story shamelessly piggybacking on the world established by the original, except this time the characters have zero personality to them, and every dialogue feels like it's been written by a complete amateur. I mean, if having "a completely new Gantz story" with a character named Kei Kurona hasn't tripped the literary impotency flag in your head, I don't know what would.

In the original Gantz, we're immediately presented with a Holden Caulfield-like main character with a strong personality and a conflicted moral code, and his childhood friend who is pretty much his inverse: fit on the outside and with a strong sense of morals, but nowhere near having the bravery and reckless abandon of his friend he admires so much. The character dynamics between them are immediately visible and very realistic. Kei Kurono's story arc starts with him being a self-centered outsider, a person who once was at terms with oneself but ended up giving up on the society and its values; as the story goes, he experiences loss, true love, a sense of friendship and camaraderie, the will to protect his loved ones with his own life, and he reestablishes his self-respect and the will to live. He starts with nothing and ends with everything.

Fast-forward to Gantz:G. The main character immediately shows herself to be selfless and heroic, eager to show her pantsu to reader-kun in her overbearing selflessness. She doesn't have any kind of visible character conflict that would make her remotely interesting. She's not much of an outsider among her peers, she doesn't have an open conflict with society, and compared to Kurono she doesn't look like she's starting her way at the bottom of the ladder. She's basically a cookie-cutter protagonist, a flat cardboard cutout given a name of a character that is orders of magnitude deeper.

I'll probably keep reading this a while longer because I like to believe in miracles, but this work has already tripped all the loser flags in my book. I don't expect anything good out of it by this point. IMO mr. Oku should just do some contract work for a good writer for a story that has nothing to do with Gantz. No need to taint its legacy any further.

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Mar 25, 2016 8:12 AM

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Go read Medalist

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I think you're reading too deep into what I'm saying. Gantz:G is not a bad manga and I don't hate it. It's just mediocre compared to the potency of the original work and, so far, is poorly written in general. It's undoubtedly guilty of self-plagiarism and piggybacking upon an established world and its premise. But I like that premise and I don't want to be unduly harsh in my rating simply because the writing isn't as good as it was a decade ago—but I will drop it to 6 or lower if it keeps up being as mediocre as it is. Note that I usually don't keep reading anything I rate 5 or less unless it's a one-shot.

That being said, my main beef with Gantz:G is that it claims to be "shocking and fresh" but is anything but: it's very much a case of the proverbial old dog and new tricks; a piece of a birthday cake that, while retaining some of the taste, has long gone stale. I can't even say I'm disappointed because every side-story and adaptation of Gantz so far has already been a rather hopeless cash grab for the most part (the TV anime's second season kind of put itself on track by the end. A different track, yes—but it managed to save its face at least), and the original story's final few chapters felt rather unrealistic and unsatisfying in many ways (that nonchalant escape from the orbit... yeah). Which is why Oku should have let the world rest and focused on Inuyashiki or whatever he's been doing since the end of Gantz.

You've mentioned Attack on Titan. There's a prequel to it (endorsed but non-canon as far as I know) called Before the Fall. Similarly to the situation with Gantz, I started reading it because I liked the world of SnK. The first few chapters felt pretty terrible as they were just reciting every bad manga/anime trope out there, and seeing it in the well-established setting of SnK, relatively free of the bad cliche, was doubly insulting. I was on the verge of dropping it, but decided to humor it for a few more chapters. And then some more cast/character development had occurred and it somehow got rid of some of the badness and became alright. I'm not dropping Gantz:G because I'm hoping a similar thing will happen to it.

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Mar 25, 2016 8:14 PM

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The Beast Alien was way more awesome than I expected. I loved this chapter but seriously the pacing totally felt off. Kurona is as badass as Kurono without even surviving a single mission. The two veterans might as well be chump noobs. & was it just me or was the time lag on the guns nil here? My major disappointment was with how the Beast Alien died off with one shot but could rip threw suits like paper. Talk about anticlimactic...

Aug 25, 2016 3:41 AM

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It feels quite weird seeing that Nishi doppelganger actually acting like a decent human being. Go back to being a psychotic chuunibyou dude!

Jun 12, 2017 5:26 AM

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Cool "Lion"!!! xD
Will it be the end of the mission? How many comeback to the room? :/

Jan 14, 2018 3:45 AM

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That's some nasty lion.

It's a shame the chicks group died earlier hahaha

Dec 13, 2021 2:35 AM

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Lu_Aza

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I feel like it's a joke at this point to have the suits offer essentially no protection anymore. One hit is all it takes to take off limbs or just bisect you.

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